Rumor: Zadorov has rejected a 4.5m x 4/5 yr offer from Canucks, Both sides want to get a deal done asap

[Canucks LB]

5x5 is fair, I hope he takes it and stays in Vancouver

 

[centipede2233]

If they give Zadorov what he wants, it's just going to be basically Myers 2.0

I get that he had a good playoff, but he's 29 yrs old and has never been more than a #4 defenseman. A chunk of his career he's spent as a #5.

If you want to be a contender and you have Zadorov in your top 4, he has to be the worst player of the 4, meaning the other 3 guys make or will eventually make more money.

Even if the cap is going up, to be able to afford a 6M #4 defenseman and ice one of the best teams in the League, the rest of your cap structure has to be perfect. A million or two might not seem like much, but it can make a big difference when you're trying to improve the team at the cap.

What the Canucks offered was completely fair and it's a shame Z's camp rejected it. But I get it. If he wants the big bucks he should explore FA.

If he gets what he wants, it’s likely that team will never win a cup. I would give him 5.75 mil per , with cap increasing, zadarov has tools that won’t go away as he gets into his 30’s like his shot and his physicality.

 

[dirtydanglez]

the offer was fair imo. i think if anyone gives zadorov his asking price they'll end up regretting it.

 

[Petes2424]

There most definitely will be teams looking at what he could bring to their current D-Core, but it could blow up in a team’s face too. He’s getting paid though. It’s just whether it’s in Vancouver or somewhere else.

Imagine the damage Zadorov could do being Mo Seider’s partner? He’d have a field day lining guys up, and those opportunities would be endless. Every weakness in his game would be protected playing with Mo, and it would allow Seider to open his game up more too. They’d be the hardest pairing to play against in the league.

So there will be several teams interested. He’s one of the few available, even with his faults, who can make a major difference in the right situation, on the right blue line. An actual difference maker.

There’s a BIG “however” with Zadorov though, and unfortunately it is how he sees himself. He’d probably be an absolute flop in Toronto for example. He’d come in, looked at to “carry a pairing”, and that’s always been his recipe for disaster. Zadorov is at his best when he’s protected, because he has a big tendency to try doing way too much, and his recovery skills are let’s say, pretty bad… if we’re being nice.

He’s one of the more rare players who not only protects his own partner, but actually needs protection against himself as well. Usually it’s one way or the other. Chiarot has this exact problem too. He’s great when asked to play a supporting role and he sticks to it, but unfortunately he thinks he’s better than he is, and gets exposed trying to do too much on the ice. Chiarot was great the last 20 games this year playing with Seider, but the first 20 games in 22’-23’ playing with Seider was a disaster. The difference? Someone had a talk with him, and let him know he’s not “the guy” out there. That his role is to support Seider, rather than trying to take control of the pairing. It really is a fine line too. One players like this have to be aware of every shift, or things will go bad.

That’s 100% Zadorov’s same issue. He can be a really good player when he understands and “ACCEPTS” his role. Unfortunately when you’re a UFA teams start promising things they shouldn’t. Then he arrives and coaches quickly understand they can’t give him the type of responsibility he’s looking for, and things go bad. Add a big price tag to that, it can go really bad, really fast.

He found a place in Vancouver who seems to understand how to utilize him. For his own sake, it’s probably a good idea to take less money to stay there, but sometimes things just don’t work out. For those who say “we’ll just sign Tanev for a shorter deal?” Good luck Tanev even hits the market. He’s been a really great fit in Dallas and they’re gonna find money for him to stay there. The fits been too good not to find the money.

Unfortunately the Hronek situation probably doesn’t help in the Zadorov negotiations. You’d like to think they’ll get something done, but who knows. If he does hit the market, he’s gonna have the same issues with many teams. At some point, for his own sake you’d hope he understands “fit” means a whole lot to his success. If it’s just about the money, it’s likely gonna go bad for whatever team he signs with.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

There most definitely will be teams looking at what he could bring to their current D-Core, but it could blow up in a team’s face too. He’s getting paid though. It’s just whether it’s in Vancouver or somewhere else.

Imagine the damage Zadorov could do being Mo Seider’s partner? He’d have a field day lining guys up, and those opportunities would be endless. Every weakness in his game would be protected playing with Mo, and it would allow Seider to open his game up more too. They’d be the hardest pairing to play against in the league.

So there will be several teams interested. He’s one of the few available, even with his faults, who can make a major difference in the right situation, on the right blue line. An actual difference maker.

There’s a BIG “however” with Zadorov though, and unfortunately it is how he sees himself. He’d probably be an absolute flop in Toronto for example. He’d come in, looked at to “carry a pairing”, and that’s always been his recipe for disaster. Zadorov is at his best when he’s protected, because he has a big tendency to try doing way too much, and his recovery skills are let’s say, pretty bad… if we’re being nice.

He’s one of the more rare players who not only protects his own partner, but actually needs protection against himself as well. Usually it’s one way or the other. Chiarot has this exact problem too. He’s great when asked to play a supporting role and he sticks to it, but unfortunately he thinks he’s better than he is, and gets exposed trying to do too much on the ice. Chiarot was great the last 20 games this year playing with Seider, but the first 20 games in 22’-23’ playing with Seider was a disaster. The difference? Someone had a talk with him, and let him know he’s not “the guy” out there. That his role is to support Seider, rather than trying to take control of the pairing. It really is a fine line too. One players like this have to be aware of every shift, or things will go bad.

That’s 100% Zadorov’s same issue. He can be a really good player when he understands and “ACCEPTS” his role. Unfortunately when you’re a UFA teams start promising things they shouldn’t. Then he arrives and coaches quickly understand they can’t give him the type of responsibility he’s looking for, and things go bad. Add a big price tag to that, it can go really bad, really fast.

He found a place in Vancouver who seems to understand how to utilize him. For his own sake, it’s probably a good idea to take less money to stay there, but sometimes things just don’t work out. For those who say “we’ll just sign Tanev for a shorter deal?” Good luck Tanev even hits the market. He’s been a really great fit in Dallas and they’re gonna find money for him to stay there. The fits been too good not to find the money.

Unfortunately the Hronek situation probably doesn’t help in the Zadorov negotiations. You’d like to think they’ll get something done, but who knows. If he does hit the market, he’s gonna have the same issues with many teams. At some point, for his own sake you’d hope he understands “fit” means a whole lot to his success. If it’s just about the money, it’s likely gonna go bad for whatever team he signs with.

When he was trades here a lot of people said his game was mistake filled etc. maybe it was the coaching here, or maybe he was re-energized but there were few times I saw the player described to us. He by all accounts wants to be here and loves the team and staff so I think a deal gets done and people will say that's all?

 

[Thechozen1]

I’m sure he’s looking for between 5-6 million per and someone will probably offer 6 and then regret it. Depending on how badly he’d like to stay in Vancouver, I think they work something out for just over 5.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Big Z likely looks at what Nurse makes and compares his wanted 6M/year. Zadorov is better than Nurse so even at 6M, I'd take him in a short term deal over Nurse.

 

[Zirakzigil]

I think all of this is insane. This is the same player that the Canucks were considering moving for cap space at the deadline. Yeah, hes great in the playoffs when the officiating is relaxed. Come regular season that contract is going to be horribad.

 

[Bond]

I think all of this is insane. This is the same player that the Canucks were considering moving for cap space at the deadline. Yeah, hes great in the playoffs when the officiating is relaxed. Come regular season that contract is going to be horribad.

Yeah, he is a great #5 that can step into the top 4 for short periods but starts to get overwhelmed if he plays there too long. He is a guy I’d want on my team on an appropriate contract but 6x6 would be instant cap dump territory.

 

[Fist of Fury]

Rejected! Perfectly fair offer for Zadorov from Canucks. 31 year old Mayfield got 3.5m/7-years and it doesn't look good. Good luck!

 

[McShogun99]

4.5 is fair for Zadarov. Anything over 5 is to much under the current cap.

 

[HockeyWooot]

It comes down to whether Allvin and co think he has more to give like in the playoffs, or is more or less the 4/5 he has been for the bulk of his career.

It would be a mistake to overpay him, 4.5-5m aav tops.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

I can’t see us going over 5 x 5. He can likely get more on the open market ($5.5-6 x 5/6) so unless he takes a small discount, he’s gone.

 

[Rowlet]

I think all of this is insane. This is the same player that the Canucks were considering moving for cap space at the deadline. Yeah, hes great in the playoffs when the officiating is relaxed. Come regular season that contract is going to be horribad.

That wasn't real. It was the musings of Friedman, the rumour started by saying the Canucks don't have enough space to make a move for Lindholm and might have to move someone out.

However they moved Kuzmenko who many thought was immovable.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Big Z likely looks at what Nurse makes and compares his wanted 6M/year. Zadorov is better than Nurse so even at 6M, I'd take him in a short term deal over Nurse.

Somewhere around 600 players could reach a similar conclusion re Nurse.

 

[Vector]

I think all of this is insane. This is the same player that the Canucks were considering moving for cap space at the deadline. Yeah, hes great in the playoffs when the officiating is relaxed. Come regular season that contract is going to be horribad.

I don't think any of this was actually true. They investigated moving Lindholm to facilitate a Guentzel trade but there was nothing credible to suggest they would move Zadorov.

 

[Rowlet]

I don't think any of this was actually true. They investigated moving Lindholm to facilitate a Guentzel trade but there was nothing credible to suggest they would move Zadorov.

It was Friedman making guesses as the Canucks had to move salary but it was before the Lindholm trade, and they were able to move Kuzmenko.

 

[Bond]

It was Friedman making guesses as the Canucks had to move salary but it was before the Lindholm trade, and they were able to move Kuzmenko.

It was definitely floating out there

 

[Empoleon8771]

Yeah Friedman mentioned on his 32 thoughts that Zadorov may be moved to clear out cap space at the deadline, and there was also this report:



It all ended up moot because he wasn't traded and ended up thriving in the playoffs, but I don't think it can be ignored that he was traded for a 3rd and a 5th earlier this year and was almost traded for cap reasons shortly after.

I think anyone paying him $5 million a year is going to immediately regret it. I think he's at best a #4 defenseman and paying that kind of money to #4 defensemen is crazy. There was another thread here between the Penguins and Canucks that suggested the Canucks trading for Graves, with Canucks fans rightfully saying how bad his deal was. So why would they just give Zadorov, who's roughly the same caliber of player as Graves, the same kind of deal Graves has?

Idk, maybe he was just that good in the playoffs, but I'd rather not sign Zadorov and have to use a 2nd or 3rd every year to acquire a Zadorov type of rental defensemen at the deadline over giving Zadorov a massive risky deal that likely won't age well.

 

[Rowlet]

It was definitely floating out there

Yeah, because people speculated that the Canucks had to make space and then local media ran with it because they want clicks.

They did make room by moving Kuzmenko.

 

[Double Dion]

5x5 is fair, I hope he takes it and stays in Vancouver

I think that's the fair number too. He might be a 4/5 type, but he's a unique and valuable 4/5 type.

 

[Regal]

Yeah Friedman mentioned on his 32 thoughts that Zadorov may be moved to clear out cap space at the deadline, and there was also this report:



It all ended up moot because he wasn't traded and ended up thriving in the playoffs, but I don't think it can be ignored that he was traded for a 3rd and a 5th earlier this year and was almost traded for cap reasons shortly after.

I think anyone paying him $5 million a year is going to immediately regret it. I think he's at best a #4 defenseman and paying that kind of money to #4 defensemen is crazy. There was another thread here between the Penguins and Canucks that suggested the Canucks trading for Graves, with Canucks fans rightfully saying how bad his deal was. So why would they just give Zadorov, who's roughly the same caliber of player as Graves, the same kind of deal Graves has?

Idk, maybe he was just that good in the playoffs, but I'd rather not sign Zadorov and have to use a 2nd or 3rd every year to acquire a Zadorov type of rental defensemen at the deadline over giving Zadorov a massive risky deal that likely won't age well.

I feel like with these players it can be a bit related to fit. Graves fit well on Jersey in ‘23 and would probably have been worth his deal in a similar fit but didn’t seem to fit in Pittsburgh. Zadorov played well to start then had some lulls where it seemed like he wasn't a fit, but played well down the stretch and in the playoffs. I think a lot of fans were similarly lukewarm on Zadorov when he was acquired much like they would be with Graves, but he really endeared himself in the playoffs.

That said, I agree that the playoffs shouldn’t cloud people’s opinions of him too much and get stupid, and even part of the playoff praise was big plays and a swagger. I don’t know if his overall defensive play and puck moving was that much better than in the season beyond the big hits and goals which we can’t expect to continue. I think he could be worth it at 5, but I’m not sure I’d want to take the risk

 

[Double Dion]

It was definitely floating out there

Him being a problem in the room has been out there since Colorado. There were rumors it got so bad in Calgary that Conroy was compelled to move him out for the sake of the room. I still think it was a stupid trade. I don't care that much how much of a problem he was in the room. I think the talk was basically they didn't like how he talked in the media.

 

[Regal]

There most definitely will be teams looking at what he could bring to their current D-Core, but it could blow up in a team’s face too. He’s getting paid though. It’s just whether it’s in Vancouver or somewhere else.

Imagine the damage Zadorov could do being Mo Seider’s partner? He’d have a field day lining guys up, and those opportunities would be endless. Every weakness in his game would be protected playing with Mo, and it would allow Seider to open his game up more too. They’d be the hardest pairing to play against in the league.

So there will be several teams interested. He’s one of the few available, even with his faults, who can make a major difference in the right situation, on the right blue line. An actual difference maker.

There’s a BIG “however” with Zadorov though, and unfortunately it is how he sees himself. He’d probably be an absolute flop in Toronto for example. He’d come in, looked at to “carry a pairing”, and that’s always been his recipe for disaster. Zadorov is at his best when he’s protected, because he has a big tendency to try doing way too much, and his recovery skills are let’s say, pretty bad… if we’re being nice.

He’s one of the more rare players who not only protects his own partner, but actually needs protection against himself as well. Usually it’s one way or the other. Chiarot has this exact problem too. He’s great when asked to play a supporting role and he sticks to it, but unfortunately he thinks he’s better than he is, and gets exposed trying to do too much on the ice. Chiarot was great the last 20 games this year playing with Seider, but the first 20 games in 22’-23’ playing with Seider was a disaster. The difference? Someone had a talk with him, and let him know he’s not “the guy” out there. That his role is to support Seider, rather than trying to take control of the pairing. It really is a fine line too. One players like this have to be aware of every shift, or things will go bad.

That’s 100% Zadorov’s same issue. He can be a really good player when he understands and “ACCEPTS” his role. Unfortunately when you’re a UFA teams start promising things they shouldn’t. Then he arrives and coaches quickly understand they can’t give him the type of responsibility he’s looking for, and things go bad. Add a big price tag to that, it can go really bad, really fast.

He found a place in Vancouver who seems to understand how to utilize him. For his own sake, it’s probably a good idea to take less money to stay there, but sometimes things just don’t work out. For those who say “we’ll just sign Tanev for a shorter deal?” Good luck Tanev even hits the market. He’s been a really great fit in Dallas and they’re gonna find money for him to stay there. The fits been too good not to find the money.

Unfortunately the Hronek situation probably doesn’t help in the Zadorov negotiations. You’d like to think they’ll get something done, but who knows. If he does hit the market, he’s gonna have the same issues with many teams. At some point, for his own sake you’d hope he understands “fit” means a whole lot to his success. If it’s just about the money, it’s likely gonna go bad for whatever team he signs with.

There’s been a lot of chatter that Tanev wants to come back and the players that played with him pushed for management to bring him back at the deadline. He certainly might prefer to stay on a team that might win the cup this year, but if he comes to Van I don’t think it would be because Dallas couldn’t find the money, it would be because he just wants to be a Canuck.

 

[Rowlet]

There’s been a lot of chatter that Tanev wants to come back and the players that played with him pushed for management to bring him back at the deadline. He certainly might prefer to stay on a team that might win the cup this year, but if he comes to Van I don’t think it would be because Dallas couldn’t find the money, it would be because he just wants to be a Canuck.

or because he'd rather win a cup in Vancouver than by trying to guess the right team out of 16 who could win it all in July.