Speculation: Nylander Discussion - Part IV

[CornKicker]

the rich part was shanahan saying they took less money in detroit to keep the core? LOL ok. didnt they have like $66MM is salary when other teams were in the 25 range? they are the reason for the salary cap now.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Seems like non-Leaf fans are far more concerned about it than Leaf fans. The level of butt hurt and praying for Tavares payback amongst you folks is amusing.

Here's a lesson: don't be so sure, cocky, and full of certainty when it's evident that these players aren't overzealous fans like some of you are on here.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

At the end of the day if I am Dubas I give Nylander's camp a long term offer in the low 6's and if he is stuck in the 8 I offer him option two in the form of a bridge deal and we can explore a trade at a later date. Basically decide if you are a Leaf long term or not. Put it in his court and see where it falls. If he doesn't like those two options then he sits.

 

[My3Sons]

RFA holdouts have been around a long time. I can't imagine a reason why this one is so special it would be the foundation of a PA grievance.

I’m not saying it will be, just that if it drags on for a long time I could see it. A few years ago a $6 mil per RFA on a reasonably long deal worked for good players who had room to improve but were already promising. Now a 60 point player is allegedly worth over $8 mil annually? Has the cap really gone up that much?

 

[Evolu7ion]

At the end of the day if I am Dubas I give Nylander's camp a long term offer in the low 6's and if he is stuck in the 8 I offer him option two in the form of a bridge deal and we can explore a trade at a later date. Basically decide if you are a Leaf long term or not. Put it in his court and see where it falls. If he doesn't like those two options then he sits.

or signs in SHL, or signs an OS with another team to force Toronto to up the price or lose him for measly picks.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

or signs in SHL, or signs an OS with another team to force Toronto to up the price or lose him for measly picks.

Him signing in the SHL is pretty irrelevant really. I will believe that an OS is signed when and if it happens because they just do not happen. Add to that the only offer sheet that would actually hurt the Leafs and not be enough compensation wise does not make any sense financially for pretty well any team in the league....yeah I think it's safe to say it isn't going to happen. I would like to add I am not saying any of this from a point of thinking any less of Nylander but just as Nylander is looking out for himself the Leafs are looking out for themselves long term as both sides are entitled too....now if one side is negotiating with unrealistic comparables that is something we do not know lol

 

[Crazy Monkey]

the rich part was shanahan saying they took less money in detroit to keep the core? LOL ok. didnt they have like $66MM is salary when other teams were in the 25 range? they are the reason for the salary cap now.

Way to regurgitate what was said by Doug MacLean last night and try to pawn it off as your own

 

[CornKicker]

Way to regurgitate what was said by Doug MacLean last night and try to pawn it off as your own

its a fact though, the redwings were the 2nd highest payroll over the 97-98 to 2004-05

 

[Crazy Monkey]

its a fact though, the redwings were the 2nd highest payroll over the 97-98 to 2004-05

Don't disagree with you at all. Just found it amusing how you presented it

 

[Hunter368]

as a jet fan i'm sure you know ehlers just signed for 6 starting this year. that's the closest comparable in every way to nylander. how is the ehlers contract dumb or not a reasonable offer

Nylander at 6 million would be less then Ehlers deal imo bc Nylander in his first two years performed better, Centre possibly, cap has risen since Ehlers signed the deal (the key is signed the deal). I assume you my comment of fair salary of 7 yrs at 6.5-7.0. Just with cap inflation that would make Ehlers deal about 6.5 roughly (on cell can’t confirm).

 

[I am not exposed]

Florida would have to give up...

Borgstrom
McCann
Matheson

For

Nylander

Otherwise, they can forget it.

One of the worst counter proposals I have seen on these boards.

 

[Nizdizzle]

Nylander at 6 million would be less then Ehlers deal imo bc Nylander in his first two years performed better, Centre possibly, cap has risen since Ehlers signed the deal (the key is signed the deal). I assume you my comment of fair salary of 7 yrs at 6.5-7.0. Just with cap inflation that would make Ehlers deal about 6.5 roughly (on cell can’t confirm).

I'm almost certain that GMs were aware the cap would be rising this offseason, the Jets management signed that deal fully aware of how it would fit in. I think its kinda disingenuous to think that for some reason Nylander's should be considered significantly different.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Nylander at 6 million would be less then Ehlers deal imo bc Nylander in his first two years performed better, Centre possibly, cap has risen since Ehlers signed the deal (the key is signed the deal). I assume you my comment of fair salary of 7 yrs at 6.5-7.0. Just with cap inflation that would make Ehlers deal about 6.5 roughly (on cell can’t confirm).

The Ehlers deal adjusted for inflation would add a couple hundred thousand to it....so lets say 6.3. I think the Leafs and every fan would be over the moon with that deal....hell I have a feeling if they were even close they could bridge that gap and if it ended at 6.5 long term that is fair but the longer this plays out in my opinion the more credence there is in him asking for 8+ a year. Which in that scenario there is just not a single way you look at what Nylander has done so far and make an argument for him being worth that much.

 

[shortfuze]

So this thing is absurd, we all knew that the Leafs could not afford to keep everyone, at least I did, I really pretty much knew this would happen, just trade him for D help then you might just save the season and get a cup, but if Nylander really wants to stay then so be it.

Why can’t they afford them? Based off what? There’s a big difference in not paying someone because they can’t affors them and buying into the system and taking lower deals. Just because Nylander is holding out doesn’t mean they can’t afford all of them.

 

[Evolu7ion]

Another factor is that Draisaitl's $8.5M contract was signed on August 16, 2017 beginning in the 2017/18 season when the salary cap was $75.0M. Therefore his 8.5M deal took up 11.33% of the cap.

Converting that into current dollars, 11.33% of $79.5M cap = $9,010,000. And that doesn't take into account the cap should continue to rise with new teams and growth.

So basically, if Nylander is asking for 8.0-8.5, it's not quite Draisaitl money. Draisaitl money would be 9M. 8.5M is somewhere between Ehlers money and Daisaitl money, perhaps tilted slightly towards the latter, but nonetheless still in between the two.

 

[Sensinitis]

**** I’m starting to regret picking him up in fantasy.

Sign Willy sign!

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Another factor is that Draisaitl's $8.5M contract was signed on August 16, 2017 beginning in the 2017/18 season when the salary cap was $75.0M. Therefore his 8.5M deal took up 11.33% of the cap.

Converting that into current dollars, 11.33% of $79.5M cap = $9,010,000. And that doesn't take into account the cap should continue to rise with new teams and growth.

So basically, if Nylander is asking for 8.0-8.5, it's not quite Draisaitl money. Draisaitl money would be 9M. 8.5M is somewhere between Ehlers money and Daisaitl money, perhaps tilted slightly towards the latter, but nonetheless still in between the two.

Ehlers and Pasta were both signed after Draisaitl....signed for less money and are as good if not better then Nylander. They also play the same position. He might be using Drai as a negotiating point but it is a flawed and weak point no matter how it is tried to get spun.

 

[Ranksu]

Have to say I enjoy Nylander isn't playing. There Will Be Time line where pressure comes higher to Make contract If Leafs doesn't play well enough.

Some point both sides start to lose.

Can you hardball elite future player like Nylander?

 

[OneBuffalo]

Something has to give. You cannot tell me the other teams in this league are unwilling to offer sheet this guy. If you're a team like LA, why don't you offer him $8M a year? If that's what he wants, and the Leafs only want to give him $6M, why can't you offer sheet him? You're only losing a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. If you're a playoff team, losing those picks don't hurt you, because you're acquiring a player that will most likely out play what your late first, 2nd, and 3rd round picks give you.

 

[FerrisRox]

Yeah I think Shanahan's comments were pretty stupid.

Just sounded so short sighted

They were clueless comments, particularly the nonsense about the Red Wings, which was a pure fabrications. The Red Wings enjoyed incredible success because they opened up the vaults and paid to bring in premium talent that wanted to be there for a chance to win. The notion that these guys were taking discounts to be there is Shanahan spinning a yarn. It's simply not true.

Not to mention, when you do have scenarios where you see athletes taking pay cut to be a part of a winner it's because they want to be a part of a winner. The success comes first. You don't see guys taking a pay cut because hopefully one day they will be a winner. That's just nonsense.

I hope he was just off his meds, cause if any one that nonsense he was spewing yesterday is any way part of the "Shana-plan" there are going to be problems. He did Dubas no favours with that speech.

 

[Weezeric]

I’m surprised leaf fans aren’t more worried about this. I mean, a team that’s greatest strength was their forward group has Tyler Ennis and Zach Hyman as a 3rd of their top six...

 

[The Podium]

A contender that hasnt won a playoff series in more than a decade? Lol

Ya you’re right, what am I thinking. What happened in 2006 is definitely relevant now. Surprised 9 year old Matthews and 16 year old JT didn’t carry them to the finals.

 

[Evolu7ion]

Ehlers and Pasta were both signed after Draisaitl....signed for less money and are as good if not better then Nylander. They also play the same position. He might be using Drai as a negotiating point but it is a flawed and weak point no matter how it is tried to get spun.

I disagree with respect to Ehlers. Nylander has been more prolific at the international stage and I think has more upside.

Pasta I agree with as a comparable and someone I agree with in terms of value at time of signing,. His $6.66M x 6 years deal equates to 8.89% of the cap. So in today's dollars, that's $7.1M.

So based on the Pasta deal, Nylander for 6 years @ $7.1M. Certainly fair based on that comparable. Though if Toronto wants a 7 or 8 year deal the cap shit should expected to be higher.

 

[stampedingviking]

Look when it comes to contracts Matthews in the best player in the league, when it comes to play it's a stretch to call him a top 20 player. How is that not hard to understand?

No one has said that

They're saying he should get more than Eichel but less than McDavid.

 

[ffh]

Nylander at 6 million would be less then Ehlers deal imo bc Nylander in his first two years performed better, Centre possibly, cap has risen since Ehlers signed the deal (the key is signed the deal). I assume you my comment of fair salary of 7 yrs at 6.5-7.0. Just with cap inflation that would make Ehlers deal about 6.5 roughly (on cell can’t confirm).

Nylander performed better. That's news to me.