Speculation: Nylander Discussion - Part IV
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Makar Goes Fast
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I'm sure Nylander does want to stay in Toronto. But he wants to be paid. Funny how Shanny was in the media yesterday "guilt tripping" the young RFA Leafs to "take less to stay together" when they just went out and signed Tavares at 11 mil a pop lol. I've said it from the beginning, if Tavares took 9.5 like Kucherov, the younger players would be more inclined to "give discounts." Leaf fans who don't realize this are in denial... and I personally love the Leafs. They're probably my 2nd, or no less than 3rd, favorite team in the league. But I'm calling it straight.
Dustin
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Others have responded I believe. Either way it's unlikely there will be any offer sheets.
Makar Goes Fast
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im in teh boat that just because tavares left money on the table, doesnt mean he took a discount. Tavares is being paid like a top 5 player, which he debatably is. If he was being paid like a top 20 players, then yeah it be a discount.
Dustin
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The problem with this line of thinking is that contracts are of equal value to talent. It doesn't work that way and never has. Contracts are based on what teams will pay players period or more accurately for players, how much they can get teams to pay for them. Contract status, potential, level of talent, intangibles, and even cap space available by the team are often all things that are taken into account when paying for a player. Other wise a player like Matt Martin wouldn't be getting paid $2.5.
Makar Goes Fast
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sure, but that doesn't mean that Tavares is getting a discount. He is getting paid like he should be.
I remember all the David Clarkson took a discount talk too when he first signed. Just because a team offered more does not make a contract a discount, it means they left money on the table, it is completely different.
Dustin
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Semantics aside. There was no way to procure Tavares at the stated $9.5. So whether you want to say he left money on the table or took a discount, the only way to get a player of Tavares quality when they become UFA is to pay them what they want.
Contenderorpretender
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Kuch is a winger. Top wingers should get paid less than top centers. Then you have the state tax blahs blahs. If San Jose did offer 13mil a season then tavarez did indeed take a discount of 15%. I bet if you found a Bobby Orr jersey that was 15% off you'd be f***ing happy wouldn't you?
Hunter368
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Oh crap.....if you want to use that circular debate with Nylander & Ehlers then we can agree to disagree bc I’ve read hundreds of posts debating that exact subject over the last few years......no interest in wasting my time on that debate.
You will claim 6 million x 7 years and Ill say 6.5 million x 7 years.....let’s see who is closer when he signs (bridge deal neither of us win). Haha
flamesforcup
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its a young team but there not a contender which is what i am refuting. They have shown nothing to indicate they are nothing other than a pretender.
Dustin
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Would the Leafs match $8.1M x 4 years ?
If not, that's a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd.
I think there would be some debate about it. Especially if the team was a lottery team the year before. Assuming Nylander would sign this they would probably just match and then trade him after and then use the cap savings to do the exact same thing to the team that offer sheeted him to begin with with one of their future RFA's.
Someone should ask Ovechkin to give back money to the Caps.
The contract he signed in 2008 is equivalent to $13.4M today.
Dustin
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So we're using one offs now? Matthews better be signing for less than Crosby than.
mouser
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Therein lies the problem....
Put aside the McDavid, Eichel, and Draisaitl deals, why should Nylander make any more than Ehlers in Winnipeg?
Personally, I think they take the compensation. That's a lot of draft ammunition and cap space with which to replace him and fix the other areas of the team.
Would the Leafs match $8.1M x 4 years ?
If not, that's a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd.
Are you seriously comparing Alex Ovechkin to Mitch Marner? In his first two season Ovi had 198 points 98 of which were goals. Marner has 130 points 41 of which are goals. Of course Ovi got paid as a winger he completely tore up the league, Marner isn't even the best player on his team.
5 years is not a good term, as he would be an UFA at the end of his contract.
Offer him 4 years at the same AAV.
Just Rude
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A back-to-back 30-goal centreman who is effective at both ends of the ice and making $4.5 million through 2022 is a prime candidate to be traded?
Um, no. Kadri isn't going anywhere, unless someone massively overpays.
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Again it's been stated many times that he wants a long term contract. But yes the least crappy version of an OS for Nylander would be 4 years at $8.1.
Dustin
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Yup. Biggest problem in terms of trading Kadri is it's doubtful you'll get back the same level of player for the same level of pay. The only trade for Kadri that would work would be picks and prospects and that wouldn't help Toronto win.
Yep.
It happened a lot of times for sure.
But funnily enough I can't find any examples of this...
Philadelphia is still waiting breathlessly for a counter-strike from Nashville.
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