Speculation: Nylander Discussion - Part IV

[libertarian]

The Tavares signing will not hurt them in anyway. They will make it work with or without Nylander

Hope your right.

 

[Brunomics]

NYI, COL, NJ, CAR could realistically offer sheet Nylander for 7mil to 8 mil for 5 years and it would only cost a 1st, 2nd, 3rd which i think is worth it, because the Leafs cant reply with an offer sheet of their own for the next 8 or so years with Matthews and Marner up for contracts next year. Or they could take the best case scenario and trade Nylander with an Extension in place to Carolina for 1 of their RHD and shore up their biggest need.

Isles don't have their 2nd.

If they were to get it back I'd offer sheet him 8 million for 4 years since the 5th year I think changes the requirements. Stick him right with Barzal.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Or does Dubas and and Shanny taking paycuts now, so they can invest more in scouts? .

No salary cap on mgt/scouts so they don't need to take paycuts.

 

[Nizdizzle]

Isles don't have their 2nd.

If they were to get it back I'd offer sheet him 8 million for 4 years since the 5th year I think changes the requirements. Stick him right with Barzal.

The 6th year would change the requirements. 1-5 years all follow the same formula. Once you go over 5 years it changes and you have a higher compensation cap hit. 4 years would be unfortunate because it wouldn't buy any UFA years.

 

[howkie]

No salary cap on mgt/scouts so they don't need to take paycuts.

I know, but it was a hint to SHanny and Dubas, that their scouts are not doing a good job enough, and should send some of their money to hire more scouts.

 

[Stu]

NYI, COL, NJ, CAR could realistically offer sheet Nylander for 7mil to 8 mil for 5 years and it would only cost a 1st, 2nd, 3rd which i think is worth it, because the Leafs cant reply with an offer sheet of their own for the next 8 or so years with Matthews and Marner up for contracts next year. Or they could take the best case scenario and trade Nylander with an Extension in place to Carolina for 1 of their RHD and shore up their biggest need.

If Nylander signed an offer sheet at 7m then I would imagine the Leafs would instantly match and it would be over.

 

[Pavlikovsky]

Isles don't have their 2nd.

If they were to get it back I'd offer sheet him 8 million for 4 years since the 5th year I think changes the requirements. Stick him right with Barzal.

NHL compensation is calculated with an AAV over 5 years if the contract is longer than 5 years. So 4 or 5 years is ideal.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

How do you know if Shanahan has never taken a pay cut or if he didn’t agree to take a little less?

As I said earlier, Shanahan's comments were extremely rich considering he did not when he was a RFA as Nylander is.

Shanahan, mind you, did once find himself in a situation more akin to Nylander’s current quandary. At age 22, Shanahan was a restricted free agent with the New Jersey Devils. How’d that go? He bolted for bigger money in St. Louis, leaving behind a Lou Lamoriello-built Devils team that would win a Stanley Cup a few years later.

Now, the rules around restricted free agency were different then. But make no mistake. At age 22, precisely Nylander’s age, Shanahan looked out for Shanahan. He became the seventh-highest-paid player in the NHL, earning more in his first year in St. Louis than Mark Messier would earn winning the Hart Trophy for the New York Rangers. And as for pursuing the Stanley Cup? Partly as a result of the price St. Louis paid to acquire Shanahan — which included captain Scott Stevens in a controversial compensation award — the Blues lost in the first round of the playoffs in three of Shanahan’s four seasons in St. Louis. They never made it past the second round. In other words, Shanahan’s priority in his youth was building his fortune, not his legend.

Leafs’ William Nylander is following the Shana-plan in negotiations | The Star

 

[Nizdizzle]

The realistic thing here, is that if anyone is looking to offersheet him, they are looking at a MINIMUM of $8-million, and likely at least $8.5-million for Nylander to sign a deal 5-years or less. He isn't getting big term, so the cap hit will be higher than he is looking for on a 7 or 8 year deal.

If you send an offersheet for 6 7 or 8 years, you are almost certainly losing 4 1st-round picks due to compensation rules.

 

[Pavlikovsky]

If Nylander signed an offer sheet at 7m then I would imagine the Leafs would instantly match and it would be over.

If the Leafs were willing to do 7mil I'd like to think it would already be done, but I think they are trying to get him to sign a sweeheart contract like 6mil per for 7 years, but he is having none of that.

 

[Confucius]

I wouldn't pay him more than 6 but Toronto has said they will keep everybody.

It was a pipedream. Before the JT signing people were speculating can we sign all three. Needless to say after the JT signing keeping all 4 was dreaming in technicolour. Hey maybe we can get Karlsson this summer as well. lol

Willie is going to have to be traded but it may not be this year. I can see the game of chicken going right down to the last minute and then time running out as December 1st arrives.

Hope the fax machine doesn't jam on November 30th.

 

[SprDaVE]

If they Leafs were willing to do 7mil I'd like to think it would already be done, but I think they are trying to get him to sign a sweeheart contract like 6mil per for 7 years, but he is having none of that.

The consensus among the reports is that the Leafs are definitely willing to get closer to 6.5M-7M over long term but the Nylander camp is not budging a penny under 8M.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

Yes, and my grit(Leo Komarov) as well.

And my axe! (Callahan)

 

[waitin425]

Colorado should absolutely offer sheet him. Force the issue for the Leafs.

Colorado has Ottawa’s first so they can afford to lose their first, second and third.

Future core of....

Nate
Rantanen
Nylander
Jost
Landy
Makar
+
Hughes/kaako

Jesus

 

[Brock Radunske]

Colorado should absolutely offer sheet him. Force the issue for the Leafs.

Colorado has Ottawa’s first so they can afford to lose their first, second and third.

Future core of....

Nate
Rantanen
Nylander
Jost
Landy
Makar
+
Hughes/kaako

Jesus

It may come to that, but at the moment his agent said they aren't even going to consider signing an offersheet.

I'll be disappointed in the Leafs brass if they won't offer up to 6.5x6/7/8 because he's worth it and I'll be diappointed in Nylander if he's demanding 7/8 x 6/7/8 because he isn't worth it.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

With William losing money daily, question is will his agent will tack this on to the salary of what Nylander is asking for? I do admire Nylander's convictions here. He believes what he is worth, and it looks like he is willing to fight for it. Can't blame the player for that.

He is a great talent, if he showed that fight on the ice, he would be an even bigger star.

 

[CupsOverCash]

8 mil is too much. He should cost at most around 6-6.5.

 

[ffh]

nice article in the Toronto star about all nylander is doing is following the shana-plan when it comes to contract negotiations which is basically look after yourself.

 

[ottomaddox]

Dubas & Shanny foolishly thought players will & should "leave money on the table" like it's a cult. Why should they, or any player, leave money on the table? Unfortunately for them, Auston, Mitch & Willie didn't sleep on Maple Leaf bedsheets & wear Maple Leaf pajamas.

This is just the start.
Matthews & Marner are likely gonna have huge years this year, so it'll just make them more expensive to keep. They'll have to pay Matthews whatever he wants because he's irreplaceable and frankly he's the kind of player you spend whatever it takes to keep. If Marner hits 80-points this year which is within the realm, Draisaitl money is his starting point.

This could very well be true.

Nylander and his agent are confident that his skills should allow him to be paid like a #2 guy on an NHL team. Sadly the Tavares signing has made him a #4 guy. The leafs will have to pay Nylander like he's a #2 guy. If they don't then they better be prepared to trade him.

Does it hurt his trade value? A little. A team will have to give assets and sign him to a long-term deal. There are a few teams that would be happy to have him and would sign him.for more than what TOR is offering.




I must say I am a little surprised at TOR fans and their expectations. When Dubas announced to the media that "we want Nylander long-term as a Leaf" the fans bought it. No one seemed to ever think that Tavares presence might complicate things. Many thought Nylander would just go along with taking a discount for the sake of a blue and white cup parade. This problem the leafs have happens in many professional sports teams. Sometimes agents get in players' heads and say: "you're worth more, and you have the talent to be the top dog on another team. Do you really want to be the number 4 guy on TOR?"

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

With William losing money daily, question is will his agent will tack this on to the salary of what Nylander is asking for? I do admire Nylander's convictions here. He believes what he is worth, and it looks like he is willing to fight for it. Can't blame the player for that.

He is a great talent, if he showed that fight on the ice, he would be an even bigger star.

So you think in a contract negotiation where you have no leverage the pay gets higher the longer it goes?

 

[HamiltonNHL]

They want a Dumba, won't get him. Supply and demand, few RDs.

Do you know of any RDs that might be tradeable for Nylander's scoring touch ?

Nope. It will cost any team a fortune to get Nylander.

Cost is a top 4 RHD.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

So you think in a contract negotiation where you have no leverage the pay gets higher the longer it goes?

If I were the agent, I would tack that on. Nylander has options here. Start soliciting offer sheets, play in Europe, or sit, or ask for a trade if things do not look like they are progressing. All he is doing is following the Shanaplan of looking after himself as Shanahan did when he was 22 and signed as a free agent for big bucks with the Blues. Can't argue with a player looking out for himself as Shanahan did exactly the same thing when he was younger too.

 

[LucicAndChong]

guys i just want to say how much fun it has been arguing with you all

 

[varano]

If I were the agent, I would tack that on. Nylander has options here. Start soliciting offer sheets, play in Europe, or sit, or ask for a trade if things do not look like they are progressing. All he is doing is following the Shanaplan of looking after himself as Shanahan did when he was 22 and signed as a free agent for big bucks with the Blues. Can't argue with a player looking out for himself as Shanahan did exactly the same thing when he was younger too.

LOL you can't SOLICIT an offer sheet....

Your hate for the leafs is one of the strongest on this board.

 

[Confucius]

If I were the agent, I would tack that on. Nylander has options here. Start soliciting offer sheets, play in Europe, or sit, or ask for a trade if things do not look like they are progressing. All he is doing is following the Shanaplan of looking after himself as Shanahan did when he was 22 and signed as a free agent for big bucks with the Blues. Can't argue with a player looking out for himself as Shanahan did exactly the same thing when he was younger too.

I hope Willy can find us a deal we cant refuse. I can't see making 2 million a year in the KHL being better for him, or even less in the SHL.