CamPopplestone
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If the Leafs are trying to get Nylander at 6, I understand his frustration after seeing a guy like Kane get 7
Speculation: Nylander Discussion - Part IV
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Drew311
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Bu...but Pittsburgh had the best center depth in the leag.....oh right.
there is a difference between an RFA signing his second deal and a UFA signing. I think the issue is more Nylander is using Draisaitl as a comparable and the leafs are using wingers like Pastrnak and Ehlers.
Other bad contracts/=the standard.
Furthermore, if this is about money, Toronto is the best place to make money as a Hockey player.
It's 100% on him to seek it out, he can't expect management to torpedo the Leafs long term chances so as a 25 year old he can have an extra 5-6 million dollars, when he could EASILY get that money through sponsorships and advertisements, something that other franchises can't offer.
Hunter368
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Nylander at 6 million is dumb, not even a reasonable offer based on comparables.
Nylander asking 8.5 million is dumb, he’s trying to hit a grand slam and hasn’t earned that money.
Reasonable deal for both sides is 7 years at 6.5 - 7.0 at the max. IMO
Uh huh..
Aaaand from the Panthers side of this. I think we'll be putting in for a restraining order against the Leafs if they call us with this thing.
BAM
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Zaitsev and Hainsey are both top 4 defensemen, not 5's. Zaitsev had a rough season last year but was good in his rookie year (top 4 caliber).You think a defense core of:
#1 - #5
#5 - #4
Rookie - Rookie
Can compete for the cup?
And those rookies look like top 4 caliber defensemen in as little as a year, so it's really
#1 - #4
#4 - # 4
top 4 upside - top 4 upside.
Plenty of teams have a worse defense, however that defense listed above are all highly mobile save for Hainsey and with the offense the Leafs have, all they need to worry about is getting the puck up to the forwards and let them do their thing.
This is the Pens defense corps this season:
Riikola - Letang
Maatta - Johnson
Oleksiak - Schultz
...
I'd rather have the Leafs defense than that, Leafs will be fine defensively, for all the talk about their bad defense, they were 11th in GA last year, unlike the Oilers who were bottom 5 despite all their top 4 defensemen that we hear about lmao.
I am not the biggest Nylander fan but anytime you can get 1 bigger part for 2 lesser parts, chances are the side that gets the 1 player wins. Petrovic and Miller are both solid defensemen but neither are world beaters
FourRings
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I love how in this thread Leaf fans are falling all over each other explaining how Matthews won't get paid as well as McDavid because McDavid is "such a better player", yet in any other thread Matthews is at least equally as talented as McDavid.
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Full disclosure before I get called a bitter Islander fan by the majority of the GTA: Matthews is NOT anywhere near McDavid's level, he CAN command a contract of equal or greater value than Eichel but I don't think he will hold the Leafs over a barrel; in fact, I think he will take a small discount to try and keep the core of the team intact for as long as possible, after which he will be named Captain of TML.
With that being said, f*** John Tavares and the Toronto Maple Leafs
EDIT:
Full disclosure before I get called a bitter Islander fan by the majority of the GTA: Matthews is NOT anywhere near McDavid's level, he CAN command a contract of equal or greater value than Eichel but I don't think he will hold the Leafs over a barrel; in fact, I think he will take a small discount to try and keep the core of the team intact for as long as possible, after which he will be named Captain of TML.
With that being said, f*** John Tavares and the Toronto Maple Leafs
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JetsFan815
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Same with Ehlers, they use Ehlers as a comparable in these contract talks, yet in the past have claimed that Nylander is "on another level" to Ehlers AINEC.
CamPopplestone
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Yeah. Usually the sides meet in the middle though. I see the Leafs point, but I also see the players. If they want him long term, 7-8 years, there's only so low he will want to go.
Thanks for providing those tweets. I’m surprised Nylander would stick to such a high demand as an RFA. He’s only got so much leverage. The conventional wisdom is that in these situations the player is hurt more than the team.
Evolu7ion
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So this thing is absurd, we all knew that the Leafs could not afford to keep everyone, at least I did, I really pretty much knew this would happen, just trade him for D help then you might just save the season and get a cup, but if Nylander really wants to stay then so be it.
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Are they offering a set of Leafs pajamas as the signing bonus? Pretty ironic to assert that the young players in the organization need to take a haircut to keep the team competitive considering that that team is the Toronto Maple Leafs, a team that has liberally and recklessly thrown money around for decades with the belief that spending more makes for a better product. They're paying their coach much more than anyone else and have a front office that would rival the size of many Fortune 500 companies' leadership. Not to mention they just made a UFA not previously with the organization the second highest paid player in the game.
If they're having this much trouble with Nylander, who is widely regarded as the third most talented of their young RFA forwards, what kind of trouble are they going to run into with Matthews and Marner? Think we might see this end with a bridge deal, 4 or 5 years around 5.75
If they're having this much trouble with Nylander, who is widely regarded as the third most talented of their young RFA forwards, what kind of trouble are they going to run into with Matthews and Marner? Think we might see this end with a bridge deal, 4 or 5 years around 5.75
as a jet fan i'm sure you know ehlers just signed for 6 starting this year. that's the closest comparable in every way to nylander. how is the ehlers contract dumb or not a reasonable offer
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Evolu7ion
#firelindenning
I'm not. He's already loaded, he doesn't need the cash. It's about pride and the fact he wants to get paid like Drai because that's the caliber of player he believes he is and that's what the money represents.
If this drags on it will be less about the relationship between Nylander and the Leafs and more about the NHLPA eyeing this to see if they can leverage it into some sort of grievance based either on the Leafs “lowballing” in bad faith or “collusion” that no team has extended a huge offer sheet to Nylander. At a minimum I’d expect the NHLPA to try to use this as a reason to revisit RFA and arbitration status in the next CBA.
As a neutral third party observer - if the Leafs are using reasonable comps and offering a bit more than that and Nylander is truly demanding to be paid based on one extreme contract I have a hard time faulting the Leafs in this scenario.
Rants Mulliniks
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Seems like non-Leaf fans are far more concerned about it than Leaf fans. The level of butt hurt and praying for Tavares payback amongst you folks is amusing.
FourRings
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I'd be more concerned about a Matthews offer sheet if it gets to that point. One is an exceptional young player while the other is a good young player.
Fair enough but if he says Drai money or I sit and the Leafs say sit then where do you go? I don’t see another team ponying up premium assets for the privilege of paying Nylander at the level of Drai and I don’t see the Leafs letting him go at a discount. Where is the solution that both sides are happy with or at least can both live with?
mouser
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RFA holdouts have been around a long time. I can't imagine a reason why this one is so special it would be the foundation of a PA grievance.
Evolu7ion
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Would love to see Nylander sign a one year deal in SHL or an offersheet to put the "no leverage" talk to bed. He's got the ability to sign with any other NHL team willing offersheet him, or play in a different league, of course he has leverage.
The more I see how they operate the more I equate player agents to plaintiff personal injury lawyers.
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