Friedman: Ottawa in on every conversation with a goalie + Toronto interested in Markstrom

[stempniaksen]

Markstrom + Mangiapane + #9OV + #41OV

for

Chychrun + Korpisalo + R.Jarventie + #7OV + #25OV

 

[jbeck5]

Please stop just looking up HockeyDB. Ask any Flames fan how impressive Markstrom was this season. In January there was talk of the Vezina if Calgary held onto the Wild Card.

Here are some stats:
For STARTING goalies: 1500mins+ this year.

Markstrom: #1 in HDSV%
Lowest shot average distance
Top 10 in rushed against

This guy was getting absolutely shelled with high danger chances against, and led the league in stopping them. Like, you pick up Markstrom, if you're in a competition window, you're adding a top 5-10 goalie in the NHL. If you're Calgary, and your defensive group has 4 guys most people have never heard of and you're entering a rebuild... yeah, this guys numbers aren't going to jump off the page.

My experience is that the really good goalies still post good numbers despite being on shitty teams. That means shitty teams cannot be used as an excuse. On shitty teams, you can let it 3 goals on 45 shots every game and still have amazing save percentages.

Look at Luongo on Florida. He was regarded as a top goalie and Florida was regarded as shit.

He put up:

.920
.915
.918
.931
.914

Despite never having a winning season.


In those same years, lalime, a very meh goalie, playing on a stacked Ottawa team would put up:

.905
.914
.903
.911
.905

So a good goalie was able to show much better save percentage than a lesser goalie on a stacked team.

Take Craig Anderson. Ottawa was average at best...some would say below average team. This team was almost always outshot game in and game out. Often a minus team at the end of the year.

But Anderson posted these save percentages for Ottawa:

.939
.913
.941
.911
.923
.916
.926

Being on a shitty team can often help goalies have high save percentages...or at the very least, doesn't harm them much.

And he's 34-35...I'm sure it's likely down hill from here.

It's a lot rarer for goalies to still be stars at 37-38-39. You used to see it all the time with guys like cujo or belfour or Brodeur or Roy posting great numbers at 37. Now you only see 1 or 2 good goalies at those ages.

 

[GCK]

Markstrom + Mangiapane + #9OV + #41OV

for

Chychrun + Korpisalo + R.Jarventie + #7OV + #25OV

Take out Mangiapane and 41OA.

Take out Jarventie and either Chychrun or 25OA.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

If Ottawa really wants Markstrom. Then Markstrom, Pelletier and Mangiapane for Tkachuk.

 

[Kegs]

If Ottawa really wants Markstrom. Then Markstrom, Pelletier and Mangiapane for Tkachuk.

Keep dreaming.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Ya, I think Markstrom will be moved soon.
Who's upping their offer?

 

[Volica]

I really can't believe how many clueless fans there are out there

Just looking at this thread, it's full of'em.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

34 year old goalie coming off .892 and .905 seasons and making 6 mil per year. What can go wrong?

 

[RunItBackAgain]

34 year old goalie coming off .892 and .905 seasons and making 6 mil per year. What can go wrong?

For two years with some retention? Not much.

And if you’re just looking at stats, which I know you are, then go on.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

It's near impossible to gage how good or bad Markstrom is based on this thread.

CGY fans want everything from TOR's 1st to Tkachuck(OTT) for Markstrom.

So he's an average goalie who coincidentally would fetch a 1st or a star player?!

 

[Bounces R Way]

What's so solid about Markstrom who's been pretty up and down in his career with periods of good play and then periods of not so good play. Not so different from a guy like Samsonov except costlier and older and both probably aren't able to get you through 4 rounds of playoffs.

Since the start of the 2016 season there has been only 5 goalies to play 400+ games: Vasilevskiy, Hellebuyck, Gibson, Bobrovsky, and Jacob Markstrom. Not so different from a guy like Samsonov , that guy was literally unplayable for a long stretch of this season. Marky is likely to get some Vezina votes this year and finished 2nd for that award just a couple years ago. Not so different lol

Honestly, that's why fans don't love paying out the wazoo for non elite goalies

I get that, and to a certain extent they're probably correct not wanting to pony up a big price for a goalie. But teams that have elite goalies tend to hang on to them, they don't get traded very often. Fans don't run the team either, GMs know they have a finite amount of time to put together a winner.

There's a very specific reason there are multiple GMs looking to acquire Marky or Ullmark or Saros, even if theoretically they could get the same production from a cheaper younger goalie. That reason is stability in net. Nothing hamstrings a team like shaky tending, could Akira Schmid or Joseph Woll or Devon Levi or whoever come out of no where to be solid consistent starters next season? Sure maybe. I wouldn't bet my job on it tho.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

The chances of markstrom repeating his numbers last season is very slim to none. We likely see a decline from here until he retires.

 

[horner]

Toronto interested in Markstrom? Jesus Christ... Why not just re-ink Marner if the plan is to waste money and cap space?

We need defenseman

 

[Bond]

I just want the Markstrom trade to be done so everyone can move on lol

 

[GCK]

It's near impossible to gage how good or bad Markstrom is based on this thread.

CGY fans want everything from TOR's 1st to Tkachuck(OTT) for Markstrom.

So he's an average goalie who coincidentally would fetch a 1st or a star player?!

No one said he’s an average goalie, he is an average starter. He’s definitely worth 23OA to the leafs with some retention.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

In a theoretical trade between Ott & CGY, Korp will likely have to be swapped too.
That is an ugly contract though, so if this is to happen Ott would have to give something good up.
7th OA would be the only way this could happen IMO

 

[mydnyte]

Korpisalo + Boston's 1st or Ottawa's 2nd for Binnington?

the bolded isnt enough for someone to take on the 4 years left on his contract even if you change the OR to an AND.
also, forget about getting a player in return that will ever play a game in the nhl.

/edit
thinking about it more, I was harsh, your package could return at least 1 player
so, realistically, for you:
Korpisalo + Boston's 1st or Ottawa's 2nd for Mrazek ...shaves 2 years off and a cheaper cap hit for likely similar goaltending.

​

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Plenty of players have families that have children during the year and their play doesn't always flop. He's an older guy and some guys fall sooner than you expect.

If it was one down year you'd have more of a power not, but two is the start of a trend.

Teams may still have interest in the guy but the Flames are fighting an uphill battle. Trying to trade him I think

Plenty of players do have children but the first is always the most stressful because you have no idea what you are doing and the best advise you can get is "you just have to experience it."

It was just 1 down year, where was the 2nd?

 

[GCK]

In a theoretical trade between Ott & CGY, Korp will likely have to be swapped too.
That is an ugly contract though, so if this is to happen Ott would have to give something good up.
7th OA would be the only way this could happen IMO

Pass. I think the Sens are aware that Korpisalo isn’t moving this year.

 

[Bond]

It's near impossible to gage how good or bad Markstrom is based on this thread.

CGY fans want everything from TOR's 1st to Tkachuck(OTT) for Markstrom.

So he's an average goalie who coincidentally would fetch a 1st or a star player?!

I am expecting a late 1st but some Flames fans think he is worth the 10th overall in some kind of package, Markstrom at 50% + 28th for the 10th has been proposed a few times. Anyone expecting the 10th overall will be disappointed.

 

[FlameChampion]

I just don’t see Markstrom working out for Ottawa. I think its a bad deal for them.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

the bolded isnt enough for someone to take on the 4 years left on his contract even if you change the OR to an AND.
also, forget about getting a player in return that will ever play a game in the nhl.

/edit
thinking about it more, I was harsh, your package could return at least 1 player
so, realistically, for you:
Korpisalo + Boston's 1st or Ottawa's 2nd for Mrazek ...shaves 2 years off and a cheaper cap hit for likely similar goaltending.

​

You like Maseratis, what do you know?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I am expecting a late 1st but some Flames fans think he is worth the 10th overall in some kind of package, Markstrom at 50% + 28th for the 10th has been proposed a few times. Anyone expecting the 10th overall will be disappointed.

I mean if the math is there then sure. If Markstrom at 50% is worth about 23rd OA then Markstrom (50%) + #28 is pretty close to #10. Using PuckPedia #10 = 34.22, whereas #23 + #28 = 28.51 (a difference of about a 2nd. Using the Athletic's GSVA chart #10 has a GSVA of 6.0 and #28 has a GSVA of 3.1 so according to that all it would take to move up is #30.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

I mean if the math is there then sure. If Markstrom at 50% is worth about 23rd OA then Markstrom (50%) + #28 is pretty close to #10. Using PuckPedia #10 = 34.22, whereas #23 + #28 = 28.51 (a difference of about a 2nd. Using the Athletic's GSVA chart #10 has a GSVA of 6.0 and #28 has a GSVA of 3.1 so according to that all it would take to move up is #30.

Korpisalo and Boston's 1st. Lets make a deal.