Value of: Best 1 for 1 return for Askarov

[abo9]

Could Nashville sign Saros long term then use Askarov as backup? Goalies are notoriously fickle and an injury to Saros with no quality backup would be very hurtful.

Kind of like the Bob/Knight situation in Florida, but hopefully Askarov stays healthy.

Mercer vs Askarov + sweetener doesnt seem too crazy to me either. NJ have their first 2 C locked in, have a few really good wingers, but mystery boxes in goals.

Although realistically a rookie goaltender probably fetches guys that are less "known value than Mercer, guys ala Dach/Newhook at the time they were traded. Who's the next young player with high draft pedigree that will be made available?

 

[ole ole]

Yeah and that was a bone head move

Askarov is gonna be a top 5 goalie in the NHL, Reinbacher is like a #3-4 D

Jeez sounds like you should quite your day job and become a scout.

The 15ht pick was Matthew woods.
So Hughs liked Reinbacher and i think most Habs fans were and still are happy in keeping Reinbacher . Time will tell.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Jeez sounds like you should quite your day job and become a scout.

The 15ht pick was Matthew woods.
So Hughs liked Reinbacher and i think most Habs fans were and still are happy in keeping Reinbacher . Time will tell.

keep toeing the line boy I’m sure it’ll pay off

 

[ole ole]

keep toeing the line boy I’m sure it’ll pay off

Not making a wrong move usually pays off.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Would Nashville be interested in Seamus Casey?

 

[glenngineer]

I can't see holding the Askarov asset that long when we have so many other holes that could be addressed by transferring it to a different position. We are not a good team at this stage and need help in pretty much any area.

I don't see us moving him with nothing in the pipeline if Saros were to go down for any extended period of time.

 

[Scintillating10]

Maybe a late first and a throw in? In other words whatever we get for Monahan.

 

[Soundgarden]

Maybe a late first and a throw in? In other words whatever we get for Monahan.

Why would Nashville do that?

 

[Scintillating10]

Why would Nashville do that?

Why are they moving him?

 

[Armourboy]

Why are they moving him?

Only reason we move him is to essential pick up a really good player to try and speed up the turn around time. Outside of that there is no reason to move him other than some Nashville fans can't stand the idea of having two good goalies or a safety measure apparently.

 

[Soundgarden]

Why are they moving him?

The only way we'd trade him is to get a piece to build with. A 1st lower than the one we drafted him with and random crap would be insulting.

 

[banks]

I'd trade just about anything from Toronto for Askarov.

Nylander probably can't be extended. So if they need to move him, why not solve the goalie position for a decade while you do it? Nylander and Samsonov for Askarov and what?

 

[YP44]

I wish Turcotte's development went better.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I'd trade just about anything from Toronto for Askarov.

Nylander probably can't be extended. So if they need to move him, why not solve the goalie position for a decade while you do it? Nylander and Samsonov for Askarov and what?

I don't see the Leafs trading Nylander, but maybe a question worth thinking about if you did: what could you get from somebody else instead of Askarov? Askarov isn't ready for the NHL today, he's not better than Samsonov is. And he might never make it. That seems like a strange gamble for a contender to take. Sure, the payoff if he does make it would be nice... eventually. But you can probably get a much surer bet elsewhere?

 

[banks]

I don't see the Leafs trading Nylander, but maybe a question worth thinking about if you did: what could you get from somebody else instead of Askarov? Askarov isn't ready for the NHL today, he's not better than Samsonov is. And he might never make it. That seems like a strange gamble for a contender to take. Sure, the payoff if he does make it would be nice... eventually. But you can probably get a much surer bet elsewhere?

I agree, there would be better "win-now" moves if the Leafs decide to move Nylander rather than pay him. But perhaps Nashville could add a defenseman, solving a "now" problem for the Leafs at the same time?

I expect that the management in TO will try to just find the money for Nylander. But I figure they should take the chance they have to balance out the cap structure and solve a position of need once and for all.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Alexander Holtz +.

Would Nashville be interested in Seamus Casey?

I am sure they would.

But NJ very unlikely to trade Casey for a player that is unproven at the NHL level.

 

[Soundgarden]

Alexander Holtz +.

Would be uninteresting from Nashville's perspective.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I agree, there would be better "win-now" moves if the Leafs decide to move Nylander rather than pay him. But perhaps Nashville could add a defenseman, solving a "now" problem for the Leafs at the same time?

I expect that the management in TO will try to just find the money for Nylander. But I figure they should take the chance they have to balance out the cap structure and solve a position of need once and for all.

In terms of defensemen, I don't think any of McDonagh, Barrie, or Schenn are really material to our team in Nashville atm. I know there are some leadership/intangibles reasons why we went after them, but if the team isn't going to make the playoffs anyway, we do have some other young D who I'd rather play most nights. Those guys are all probably still decent for what they do... just... where the Preds are right now doesn't really cry out for what they bring.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Would be uninteresting from Nashville's perspective.

Oh, how could you refuse, he's a hot commodity, Devils fans are peddling him everywhere.

 

[banks]

In terms of defensemen, I don't think any of McDonagh, Barrie, or Schenn are really material to our team in Nashville atm. I know there are some leadership/intangibles reasons why we went after them, but if the team isn't going to make the playoffs anyway, we do have some other young D who I'd rather play most nights. Those guys are all probably still decent for what they do... just... where the Preds are right now doesn't really cry out for what they bring.

Askarov + McDonagh for Nylander and Samsonov.

I know for a fact that a lot of Leafs fans wouldn't like it. But I like it.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

I'd trade just about anything from Toronto for Askarov.

Nylander probably can't be extended. So if they need to move him, why not solve the goalie position for a decade while you do it? Nylander and Samsonov for Askarov and what?

This is simultaneously too much while also not making any sense for the Preds. Nylander walks in June after we fail to make the playoffs and fail to meet his contract demands. Not sure why Samsonov would even be included, there's no spot for him with Saros and Lankinen.

 

[banks]

This is simultaneously too much while also not making any sense for the Preds. Nylander walks in June after we fail to make the playoffs and fail to meet his contract demands. Not sure why Samsonov would even be included, there's no spot for him with Saros and Lankinen.

Obviously it only works if Nylander is down to extend with Nashville. Yes.

I'll admit I forgot NSH had Lankinen. So no need for Samsonov, you're right.

The idea was that Nashville was looking for a game breaking forward. I don't think there's better available anywhere than Nylander. If you'd like to counter, go right ahead.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Obviously it only works if Nylander is down to extend with Nashville. Yes.

I'll admit I forgot NSH had Lankinen. So no need for Samsonov, you're right.

The idea was that Nashville was looking for a game breaking forward. I don't think there's better available anywhere than Nylander. If you'd like to counter, go right ahead.

We do need a game-breaking forward (several really), but we're also likely heading into several year re-tool/no playoffs and have $8M-$11M in dead cap over the next 3 seasons. I can't see us spending the $11M-$12M Nylander's going to want, and he's also going to be 30 or older by the time we actually start competing again. We're likely to have Forsberg, Josi, and Saros still around, at that age or older, but if we're trading young cost-controlled assets it feels like the wrong type of player to target.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Alexander Holtz +.


I am sure they would.

But NJ very unlikely to trade Casey for a player that is unproven at the NHL level.

Casey is unproven too.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Askarov + McDonagh for Nylander and Samsonov.

I know for a fact that a lot of Leafs fans wouldn't like it. But I like it.

I'd do it. I love Askarov, but I do think he's a lot more uncertain than many fans here seem to think. Assuming the trade was predicated on the assumption that Nylander was at least "open" to signing for a nice payday in Nashville, anyway. Obviously we couldn't do it just for a rental player if he was totally uninterested. But he's a superstar now, and as long as we're in the running, that's a fair swap.

McDonagh is an "adequate" #4D with character/leadership attributes. But that doesn't really benefit us in Nashville atm with a non-competitive team.

If we add Samsonov, no real problem, we should be able to flip either him or Lankinen elsewhere? They are both valid NHL goalies, even if not starter material? I wouldn't hold up a deal just based on that goalie end of things anyway.