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Speculation: Nylander Discussion - Part IV

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KlefDown said:
not a problem but definitely a challenge.
you're going to have to sign Matthews, Marner and Gardiner next offseason. even if Gardiner only gets a standard raise, that's still 4.5 - 5m for him
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I'm guessing Gardiner is sent packing. Our LHD is still pretty decent without him, and hopefully Liljegren can step into a top 4 role next season. That still leaves us with a top pairing hole on RHD. Maybe Zaitsev can step up?

Reilly - Zaitsev
Dermott - Liljegren
Borgman/Hainsey - Ozhiganov
Rosen - Holl
Marincin
 
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Whileee said:
Agents work on commission. They have a direct financial incentive to go for the best deal possible, rather than "hometown discounts". Let's be honest, $11 million isn't much of a discount for Tavares.
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San Jose offered 13+ x 7, Tavares left anywhere between 7-15 million on the table to come to Toronto. Sure it's not as big of a discount on cap hit as Kucherov but it's not nothing.
 
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Teams hate having players under RFA. All the power is in the players hands. As evidenced by the dozens of contracts that RFA players have been able to take advantage of......
 
leaffaninvancouver said:
It is when you're offered more. Anything under the max offer another team gave you is a discount. Tavares is the best free agent in at least a decade he could have gotten a lot more money. Montreal would have backed up a brinks truck on his lawn.
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I think people make too much about the discount stuff. Most players dont really go for it unless they know they are going to a good team/organization. Doesnt really do much good for you to do it for a crap organization. Potential for being traded is greater on those teams. Good teams typically dont trade good players. Bad teams will if they are rebuilding.
 
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Whileee said:
Agents work on commission. They have a direct financial incentive to go for the best deal possible, rather than "hometown discounts". Let's be honest, $11 million isn't much of a discount for Tavares.
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ummm tavs walked away from a 8th year at 11m from NYI , so thats a 11 million dollar hair cut right there.

and if the 13m SJ rumors are true, welp case closed. thats 14m left on the table.
 
Faltorvo said:
ummm tavs walked away from a 8th year at 11m from NYI , so thats a 11 million dollar hair cut right there.

and if the 13m SJ rumors are true, welp case closed. thats 14m left on the table.
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Given SJ does not have that much capspace I doubt it.

As for his 8th year he didn't lose 11 million. If he plays he'll earn something on a new deal, less than 11 but something.

He probably makes most in TO with advertisements and all.
 
TorontoTrades said:
Tavares getting a 500k raise or something? on top of that all of them are in one position?

this post is a mess.
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Oops, yeah 11. One position being forward. Yes, Nylander is a W/C but still that's a lot tied up to 3 Cs and one winger with no D or G included.

500k won't change much though...lets be honest. Also, mistake on my part, it's 37 mil.
 
Faltorvo said:
ummm tavs walked away from a 8th year at 11m from NYI , so thats a 11 million dollar hair cut right there.

and if the 13m SJ rumors are true, welp case closed. thats 14m left on the table.
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He's the 2nd highest paid player in the NHL. 13M is just a rumor, I think it's highly dubious.

I'm sure he could have made a bit more AAV somewhere else (maybe as much as 10% more), but his salary isn't what I call a "discount".

A "discount" is Hedman at 7.9M (8 years). Or Scheifele at 6.1M (8 years). Those types of contracts give a team great value.

Getting Tavares as a UFA was a big thing for the Leafs, but his contract isn't tremendous value in the whole scheme of things.
 
Since season has started and Leafs already played 1 game, i wouldn't give Nylander a cent over 6.5M. Not a chance he gets Pastrnak money. I'm fine with him sitting out the season and playing in europe, we have enough depth. Better than than signing him to big contract and then Matthews and Marner to even bigger ones. I'll be really disappointed if he gets 7M.
 
Whileee said:
He's the 2nd highest paid player in the NHL. 13M is just a rumor, I think it's highly dubious.

I'm sure he could have made a bit more AAV somewhere else (maybe as much as 10% more), but his salary isn't what I call a "discount".

A "discount" is Hedman at 7.9M (8 years). Or Scheifele at 6.1M (8 years). Those types of contracts give a team great value.

Getting Tavares as a UFA was a big thing for the Leafs, but his contract isn't tremendous value in the whole scheme of things.
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It's easier to pay a little less with more term, those are good contracts but both would be higher on a 7 year deal.
 
Breakers said:
ummm No he didn't
He was coming off a sophomore year. That was market
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RFA contracts were also different then and the standard was that they were quite a bit less money than UFA.

Recent trend has GMs locking up high end RFAs (McD, Eichel) to long, big money contracts.

Either way, Matthews has the same agent as McDavid. He'll be fine.
 
Whileee said:
He's the 2nd highest paid player in the NHL. 13M is just a rumor, I think it's highly dubious.

I'm sure he could have made a bit more AAV somewhere else (maybe as much as 10% more), but his salary isn't what I call a "discount".

A "discount" is Hedman at 7.9M (8 years). Or Scheifele at 6.1M (8 years). Those types of contracts give a team great value.

Getting Tavares as a UFA was a big thing for the Leafs, but his contract isn't tremendous value in the whole scheme of things.
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you are adding words to my stance and i don't appreciate that one little bit , you need to make a point ,fine, don't change what i said to make your pov fit.

i never even hinted "tremendous value"

what his "salary" is means NOTHING , i don't give a damn how much our billion dollar franchise pays him or how , i care what his cap hit is, full stop.

and 11m per is fair and fine with me.

as for schiefele , he inked up before he broke out into the star that he is.

Norris Hedman different story , some franchises have a huge advantage over others, thanks to tax laws, something i expect the next lock out will address.
 
LyricalLyricist said:
Tavares at 11
Matthews at 11
Marner at 8
Nylander at 7

37 on 4 players in one position. Ouch. Wonder if they can make it work long term.
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Let's say the cap next season is $82.5m (+$3m). $37m of that is 44.8% of the cap.

Washington's four-highest in 17-18 came to 40.2%. Their top-5 came to 47.8%.
Pittsburgh's four-highest in 16-17 came to 44.2%. Their top-5 came to 52.1%.
Pittsburgh's four-highest in 15-16 came to 45.2%. Their top-5 came to 53.2%.

It's manageable.

Anyone who thinks the Leafs will not move heaven and earth before touching their Big 4 is out of touch. So we lose Brown and Hyman to make it work? It's not going to fold the franchise.
 
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Faltorvo said:
you are adding words to my stance and i don't appreciate that one little bit , you need to make a point ,fine, don't change what i said to make your pov fit.

i never even hinted "tremendous value"

what his "salary" is means NOTHING , i don't give a damn how much our billion dollar franchise pays him or how , i care what his cap hit is, full stop.

and 11m per is fair and fine with me.

as for schiefele , he inked up before he broke out into the star that he is.

Norris Hedman different story , some franchises have a huge advantage over others, thanks to tax laws, something i expect the next lock out will address.
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He wasn't talking about salary, he was talking average salary which is cap. If we go by salary Tavares makes 15.25 this season. He meant cap.
 
hyduK said:
RFA contracts were also different then and the standard was that they were quite a bit less money than UFA.

Recent trend has GMs locking up high end RFAs (McD, Eichel) to long, big money contracts.

Either way, Matthews has the same agent as McDavid. He'll be fine.
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I'm just saying if you look at contracts around that time, he didn't take a discount with the islanders.
he had 2 years under his belt and decided to negotiate off of a 54 point year and 67 point year.
That was the market
 
Sorry but too biz to parse 4 threads...

do we have a consensus yet on what TOR wants from NYR that NY is willing to pay?

Is there any consensus as to other team offers?

thanks much
 
Duke Silver said:
Let's say the cap next season is $82.5m (+$3m). $37m of that is 44.8% of the cap.

Washington's four-highest in 17-18 came to 40.2%. Their top-5 came to 47.8%.
Pittsburgh's four-highest in 16-17 came to 44.2%. Their top-5 came to 52.1%.
Pittsburgh's four-highest in 15-16 came to 45.2%. Their top-5 came to 53.2%.

It's manageable.

Anyone who thinks the Leafs will not move heaven and earth before touching their Big 4 is out of touch. So we lose Brown and Hyman to compensate? Not a big deal.
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As is the leafs top 5 would come in at around 52% as well...assuming 82.5 mil

The problem is that top 4/5 would all be forwards. It's not spread out.
 
Duke Silver said:
Let's say the cap next season is $82.5m (+$3m). $37m of that is 44.8% of the cap.

Washington's four-highest in 17-18 came to 40.2%. Their top-5 came to 47.8%.
Pittsburgh's four-highest in 16-17 came to 44.2%. Their top-5 came to 52.1%.
Pittsburgh's four-highest in 15-16 came to 45.2%. Their top-5 came to 53.2%.

It's manageable.

Anyone who thinks the Leafs will not move heaven and earth before touching their Big 4 is out of touch. So we lose Brown and Hyman to make it work? It's not going to fold the franchise.
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Well the Marleau contract is already hindering your cap for next season and that's the FIRST year of your big-4 getting big money. There's a reason why Dubas is playing hard ball with Willy right now. He simply cannot afford to overpay. The next 8-10 years will be hard to manage for the Leafs. It's just the reality of having a lot of great players.

Kadri and Zaitsev will likely be traded in the next year or two out of necessity.
 
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