You’re debating it with yourself lol. No one else is. It’s not hard to follow along someone ranting to themselves, it’s just not interesting.
I don’t care what he is in relation to Allen. He isn’t “elite” by any description grounded in reality.
Friedman: Ottawa in on every conversation with a goalie + Toronto interested in Markstrom
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I don’t care what he is in relation to Allen. He isn’t “elite” by any description grounded in reality.
CanadienShark
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I doubt it. I think Calgary fans are already resigned that he won't get a good return and the last chance to get one was the deadline. He's old and nothing special.
Forge
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Dreger just said like a week ago that Fitz didn't put that pick on the table during the season
The truth is somewhere in the middle of the 2 valuations here. Markstrom will definitely bring back more than the 2nd round pick some are predicting and won't bring back the 10OA pick some a predicting. A 1st in the late teens or early 20s is the value he should have. Those saying he's not a good goalie are pretty ignorant, but he's not a YOUNG good goalie. I think only young good goalies have the value of a top 10 pick.
All we know is a pick was on the table, could have been a 2nd or a 25 1st. Even if it was the 24 1st it would have been protected.
Forge
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If they retain 50%, which is something I've thought they wouldn't do, that would basically value Markstrom at like pick 16/17 with the retention worth about pick 28/29 per Puckpedia if I remember right. I might want something else in that situation, but that's a clear point of negotiation because I don't love Markstrom at pick 16/17 value, but it's a fairly thin hair to split. I'm probably not going too crazy over pick 16/17 value if I think 23 is a fair ask on Marky, if you know what I mean.
I wouldn't blow a top 10 pick on the player + retention personally (you're just spending that money on over priced UFAs at that juncture since you also just moved your primary piece to improve your team through trade), but like I said with regards to Markstrom + 28 for 10, on paper you can make this work.
Yup, I think it will shake out to be Jersey's 25 protected 1st. Less if Markstrom is Devils or bust and more if there are three to four teams that are viable options.
This is a well thought out post. I agree with it. Teens to early 20s was my thought with retention. I don't think there's a scenario where moving him nets us 10OA. Maybe something weird like Markstrom + Coronato makes it fair value, but I don't see NJ needing a young forward like Coronato.
I've been following these trade rumors closely and this is just false. How about instead of tossing out baseless insults, you go ahead and show everyone where it's been shown the pick was on the table, let alone with Holtz as well.
Also, even if the pick were to have been on the table at some point - there's a difference between offering a 2024 1st round pick when the season is ongoing and the asset you're acquiring with it is presumably going to make the pick worse (particularly if it propels a team into the playoffs) and now knowing that it is a 10th overall pick in the draft. Not to mention, NJ would've gotten Markstrom for up to 3 playoff runs at the TDL versus 2 this offseason, which further reduces his value.
Again, there is absolutely no chance #10 overall is going to Calgary in a deal for Markstrom.
I mostly agree and completely agree with the logic. Markstrom had more value to the Devils during the season then he does now. We would have gotten more at that time. (Thanks again for more franchise altering stupidity Murray). There was a chance the Devils could make the playoffs still then and even if not, the pick is likely in the 13-16 range instead of 10th.
That said, I would amend your last sentence to there's very little chance that pick goes to Calgary for just Markstrom. I do think there's a chance it goes to Calgary for Markstrom + something. I just don't know what the something would be.
Most on here are going strictly off numbers. Very few know how good Markstrom is.
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Most people are going off the number 34. They all know how old he is. Will be 35 by the time the next playoffs start. Playoffs his team probably won’t be in because their goalie is Jacob Markstrom.
I'm sure Markstrom is very good and Flames fans are more aware of that being able to watch him night in and night out. At the very least though, the guy has to be considered inconsistent.
He had a whole bad year in 2022-2023. Not sure what else you'd call a 2.92 GAA & .892 SV%.
He was seemingly great through much of this season...
...but completely cratered down the stretch...
Even his last two playoff series in 2022 are polar opposites - incredible versus Dallas, horrible versus Edmonton.
Yet fans of other teams are seemingly supposed to only focus on the highs of his play and ignore the lows plus the fact that given his age his best days are likely behind him.
His drop at the end of the year has been explained over and over, I'm not going to bother to repeat it because you obviously have made up your mind.
Stats don't tell the strory.
Stats don't tell the strory.
I would love to see a big deal Leafs/Flames
Anderssen
Markstrom
Leafs 1rst
Woll
Minten
Robertson
Liljegren
Anderssen
Markstrom
Leafs 1rst
Woll
Minten
Robertson
Liljegren
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Most know how good he was but this is a business where fans play GM. Markstrom has been meh for a season or two now and his last two contract years are 34-36 at $6M AAV. Even knowing that Markstrom still has some potential, you would also play this angle if you were not a Flames fan looking for a goalie.
Of course teams want to see what he can do on their team and there are several teams looking for a goalie upgrade. This might increase the price (supply/demand) but teams will circle around like vultures looking to buy low. By low is difficult in this situation because there are 3+ teams in on him.
If the Flames offer 50% retention, I do expect the return to be very good.
Shane Diesel
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Spend enough time on HF and you'll read the same stuff from every single fan base.
Goaltenders are never to blame for their poor performances and the stats are all too subjective to trust. Thankfully, there isn't a place on Earth you can find a greater concentration of goaltending experts than HF to set us all straight.
What was the excuse again? Was he disappointed that he wasn't traded? Sad that other players were shipped out? 10 straight games of sub-.900 goaltending to close out the year, but we're just supposed to completely ignore that and assume he reverts back to the good part of the season? Oh yeah, and completely discount the prior year as well?
