Speculation: Nylander Discussion - Part IV

[Michel Beauchamp]

So we're using one offs now? Matthews better be signing for less than Crosby than.

Does Kessel at the equivalent of $9.9M work better for you ?

Or Kane at the equivalent of $12.1M ?

 

[Number 57]

A back-to-back 30-goal centreman who is effective at both ends of the ice and making $4.5 million through 2022 is a prime candidate to be traded?

Um, no. Kadri isn't going anywhere, unless someone massively overpays.

We're in a thread speaking of Toronto's cap problem. You're arguing Kadri shouldn't be dealt because he's good.

You're missing the point. If he's traded, it's to get rid of the salary.

Unless you'd rather deal Matthews away?

 

[Dustin]

Yep.

It happened a lot of times for sure.

But funnily enough I can't find any examples of this...

Philadelphia is still waiting breathlessly for a counter-strike from Nashville.

Because there are sooooo many examples of teams offer sheeting players too. So glad you used Weber's from what 6 years ago.

 

[Dustin]

Does Kessel at the equivalent of $9.9M work better for you ?

Not really as like before, still a one off.

 

[Just Rude]

Would love to see Nylander sign a one year deal in SHL or an offersheet to put the "no leverage" talk to bed. He's got the ability to sign with any other NHL team willing offersheet him, or play in a different league, of course he has leverage.

Sorry, where are these offer sheets you speak of? Did I miss the breaking news?

He is losing tens of thousands by the day. How is there any leverage? He has none. Sign a deal fair for everyone ($6.5 for a 60 pt. player seems pretty damn fair to me), and play hockey for a team that is going to be a contender for years to come. ​

If there is an idiot GM out there willing to pay Willie $8 million, see ya, kid. We'll take the picks. He's not getting it in Toronto, nor should he.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Are you seriously comparing Alex Ovechkin to Mitch Marner? In his first two season Ovi had 198 points 98 of which were goals. Marner has 130 points 41 of which are goals. Of course Ovi got paid as a winger he completely tore up the league, Marner isn't even the best player on his team.

Where did I ever claim that ???

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Not really as like before, still a one off.

Or a two off ?

Ans as I added, Kane at the equivalent of $12.1M ?

That's a lot of "off" !

PS: Benn at the equivalent of $10.3M ?

 

[Dustin]

Or a two off ?

Ans as I added, Kane at the equivalent of $12.1M ?

That's a lot of "off" !

The comparisons are Kane, Kessel and Ovechkin? Nice company for Marner there. 3 cup winners. I'd rather use more recent comparables but you do you I guess.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Because there are sooooo many examples of teams offer sheeting players too. So glad you used Weber's from what 6 years ago.

Here's a link to offer sheets in the NHL:

History of offer sheets in the NHL - Bing

Find a retaliatory offer sheet.

 

[bukwas]

We're in a thread speaking of Toronto's cap problem. You're arguing Kadri shouldn't be dealt because he's good.

You're missing the point. If he's traded, it's to get rid of the salary.

Unless you'd rather deal Matthews away?

Yes. The best way to ease cap struggles is to get rid of the best deals.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

We're in a thread speaking of Toronto's cap problem. You're arguing Kadri shouldn't be dealt because he's good.

You're missing the point. If he's traded, it's to get rid of the salary.

Unless you'd rather deal Matthews away?

I think you are missing the point. Kadri would be so far down the list of players traded to save on salary that it is stupid to even bring it up.

 

[Dustin]

Here's a link to offer sheets in the NHL:

History of offer sheets in the NHL - Bing

Find a retaliatory offer sheet.

I don't know what's worse, using a document that shows a total of 36 offer sheets since 1986 as proof it will happen or you searching this using Bing.

 

[Just Rude]

We're in a thread speaking of Toronto's cap problem. You're arguing Kadri shouldn't be dealt because he's good.

You're missing the point. If he's traded, it's to get rid of the salary.

Unless you'd rather deal Matthews away?

I know the thread I am in, and I am well aware of the Leafs cap situation moving forward, so I hope they don't give $8 million to a 60-point player.

If want to shed salary, you don't trade a guys coming off back-t0-back 32 goal seasons, who plays a strong defensive game and is one of the best deals in the league to "get rid" of $4.5 million. You're either getting draft picks or a player that makes a hell of a lot more in return, so how does that help Toronto?

If the Leafs are looking to shed salary, it won't be Kadri they are looking at moving.

So, no, I'm not missing the point.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

The comparisons are Kane, Kessel and Ovechkin? Nice company for Marner there. 3 cup winners. I'd rather use more recent comparables but you do you I guess.

I did add Benn at an equivalent of $10.3M.

And neither Kessel nor Ovechkin had won the Cup yet when they signed those contracts.

And Benn hasn't won a Cup.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

I don't know what's worse, using a document that shows a total of 36 offer sheets since 1986 as proof it will happen or you searching this using Bing.

Is the document incomplete or erroneous ???

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

I know the thread I am in, and I am well aware of the Leafs cap situation moving forward, so I hope they don't give $8 million to a 60-point player.

If want to shed salary, you don't trade a guys coming off back-t0-back 32 goal seasons, who plays a strong defensive game and is one of the best deals in the league to "get rid" of $4.5 million. You're either getting draft picks or a player that makes a hell of a lot more in return, so how does that help Toronto?

If the Leafs are looking to shed salary, it won't be Kadri they are looking at moving.

So, no, I'm not missing the point.

Respectfully, you are missing the point.

What salary would they shed ?

 

[Dustin]

Is the document incomplete or erroneous ???

Just give me a minute. I'm trying to pull up the stats that show how many RFA's sign with the team that drafted them but there must be more than 36 since 1986 as it's taking me a while to compile the list.....

Oh hey, turns out it's the overwhelming majority. Well there you go. Learn something new everyday.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Respectfully, you are missing the point.

What salary would they shed ?

Non-core pieces seems like the pretty obvious answer here. It is the equivalent of saying the Leafs will have to trade Rielly to save on salary. Rielly and Kadri are two of the Leafs most valuable assets right now.

 

[hullsy47]

5 years is not a good term, as he would be an UFA at the end of his contract.

Offer him 4 years at the same AAV.

Edmonton screwed themselves ,other teams are learning ,I bet most GM'S wont pay nylander more than larkin ,he is dreaming ,likely wants out ,good player on a bad team .
good luck willy

 

[hullsy47]

Non-core pieces seems like the pretty obvious answer here. It is the equivalent of saying the Leafs will have to trade Rielly to save on salary. Rielly and Kadri are two of the Leafs most valuable assets right now.

kadri IMO is more valuable than marner ,I think he.s no 3 on some list of leafs forwards

 

[Just Rude]

Respectfully, you are missing the point.

What salary would they shed ?

No, I'm not. Just like I won't spend $30 on gas because milk is a buck cheaper at the store two hours away.

We don't know the landscape of the cap moving forward, as there are other players to be signed, not just Nylander, Marner and Matthews. Why would you sell Kadri and his back to back 32 goal seasons to save, literally, a few bucks on the cap? The Leafs are a business; you look at ROI. There isn't a better ROI on the Leafs than Kadri right now. The only comparable is Rielly.

If they are looking to free up space, Nylander, signed or unsigned, goes before Kadri, as does Zaitsev. Ask me this time next year when we know exactly the cap situation.

Kadri isn't going anywhere. He's on one of the best deals in the league through '22. You are saving $4.5 here, not $7 million. Dubas isn't an idiot.

 

[Dustin]

As per Wikipedia

"Since the 2004-05 lockout, seven restricted free agents have signed offer sheets, and only one player has changed teams as the result of an offer sheet: Dustin Penner prior to the 2007–08 season. Penner is also the only player since 1997 (Chris Gratton) to change teams via an offer sheet.[7] The risk invested in real and cap dollars along with the negative reaction to an offer sheet has led to the act of signing an offer sheet becoming rare under the current CBA."

1 player since 1997 has left their team to go to another team via Offer sheet.

 

[IDuck]

Just give me a minute. I'm trying to pull up the stats that show how many RFA's sign with the team that drafted them but there must be more than 36 since 1986 as it's taking me a while to compile the list.....

Oh hey, turns out it's the overwhelming majority. Well there you go. Learn something new everyday.

bing it or it didnt happen

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Just give me a minute. I'm trying to pull up the stats that show how many RFA's sign with the team that drafted them but there must be more than 36 since 1986 as it's taking me a while to compile the list.....

Oh hey, turns out it's the overwhelming majority. Well there you go. Learn something new everyday.

Oh, I see.

You skipped over the title: "List of NHL players who have signed offer sheets"

I expected that there was something that you had missed, as you seem to be reasonably intelligent.

I can now take off my Sherlock Holmes cap...

 

[Dustin]

kadri IMO is more valuable than marner ,I think he.s no 3 on some list of leafs forwards

I don't really buy that. Marner would be higher on my list based on skill and potential alone. Either way moving Kadri to help cover other contracts is most likely counter productive. You'd be better off moving Hyman and Brown before moving Kadri as the difference is basically $400,000.