Speculation: Nylander Discussion - Part IV

[varano]

I doubt any team would want Nylander at the Rumored 8-8.5 million he's asking for.....so yeh if true that would cripple any trade value. He's worth about 6.5+ million over 7 years. Sounds like the Leafs are low balling him so he's refusing to budge off the 8-8.5 million number. Smells like a bridge coming, because the gap is too large between him and the Leafs.

Its never been the leafs low balling him. Its....as you said... that his value is 6.5-7 and he wants 8.

Dreger was saying yesterday that he's not budging off of 8 at all.

 

[Albz]

How do you see anything with your head buried so deep in the sand? The Leafs just overpaid Tavares (yeah yeah I know someone supposedly offer him more money, but that doesn't mean it wasn't an overpay), now they are in the media begging a kid to take more than he's worth because Shanahan claims the Wings players did it (hint: they didn't). Nylander could easily get 4-5 million per year to play in the KHL and pay much less in taxes, so he wouldn't lose anywhere close to the $10 million you claim, he probably wouldn't even lose half of that.

I'm going to ignore the stacked team nonsense, it's pretty clear you aren't what we in the real world would call a reasonable fan.

Lmao how’s tavares overpaid??? We got him as a ufa. Ppl like you sound so salty

 

[The Burdened]

Teams will pay up for Nylander, just not in draft picks.

The likely scenario is that he works out a contract with an interested team & then Toronto tries to swing a deal so they can get a Top 4 D + a pick out of it and move on from this situation.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

If anything, his value has risen because of this. GM's like guys who know their worth. Imagine walking in to a job interview and when asked about your desired salary, you'd say "umm... five dollars an hour sounds about right". They wouldn't hire you. You know why? Because you underestimate yourself, pal. Nylander wants that 8 million, because he knows he's just that good. He wont let you down. He's worth every penny, and will prove it. I'd give my heart(Casey Cizikas) and soul(Matt Martin) for this guy.

Would you also give your brains (Luca Sbisa) and good looks (Cal Clutterbuck) for him?

 

[libertarian]

Nope. Because we don't know all the details. We always hear about asks being high, then the player agrees to something more realistic. So really the asks we hear mean very little as they are either a starting point or simply not true. Hell when Gaudreau signed, I think it was just a week or two before he inked his deal there were rumors he wanted 9 million or something.

Gaudreau sign before the season started. The fact that Nylander has not sign yet with the season already started is a statement they he and the Leafs are far apart. The Traverse signing helps the Leafs because he is a great centre but he has push the cost for their great young players to a point that the Leafs may not be able to afford. Considering that the Leafs have to sign their big 3 forwards over the next season Nylander's hold out is not a good sign.

As for his trade value that will depend if a team is willing to pay him what he thinks is his value. If nor then his trade value has gone down.

I made this same argument with Trouba. Trouba has given every sign he want to play elsewhere so the Jets after this season may have to trade him knowing they will not get equal value. Since Nylander is on his 2nd contract he will have more value.

To be honest I am surprised that he has yetl sign for 5 or 6 years already considering how good the Leafs team is.

 

[SprDaVE]

It hasn't helped grow it but it hasn't dropped his value at all.

 

[Marcus Helin]

Ikonernas stöd till Nylander: ”Det är inte lätt”

Aftonbladet (local swedish newspaper) has published another article about the Nylander situation. He gets support both from Sundin and Salming regarding the situation and they call out those who questioning the intetions of Nylander being greedy. They say: "Nylander shouldn't be going on his knees just because of the potential contracts of Marner and Matthews next year. Nylander is not a greedy person".

 

[Kevs Security]

Would you also give your brains (Luca Sbisa) and good looks (Cal Clutterbuck) for him?

Yes, and my grit(Leo Komarov) as well.

 

[The Burdened]

Gaudreau sign before the season started. The fact that Nylander has not sign yet with the season already started is a statement they he and the Leafs are far apart. The Traverse signing helps the Leafs because he is a great centre but he has push the cost for their great young players to a point that the Leafs may not be able to afford. Considering that the Leafs have to sign their big 3 forwards over the next season Nylander's hold out is not a good sign.

Dubas & Shanny foolishly thought players will & should "leave money on the table" like it's a cult. Why should they, or any player, leave money on the table? Unfortunately for them, Auston, Mitch & Willie didn't sleep on Maple Leaf bedsheets & wear Maple Leaf pajamas.

This is just the start.
Matthews & Marner are likely gonna have huge years this year, so it'll just make them more expensive to keep. They'll have to pay Matthews whatever he wants because he's irreplaceable and frankly he's the kind of player you spend whatever it takes to keep. If Marner hits 80-points this year which is within the realm, Draisaitl money is his starting point.

 

[NotNotALeafsFan]

I agree, he is getting lowballed.
It easy to say to the players to take a paycut, but did Shanahan take paycuts when he enterd his prime?
Or does Dubas and and Shanny taking paycuts now, so they can invest more in scouts? Their drafting has not been as good as people claim they do,
I remember all those posts after the 2015 years draft.....

I agree with what you’re saying but MLSE has unlimited money. They can afford to pay dubas/shanny whatever they want and pay for as many scouts as possible. They wouldn’t need to take a pay cut

 

[Lunatik]

Comparing the KHL to the NHL means YOU have your head buried in the sand.

If you want to win in hockeys best league, you go to the NHL. If you can't hack the NHL, you go to the KHL... OR if you're a retiring Russian you go to the KHL.

Coming from a team that pays Sean Monahan 6.3 million, I would expect you to understand what RFA means but you can't seem to grasp that. If you think that that the team wasn't excited about the leafs brass going out and getting a star player for what his market value was, then you're nuts.

Can you also explain HOW the leafs overpaid vs. What his original team offered????

Protip, reading comprehension is your friend. I never compared the KHL to the NHL, just simply pointed out he could make good money there. Why is that so difficult to understand? Yes we paid Monahan 6.3 million, when the cap was lower and we paid for potential. So, it's not me that doesn't understand it.

Lmao how’s tavares overpaid??? We got him as a ufa. Ppl like you sound so salty

How is he overpaid? WHat has he doen to get the 2nd highest AAV in the NHL? Because he manages to get a point per game every 3 years? Tavares is a very good player, but he absolutely is not worth more than $10m IMO. You are welcome to check my post history, I said it repeatedly when fellow Flames fans wanted Tavares.

And for the record, I don't give two f***s about the Leafs or Tavares signing there, so there is no salt, but please keep up your victim complex "Oh noes he doesn't think every thing the Leafs do is brilliant, he must hat the Leafs"

 

[Nizdizzle]

Dubas & Shanny foolishly thought players will & should "leave money on the table" like it's a cult. Why should they, or any player, leave money on the table? Unfortunately for them, Auston, Mitch & Willie didn't sleep on Maple Leaf bedsheets & wear Maple Leaf pajamas.

This is just the start.
Matthews & Marner are likely gonna have huge years this year. They'll have to pay Matthews whatever he wants because he's irreplaceable. If Marner hits 80-points this year which is within the realm, Draisaitl money is his starting point.

In that scenario, Leafs are still fine. Pay Matthews and Marner, and trade Nylander for futures. A bit worse off up front, but still enough starpower to be a contender.

 

[libertarian]

Dubas & Shanny foolishly thought players will & should "leave money on the table" like it's a cult. Why should they, or any player, leave money on the table? Unfortunately for them, Auston, Mitch & Willie didn't sleep on Maple Leaf bedsheets & wear Maple Leaf pajamas.

This is just the start.
Matthews & Marner are likely gonna have huge years this year. They'll have to pay Matthews whatever he wants because he's irreplaceable. If Marner hits 80-points this year which is within the realm, Draisaitl money is his starting point.

Agree. Holding onto these kids may be much harder then what the Leafs thought a year ago. The Traverse signing may come back and haunt them. The Leafs have to sign them but the cost could seriously hurt the team going forward. Better win the SC now or their SC window may close as fast has it just open.

 

[varano]

Protip, reading comprehension is your friend. I never compared the KHL to the NHL, just simply pointed out he could make good money there. Why is that so difficult to understand? Yes we paid Monahan 6.3 million, when the cap was lower and we paid for potential. So, it's not me that doesn't understand it.

How is he overpaid? WHat has he doen to get the 2nd highest AAV in the NHL? Because he manages to get a point per game every 3 years? Tavares is a very good player, but he absolutely is not worth more than $10m IMO. You are welcome to check my post history, I said it repeatedly when fellow Flames fans wanted Tavares.

And for the record, I don't give two ****s about the Leafs or Tavares signing there, so there is no salt, but please keep up your victim complex "Oh noes he doesn't think every thing the Leafs do is brilliant, he must hat the Leafs"

You paid for potential???? That contract is a steal. He put up 63 points at the time he signed which was two years ago. I can guarantee you that Monahan NOW would need 8.5-9 million as a UFA...especially after last season. Do you understand now the difference between UFA and RFA?

Also... do your math... Tavares is almost a career PPG player.

 

[HuGort]

What would your team offer the Leafs at this point for a soft 60 point winger who doesn’t show up in the playoffs and wants 8 million dollars and maybe more? Does Nylander at 8x8 have negative value?

I personally think he could realistically be worth 8 million dollars or even more but what if he doesn’t take another step? It might become one of the worst contracts in the league.

At 8 million, I wouldn't touch him even if he was a UFA. Can't overpay because next guys in line will all want raises. After 3 or 4 of them you would be 10-12 million higher in payroll than other teams

 

[voxel]

Same trade value as before... 60pt young winger. Nothing has changed.

Don't know why Leaf fans keep mention Draisaitl and his contract in various threads. Nylander is not as good and doesn't deserve the same money. It's a joke to say put Nylander next to McDavid and he'll score 90pts. Um, he plays with Matthews?

 

[Contenderorpretender]

No... he was heading into his UFA year just like Tavares last year and Karlsson this year. But, instead of threatening the Lighting that he's content with playing the market, or saying, "I want Tavares money"... he gave Tampa a legit discount and signed for 9.5 a pop. Kucherov is one of the few players who can bag 100 points any given year. He's 26 years old. What do you think he would get on the open market next summer? 12? 12.5?

This is just my opinion, but players like Kucherov, Stamkos and Hedman put their money where their mouth is. They all legit look a lot less to keep the team in tact. My point about Tavares is that he knew damn well the Leafs were an up and coming club with three high-profile players to sign and, instead of pulling a "Kucherov", he hit jackpot. It doesn't make him a bad person, or wrong in any way, but it does have a trickle down effect and we're seeing it now.

I'm not trying to be an asshole. I understand your point. But to sign somewhere where your contract dollars go further due to no state tax makes it easier. Also this article states that kuch was rfa. So if this article is accurate. What do you think his value will be when he hits ufa as a 100pt player? I'll bet more than tavares

Report: Kucherov's agent doesn't expect him to sign extension this summer - Sportsnet.ca

 

[Hunter368]

Its never been the leafs low balling him. Its....as you said... that his value is 6.5-7 and he wants 8.

Dreger was saying yesterday that he's not budging off of 8 at all.

Well we don't know that for sure, plus with Shanny coming out saying they expect their players to sacrifice on their salary demands......kinda indicates the team maybe offering below the market value. I completely agree with you his value is 6.5-7.0 (7 being the very top end). Sounds like to me, the Leafs are offering & not budging off a below market value offer and on principle Nylander isn't budging off his high starting point. So the two sides are locked in a staring contest, neither willing to budge at this point. I think the most reasonable option is a bridge deal, let's see if a hungry Nylander can increase his value over a two year bridge.

 

[Brock Radunske]

What would your team offer the Leafs at this point for a soft 60 point winger who doesn’t show up in the playoffs and wants 8 million dollars and maybe more? Does Nylander at 8x8 have negative value?

I personally think he could realistically be worth 8 million dollars or even more but what if he doesn’t take another step? It might become one of the worst contracts in the league.

Wow. How transparent.

 

[Lunatik]

You paid for potential???? That contract is a steal. He put up 63 points at the time he signed which was two years ago. I can guarantee you that Monahan NOW would need 8.5-9 million as a UFA...especially after last season. Do you understand now the difference between UFA and RFA?

Also... do your math... Tavares is almost a career PPG player.

Yes, Monahan signed for 6.3 million two years ago after a 63 point season. Good for you, you can look up stats. It was market value at the time for RFAs. Since then the market has risen, partially due to the cap rising and partially due to some pretty large second contracts. I'm not sure what you aren't grasping here.

My math is fine. 2015 point per game. 2018 point per game. Now let's see 2018-2015 is how much? Right, 3! Congrats, I had to teach you simple subtraction. But my point was Tavares should not be the 2nd highest paid player in the league.

 

[varano]

Wow. How transparent.

Oh I know... I reported it to be merged at the very least but theres an obvious hate for the leafs.

 

[Drytoast]

Well we don't know that for sure, plus with Shanny coming out saying they expect their players to sacrifice on their salary demands......kinda indicates the team maybe offering below the market value. I completely agree with you his value is 6.5-7.0 (7 being the very top end). Sounds like to me, the Leafs are offering & not budging off a below market value offer and on principle Nylander isn't budging off his high starting point. So the two sides are locked in a staring contest, neither willing to budge at this point. I think the most reasonable option is a bridge deal, let's see if a hungry Nylander can increase his value over a two year bridge.

He's not 7.

Seven is more than Pasternak.

 

[shortfuze]

What would your team offer the Leafs at this point for a soft 60 point winger who doesn’t show up in the playoffs and wants 8 million dollars and maybe more? Does Nylander at 8x8 have negative value?

I personally think he could realistically be worth 8 million dollars or even more but what if he doesn’t take another step? It might become one of the worst contracts in the league.

So after you just buried him by calling him a soft 60 point winger who doesn’t show up in the playoffs, do you think teams will line up to trade assets for him plus give him 8 million a year? Great selling features.

 

[varano]

Yes, Monahan signed for 6.3 million two years ago after a 63 point season. Good for you, you can look up stats. It was market value at the time for RFAs. Since then the market has risen, partially due to the cap rising and partially due to some pretty large second contracts. I'm not sure what you aren't graping here.

My math is fine. 2015 point per game. 2018 point per game. Now let's see 2018-2015 is how much? Right, 3! Congrats, I had to teach you simple subtraction.

Oh my bad...youre being selective about stats to cover your salt.... I misunderstood that and thought you would assess a player on his whole career... My bad. You got this bro.

 

[voxel]

He's not 7.

Seven is more than Pasternak.

FYI Pastrnak's contract was also for 6 years. Ehlers for 7 years. Doubt Nylander signs a 8 year deal at a lower amount (% of capwise) than those two.