Speculation: Nylander Discussion - Part IV
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BAM
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LOL that's rich considering the fact that I've seen you and countless Oiler fans do the same thing regarding the Leafs.
And I was making the comparison in where you Oilers fans already have Bouchard penciled in as a saviour for the defense and yet asked that the Leafs can't expect Liljegren-Sandin to come in next year and make an impact. Can't have it both ways.
Of course, never said leafs are doomed. I also don't think looking at teams with generational level talents is fair either.
A lot of teams are top heavy I bet and don't compete. It's just a magic formula. It can work surely but I think they need to upgrade their D.
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And McDavid didn't take a discount at 12.5.
You have no idea what Marner and Matthews will get, why pretend to know otherwise.
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HF " There's too much Matthews talk on this site"
Also HF " This Nylander thread needs more Matthews talk"
Also HF " This Nylander thread needs more Matthews talk"
Matthews > JT > Marner > Nylander
If he is going to complain over a couple hundred $$$ then maybe Toronto only has 3 studs + whatever we get for the crying bitch in a trade
I'm not going to worry about this till the middle of November
If he is going to complain over a couple hundred $$$ then maybe Toronto only has 3 studs + whatever we get for the crying bitch in a trade
I'm not going to worry about this till the middle of November
Duke Silver
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I'm just looking at the last 3 cup winners.
I think we all know the Leafs need to upgrade their D. Some pretty good options on the way through our system, but yes, need to add a top-4 RHD.
As the cap continues to go up, we'll be less fussed about being top heavy and have more room to sign impact defenders.
They also didn’t qualify a bunch in time which inflated the market for them. It’s not as simple as that.
I said I am not at all convinced that SJ offered 13m. That would be a gross overpayment.
As has been noted before, he can almost certainly recoup most if not all of the $11 million he "left on the table" through enhanced endorsement income in Toronto.
Still, from a franchise perspective, it was a big thing to acquire him as. UFA, even if they are paying a bit higher than he probably merits of you analyze from the perspective of value for money. It could have been worse, but it will still create a strain in putting together a top end roster over the course of his contract. In essence, it's one of the reasons that the Leafs have to take a hard line with Nylander.
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I would agree, however nobody is expecting Liljegren-Sandin to be a top pairing D-man, they are on track to be quality top 4 defensemen however which that alone helps the Leafs tremendously.
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the speculation of Nylander wanting something approaching $8 mil per season has been thrown around plenty but has his agent actually been quoted on the demand? I imagine the discount the Leafs are asking for is on the smaller side for Nylander. I can’t inagine both sides agree he is a $6 mil player as an RFA and the Leafs are offering $4.5.
Has there been any responsible reporting on the gap between the player and the team? Nylander is a great player and I’m sure Leaf management recognizes that. Hard to say who is being unreasonable without knowing the positions of the two sides and the comps each are using.
Has there been any responsible reporting on the gap between the player and the team? Nylander is a great player and I’m sure Leaf management recognizes that. Hard to say who is being unreasonable without knowing the positions of the two sides and the comps each are using.
Nizdizzle
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The only numbers we've really got is Dreger said that he believes Nylander hasn't moved from $8.5-mill. Other than that, it has basically been speculation from Mirtle and the Athletic that the two sides would settle around $6.5 (but I don't believe they have sources, that is just their guess).
Duke Silver
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Their cap circumvention helped a lot too.
Poor Hossa.
I hope his rash has cleared up.
Pocket Hercules
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This. If Gross thinks he can win this game of chicken with Leafs management, he has another thing coming. While it would be nice to have Willy in our lineup, his presence would be a luxury at this point. In the end, the Leafs will get Willy signed at the number they want or he's going to remain in Sweden for a very long time.
Edmonton believes it.You think a defense core of:
#1 - #5
#5 - #4
Rookie - Rookie
Can compete for the cup?
Pocket Hercules
Business in the front, party in the back.
You think a defense core of:
#1 - #5
#5 - #4
Rookie - Rookie
Can compete for the cup?
Pittsburgh's D wasn't too far off from that when they last won the cup.
Because of the cap (not to mention the budget) every time a player asks for and gets an enormous contract he makes it tougher for his teammates to get what they deserve. That situation often compels the GM to trade or waive players he would like to keep but can't afford. Nylander may not understand that conundrum.
Dreger started it. Then he sort of walked it back and clarified that he was just giving his opinion of where Nylander's camp would start, not insider info. And now he's back saying he thinks the ask is still at $8+ million. Other insiders have said multiple times that the there's a pretty strong cone of silence around the negotiations.
Basically it's impossible to tell who knows what and what numbers are legit.
Hainsey's deal is up next summer and I doubt he's back. He's picking up where he left off at the end of last season. Hasn't looked good since the first half of 2017-18. Maybe they bring him back on a cheap deal to play on the third pair (where I expect him to be by game ~40 this season) but not likely since we have tons of 3rd pair LD options.
Babcock and Dubas have both sounded pretty interested in bringing Gardiner back. That's probably one of the biggest factors in the Nylander deal. Nylander around $6 million means a pretty good chance we get Gardiner back.
I am sure Nylander and his agent understands completely. The excess dollars of what Nylander hopes to get vs what he does sign for is going to Marner and Matthews. I am sure he sees himself as important as those two and should be compensated accordingly.
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