Rumor: KINGS 2018-19 Season - The Luc and Rob Show

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Am I the only one who would’ve actually liked to see how Lombardi went about another rebuild with this team?

Nope, never liked that decision escpecially with Blake being the replacement. I think Sutter had to go and maybe DL wasn’t willing to do that....so you had to get rid of them both to make it happen.
 
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All deadline (or near deadline) deals. Different dynamic at play in November. Teams are much less anxious to trade a 1st at this time of year that could turn into a lottery pick. If Toffoli is traded now it will be mostly roster player for roster player with a mid round pick or low end prospect to balance things out.

Absolutely agreed, I just bristle at the suggestion that it's far-fetched to ask for that for Toffoli. Could maybe find 'lesser' parts that are a better fit, but I don't see the hurry to trade him until the deadline either, he's been at least remotely productive this year and has been one of our better forwards. Not that there would be a line out the door for him by any means, but out of the cheaper pieces, he'd be in highest demand I think, would complete and complement a team with Cup aspirations for sure.
 
Am I the only one who would’ve actually liked to see how Lombardi went about another rebuild with this team?

Why? All his rebuilding resulted in was them struggling to make the playoffs in 2012, only to be saved by lucking into Carter for practically nothing. Certainly far less than what Columbus paid to get him. Lombardi didn't know what he was doing either. We concentrate on the Lucic trade, but Lombardi gave up the 5th overall pick and a solid young forward before they won a game after the 1st round. That was dumb, and should've cost him his job. Poor asset management. Picked Hickey over Couture. Inherited Kopitar, and Quick pretty much came out of nowhere.
 
If we draft Hughes I think we can be back to contending in 2 years . With Clague , Kupari and glass man Vilardi developing more as well.

Brown-Kopitar-Carter/Vilardi
Kovy-Hughes-Toffoli
Kempe-Carter/Vilardi-Kupari
Wagner-JAD-Lewis
Amadio

Center depth wins right . Idk looks good on paper but Sturm has to do something with the offense
 
Why? All his rebuilding resulted in was them struggling to make the playoffs in 2012, only to be saved by lucking into Carter for practically nothing. Certainly far less than what Columbus paid to get him. Lombardi didn't know what he was doing either. We concentrate on the Lucic trade, but Lombardi gave up the 5th overall pick and a solid young forward before they won a game after the 1st round. That was dumb, and should've cost him his job. Poor asset management. Picked Hickey over Couture. Inherited Kopitar, and Quick pretty much came out of nowhere.
Luck is when preparation meets opportunity. Did Lombardi luck into the assets which were used to acquire Richards and Carter? Williams? Stoll and Greene? No, he didn't luck into any of those assets. They were there and available for him to use when he felt the time was right, and it was so right. The Kings don't win in 2012 with Simmonds and Schenn on the roster instead of Richards and Carter. Lest we forget how Richards set the tone in Round 1 of the 2012 playoffs.

 
If we draft Hughes I think we can be back to contending in 2 years . With Clague , Kupari and glass man Vilardi developing more as well.

Brown-Kopitar-Carter/Vilardi
Kovy-Hughes-Toffoli
Kempe-Carter/Vilardi-Kupari
Wagner-JAD-Lewis
Amadio

Center depth wins right . Idk looks good on paper but Sturm has to do something with the offense

Respectfully disagree sir. Those top 2 lines are ancient. Brown would be 36. Kopitar would be 33. Carter would be 35. Kovalchuk would be 37...
 
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Best bet is Kings tank at get a top 3 overall pick.

Blake then can deal Hagelin, Thomspon, and Fattenberg (all UFA's) in March.

I would also predict he makes a big move and deals one or more of Muzzin, Martinez, or Toffoli.
 
Lombardi had to go, the level of mismanagement of the Kings from 2014-2017 was something that probably hadn't been seen in the NHL since Mike Milbury and the Islanders at the turn of the century. Give Dean credit for molding what he inherited, and making some great deadline moves for the Kings to win in 2012 and 2014. But the reality is we weren't going to keep contending on the backs of Dave Taylor's draft picks, and Dean's time as an NHL GM has shown that he just isn't very good at drafting high end players, and that is what the Kings are going to need for the next couple of years. The fact that Dean isn't an NHL GM is pretty telling.

But normally when a company is that poorly ran, you don't promote the top VP to the corner office when the CEO gets fired. The Kings drafting for the last decade has been an embarrassment, yet look who got promoted to the AGM spot, the guy in charge of drafting, and who gets promoted to the head of amateur scouting? Well ofcourse the previous guys top lieutenant . The team stunk on the ice for three seasons after the 2nd cup, the culture was clearly rotten and when they correctly remove the HC what do they do? Well ofcourse they promote the associate coach.

The whole thing should have been blown up years ago and they should have gone outside the organization and completely started over.
 
Lombardi had to go, the level of mismanagement of the Kings from 2014-2017 was something that probably hadn't been seen in the NHL since Mike Milbury and the Islanders at the turn of the century. The fact that Dean isn't an NHL GM is pretty telling.

But normally when a company is that poorly ran, you don't promote the top VP to the corner office when the CEO gets fired. The Kings drafting for the last decade has been an embarrassment, yet look who got promoted to the AGM spot, the guy in charge of drafting, and who gets promoted to the head of amateur scouting? Well ofcourse the previous guys top lieutenant . The team stunk on the ice for three seasons after the 2nd cup, the culture was clearly rotten and when they correctly remove the HC what do they do? Well ofcourse they promote the associate coach.

The whole thing should have been blown up years ago and they should have gone outside the organization and completely started over.
You are 100% correct on this. I was advocating for Futa when Dean was fired, but that would have been a mistake as well.

It's not easy to find a hockey executive who is extremely competent, and it's even harder to find an owner with the patience to follow a plan.
 
K17,

I believe sports should be the ultimate meritocracy. On the ice, behind the bench and upstairs. The LA Kings right now are the complete opposite of a meritocracy throughout the organization. I'm sure one of Luc or Blake's old buddies will be the HC after the season.

And yes, I would have cleaned house completely after 2017. DL fired, Blake fired, Futa and the scouting staff fired, the entire coaching staff fired. First thing would have been to hire someone from the outside to oversee hockey ops, let him choose a coaching staff and then evaluate the roster and make moves they saw fit. I don't think anyone in a position to make hockey decisions with this team is capable of fairly evaluating these players. The fact that Luc and Blake think they are contenders when in reality they might be the worst team in the league is pretty strong evidence to that.
 
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Here's a fun exercise. This is a 23-man team made up of the Kings' draft selections and prospect signings from 2006 through 2017.

Pearson-Schenn-Toffoli
Kempe-Loktionov-Simmonds
King-Shore-Lewis
Clifford-Dowd-Nolan
Deslauriers-Andreoff-Vey

Muzzin-Doughty
Martinez-Voynov
Forbort-Hickey

Jones-Bernier

Jesus Christ that forward lineup is horrendous. I guess you can throw Moulson and Purcell into the mix if you think that makes that group look better. It still stands out how poor this organization has been in finding top six talent.
 
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Here's a fun exercise. This is a 23-man team made up of the Kings' draft selections and prospect signings from 2006 through 2017.

Pearson-Schenn-Toffoli
Kempe-Loktionov-Simmonds
King-Shore-Lewis
Clifford-Dowd-Nolan
Deslauriers-Andreoff-Vey

Muzzin-Doughty
Martinez-Voynov
Forbort-Hickey

Jones-Bernier

Jesus Christ that forward lineup is horrendous. I guess you can throw Moulson and Purcell into the mix if you think that makes that group look better. It still stands out how poor this organization has been in finding top six talent.

Ha, that is tough to even look at.

And Futa and Yannetti got promotions!!
 
Ha, that is tough to even look at.

And Futa and Yannetti got promotions!!

It truly does look like a team that would struggle to make the playoffs, which is exactly what the Kings are.

That cast of centers and wingers is depressing to look at. They've had more success with defensemen, but those names were added quite a long time ago and none of them are young names coming up.

But hey, if you love a team full of grinders, there's plenty of those!
 
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These players all need to be gone by the start of the 2019 season. You just hope Blake gets a better return compared to Pearson.

Carter
Toffoli
Lewis
Muzzin
Martinez
Forbort
Thompson
Hagelin

Close to $30m in cap savings.
 
The other problem is rob and luc didn’t see this coming 2 years ago, and blew smoke up our butts about how good they were gonna be. Hopefully they are on a short leash because they obviously they have a problem evaluating the “talent” on this team.

Luc and Blake done any media interviews or press conferences recently? Seems they have both gone dark.

And not like the local sports media is going to bother seeking them out, the best we can get is Helene and Rosen saying stuff on twitter.
 
Lombardi had to go, the level of mismanagement of the Kings from 2014-2017 was something that probably hadn't been seen in the NHL since Mike Milbury and the Islanders at the turn of the century. Give Dean credit for molding what he inherited, and making some great deadline moves for the Kings to win in 2012 and 2014. But the reality is we weren't going to keep contending on the backs of Dave Taylor's draft picks, and Dean's time as an NHL GM has shown that he just isn't very good at drafting high end players, and that is what the Kings are going to need for the next couple of years. The fact that Dean isn't an NHL GM is pretty telling.

But normally when a company is that poorly ran, you don't promote the top VP to the corner office when the CEO gets fired. The Kings drafting for the last decade has been an embarrassment, yet look who got promoted to the AGM spot, the guy in charge of drafting, and who gets promoted to the head of amateur scouting? Well ofcourse the previous guys top lieutenant . The team stunk on the ice for three seasons after the 2nd cup, the culture was clearly rotten and when they correctly remove the HC what do they do? Well ofcourse they promote the associate coach.

The whole thing should have been blown up years ago and they should have gone outside the organization and completely started over.

Dean Lombardi is the best GM this organization has ever seen.The constant disrespect (ie. He built off Taylor’s picks, he’s mike milbury etc) is something I’ll never understand and frankly this organization treated him like trash on the way out.

We were a laughing stock (save one year in 93) for the entirety of the franchises existence. I mean it was a sad history of losing. Under Dean, someone that could actually articulate a plan and articulate his vision for the team. We never had that before, and we certainly lost that immediately after he left. Results speak for themselves and now there’s pining for the old days, wonder why.

Dean was pretty thorough in rebuilding the franchise from the weight room to the equipment guy. Development was nonexistent before DL, offseason team training was nonexistent. Some of Taylor’s picks would have never seen as much nhl action if not for DL’s program. We never would have heard of Quick, Kopitar wouldn’t be winning any Selke’s, missed out on Doughty, no Martinez to win us a Cup, no Voynov to fly down the slot to beat the Blues in the playoffs, no Stoll to send the Canucks packing, No Justin Williams game 7 heroics.

Just to recap, DL brought the best 3-4 years that this franchise will probably ever see. 2 Stanley Cups and 1 WCF appearance. Nobody can blame him for trying to extend that run.

Some of his comments in his last season here indicate he was gearing up for an overhaul with leadership. Unfortunately he’s been knifed in the back, game of thrones style, by Luc Robitaille who clearly convinced AEG he can do better with the team as is. No overhaul needed and can still contend.

There’s a reason why DL went back to Philly quietly, he had nothing good to say about Luc and he trusts the Philly organization. I’m not sure he’ll choose to GM again given how things transpired in LA.
 
Dean Lombardi is the best GM this organization has ever seen.The constant disrespect (ie. He built off Taylor’s picks, he’s mike milbury etc) is something I’ll never understand and frankly this organization treated him like trash on the way out.

We were a laughing stock (save one year in 93) for the entirety of the franchises existence. I mean it was a sad history of losing. Under Dean, someone that could actually articulate a plan and articulate his vision for the team. We never had that before, and we certainly lost that immediately after he left. Results speak for themselves and now there’s pining for the old days, wonder why.

Dean was pretty thorough in rebuilding the franchise from the weight room to the equipment guy. Development was nonexistent before DL, offseason team training was nonexistent. Some of Taylor’s picks would have never seen as much nhl action if not for DL’s program. We never would have heard of Quick, Kopitar wouldn’t be winning any Selke’s, missed out on Doughty, no Martinez to win us a Cup, no Voynov to fly down the slot to beat the Blues in the playoffs, no Stoll to send the Canucks packing, No Justin Williams game 7 heroics.

Just to recap, DL brought the best 3-4 years that this franchise will probably ever see. 2 Stanley Cups and 1 WCF appearance. Nobody can blame him for trying to extend that run.

Some of his comments in his last season here indicate he was gearing up for an overhaul with leadership. Unfortunately he’s been knifed in the back, game of thrones style, by Luc Robitaille who clearly convinced AEG he can do better with the team as is. No overhaul needed and can still contend.

There’s a reason why DL went back to Philly quietly, he had nothing good to say about Luc and he trusts the Philly organization. I’m not sure he’ll choose to GM again given how things transpired in LA.

Winning championships does not guarantee job security, Chiarelli and Shero are proof of that. The Kings from 2014-2017 were at the Milbury level, never compared his entire tenure in LA to Milbury, but the final three years are comparable, it was a complete and utter disaster and no one was stabbed in the back, just like the aforementioned guys, he was rightfully fired.

I stand by what I said, three of the most important players on this team were drafted by Dave Taylor, who was fired over 12 years ago. Look at the post that Ziggy had building a roster with Kings picks during the DL era. Sorry but once Kopitar, Quick and Brown are done is that someone you trust to add high end players to the roster? Credit to adding to what he inherited, he made some great deals in trading for undervalued players like Carter and Williams and made a great hire at the right time in Sutter, but it was clearly time to turn the page.
 
Carter+Doughty for Tarasenko+Parayko, Martinez for a pick, Lewis for a pick.

Kovalchuk-Hughes-Tarasenko
Iafallo-Kopitar-Brown
JAD-Vilardi-Toffoli
Clifford-Kempe-Kupari

Muzzin-Parayko
Forbort-Clague
Phaneuf-Strand

Ersberg.

Mwha~ Beautiful.
 
It truly does look like a team that would struggle to make the playoffs, which is exactly what the Kings are.

That cast of centers and wingers is depressing to look at. They've had more success with defensemen, but those names were added quite a long time ago and none of them are young names coming up.

But hey, if you love a team full of grinders, there's plenty of those!

This doesn't take into account all of those draft picks traded, so there's that. And, there's only one guy in that forward core taken in the first half of the first round, if I'm not mistaken. Still, hard to argue they wouldn't have missed on them as well.
 
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