Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part III

[KovalchukFistPump]

Damn son. That’s a crazy increase

 

[RSeen]

Salary Cap will be +29% in 3 years. Jack, Bratt and Timo still locked up then, Nico would need a new deal, though Palat is off the books. If we can sign Luke to a reasonable deal, we are still going to have a ton of room to make moves.

 

[Billdo]

Salary Cap will be +29% in 3 years. Jack, Bratt and Timo still locked up then, Nico would need a new deal, though Palat is off the books. If we can sign Luke to a reasonable deal, we are still going to have a ton of room to make moves.

Give Hischier Palats deal minus 25% on top of his existing deal. Give Luke bridge deals until Hamilton is gone and give him Hamiltons deal.

 

[My3Sons]

Give Hischier Palats deal minus 25% on top of his existing deal. Give Luke bridge deals until Hamilton is gone and give him Hamiltons deal.

Luke will need more than Hamilton’s deal if they bridge him. I think their chance to get anything sane done with him is this offseason.

 

[New Jerseys Devil]

Give Hischier Palats deal minus 25% on top of his existing deal. Give Luke bridge deals until Hamilton is gone and give him Hamiltons deal.

Im no cap wizard but I dont think a bridge deal for Luke is very smart. He may try to force one but if we can get him under 10 million at 7-8 years I do it!

 

[NjDevsRR]

This doesn’t seem right. Round 1 would be against each other, round 2 would be against Washington/Wild Card 2, round 3 against whoever comes out of the Atlantic (as always) and round 4 against the Western champ (as always).

The first round matchup is brutal, but that round 2 matchup against the winner of Washington and the last wild card is nothing to complain about. The rest of the matchups are standard for any playoff year.

Even worse lmao. Metro 2/3 may end up being 2nd and 3rd in conference, then winner of that plays the most likely Presidents Trophy Winning Caps in round 2.

Wild. Thank you for the correction

 

[RSeen]

If we can get Luke for around $8.5M that would be good IMO. Next year will still likely be a bit tight, but plenty of room after that.

Even someone like Timo who is probably overpaid right now, in 3 years, his $8.8M will be equivalent to $6.8M today (when adjusting for % of cap). He will probably decline by then but it won't be a terrible overpayment (hopefully).

 

[New Jerseys Devil]

Maybe the incoming cap increase is why Fitzgerald is in on Miller? Again, I know the rumored issues but Quinn would know best. If its not entirely a Miller issue then 8m for a first line forward is seriously good!

As long as we have cap space to Quinn eventually!!

 

[Devil X]

Damn son. That’s a crazy increase

Love it with what we currently have locked up and whats coming and going.

 

[New Jerseys Devil]

Also I have a sneaking suspicion Nico takes a fair contract to remain our beloved Captain when he is up! Just a hunch

 

[devsfan8]

Maybe the incoming cap increase is why Fitzgerald is in on Miller? Again, I know the rumored issues but Quinn would know best. If its not entirely a Miller issue then 8m for a first line forward is seriously good!

As long as we have cap space to Quinn eventually!!

I do not know how, nor am I convinced he is "in on Miller". Calling and inquirying is the responsible thing for any GM, especially if the player would address a weakness on the roster. But I would not consider us a top candidate to land Miller at this point.

That can change. The longer this soap opera in Vancouver drags on the less value he will have and the more forced Vancouver might be into dealing him. I think in the end the Rangers have the upper hand and tried to get him twice. Im not against passing on Miller. I think we can improve the team without shelling out assets and putting another long term 8mill player on our roster at 31 years old. the Devils have a ton of talent. They need role players and bottom 6 depth with some scoring punch.

 

[Monsieur Verdoux]

Maybe the incoming cap increase is why Fitzgerald is in on Miller? Again, I know the rumored issues but Quinn would know best. If its not entirely a Miller issue then 8m for a first line forward is seriously good!

As long as we have cap space to Quinn eventually!!

Projected cap space (2027–2028): $70,925,000.

https://puckpedia.com/team/new-jersey-devils

 

[AfroThunder396]

Yeah it's more space, but it means that contracts are going to get bigger and dumber. Better to think of cap hit as a percentage of team cap instead of a number value.

Rasmus Dahlin signed a 8 x 11 extension when the cap was 83.5 and that extension kicked in when the cap was 88. That's 13.1% of the cap at signing and 12.5% of the cap when it went online. Let's split the difference and call it 12.8%.

Which would mean that extending Luke to the equivalent cap deal this offseason to a 95.5 cap would be an AAV of 12.24M.

Just mentally prepare yourselves for the sticker shock when you see the number. He will be the first bluechip RFA defenseman to get a new deal with this exploding cap. He and his agent will to be setting the market. Something in the 11-13 range is what his agent will be pushing for and he's absolutely right to do so.

If we could get him at 10-11 that would probably be a bigger steal than Jack's current contract and only possible due to the Hughes brother discount. Fitz did magic with Jack, Nico, and Bratt but it's a different world now.

 

[TrufleShufle]

Should be trading for good expiring RFAs and locking them up long term.

 

[RSeen]

Yeah it's more space, but it means that contracts are going to get bigger and dumber. Better to think of cap hit as a percentage of team cap instead of a number value.

Rasmus Dahlin signed a 8 x 11 extension when the cap was 83.5 and that extension kicked in when the cap was 88. That's 13.1% of the cap at signing and 12.5% of the cap when it went online. Let's split the difference and call it 12.8%.

Which would mean that extending Luke to the equivalent cap deal this offseason to a 95.5 cap would be an AAV of 12.24M.

Just mentally prepare yourselves for the sticker shock when you see the number. He will be the first bluechip RFA defenseman to get a new deal with this exploding cap. He and his agent will to be setting the market. Something in the 11-13 range is what his agent will be pushing for and he's absolutely right to do so.

If we could get him at 10-11 that would probably be a bigger steal than Jack's current contract and only possible due to the Hughes brother discount. Fitz did magic with Jack, Nico, and Bratt but it's a different world now.

Luke has been good but I can't get behind him being over $10M, even with a rising cap. He has not quite proven to be on Dahlin's level (or even necessarily close).

 

[Better Call Sal]

 

[Devils731]

Sounds positive if it’s the ribs.

 

[Bone Density]

 

[Forge]

Canadian teams really have to hope that the exchange rate turns around, right? I know that this has been a point that Thomas Drance has brought up a few times on the PDOcast

 

[Guttersniped]

They are probably a top 3-4 team in the league. They aren't going to trade for a bad contract.

It’s not that bad of a contract and if we retain a bit it’s market value. Hamilton is 12th in Defenseman scoring and they definitely need offense for their blue line. I’m assuming their moving on from Ekblad and that leaves their right side very bare.

If the Caps re-sign Chychrun there isn’t a much on the UFA market beyond Pionk and both of them are LHD.

Maybe they swing a trade for someone else. Wait to see if Quinn Hughes becomes available. Who knows.

But Hamilton as Brent Burns-style move for them in the short term actually makes some sense.

Here’s ATP Contract Estimates for the top defensive UFAs:
LHD Chychrun 27, 7 years/7.841m
T-13 (3): 46 GP 13G 20A 33 pts
LHD Pionk 29, 6 years/6.948m
T-13 (3): 53 GP 7G 26A 33 pts
RHD Ekblad 29, 7 years/6.865m
T-36 (6): 44 GP 3G 20A 23 pts
LHD Provorov 28, 5 years/6.395m
T-46 (6): 51 GP 3G 18A 21 pts
LHD Orlov 33, 3 years/4.953m
T-29th (7): 52 GP 4G 20A 24 pts

RFA Estimates:
RHD Bouchard 25, 8 years/10.738m
9th: 51 GP 8G 30A 38 pts
RHD Dobson 25, 8 years/10.511m
T-29th (7): 46 GP 6G 18A 24 pts
LHD Hughes (21) 7 years/8.886m
T-46th (6): 44 GP 4G 17A 21 pts
LHD Byram (24) 7 years/7.273m
T-29th (7): 50 GP 5G 19A 24 pts
LHD York (24) 6 years/5.687m
T-103rd (12): 39 GP 4G 8A 12 pts
LHD Miller (25) 6 years/5.316m
T-117th (17): 44 GP 3G 8A 11 pts

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

My uninformed position remains Luke Hughes is gonna stay firm on a 3 year bridge and not sign away his prime on an 8 year deal this offseason.

Should be trading for good expiring RFAs and locking them up long term.

These guys and their agents are not dummies. They are risk averse sure, as any rational human is but they can do math like we are all doing.

 

[Nocashstyle]

My uninformed position remains Luke Hughes is gonna stay firm on a 3 year bridge and not sign away his prime on an 8 year deal this offseason.

“Now keep in mind, Luke, we need to make sure we save enough cap space for when Quinn comes over…”

-Fitz probably

 

[dgibb10]

They are probably a top 3-4 team in the league. They aren't going to trade for a bad contract.

If you think dougie at 7 mill is a "bad contract" you are going to hate every single RHD ufa contract signed from here until dougies contract ends

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

signing Luke Hughes to anything but a longterm extension this summer would be a total failure.

 

[dgibb10]

Yeah it's more space, but it means that contracts are going to get bigger and dumber. Better to think of cap hit as a percentage of team cap instead of a number value.

Rasmus Dahlin signed a 8 x 11 extension when the cap was 83.5 and that extension kicked in when the cap was 88. That's 13.1% of the cap at signing and 12.5% of the cap when it went online. Let's split the difference and call it 12.8%.

Which would mean that extending Luke to the equivalent cap deal this offseason to a 95.5 cap would be an AAV of 12.24M.

Just mentally prepare yourselves for the sticker shock when you see the number. He will be the first bluechip RFA defenseman to get a new deal with this exploding cap. He and his agent will to be setting the market. Something in the 11-13 range is what his agent will be pushing for and he's absolutely right to do so.

If we could get him at 10-11 that would probably be a bigger steal than Jack's current contract and only possible due to the Hughes brother discount. Fitz did magic with Jack, Nico, and Bratt but it's a different world now.

Dahlin was on his 2nd RFA deal, not coming straight from his ELC. Dahlin is who bouchard and dobson will be looking at.