What happens to Timo Meier now? (10M Qualifying Offer)

[sting101]

Timo is 27 next season. He can take this arbitration and go for a higher AAV next contract, but I also believe he loses out on term. He's pretty much guaranteed an 8 year deal this summer. Next summer I think term will come at cost. The difference in after-tax income after this many years will end up being negligible. If he wants to stay I think he extends this summer for 8 x $8.25-$8.5M.

The age factor doesn't apply to Bratt, who is a few years younger.

Yes he likely takes a deal similar to what Horvat took in NY. I wouldn't get too hung up on the QO the rules have changed and if he wants to play hardball then he'll end up losing money and being passed around with a lot of uncertainty of being in a winning program.

NJ is loaded and playing with Hughes and Hischier should be more than enough to entice him to play ball. I would think all of that was considered anyway before they made such a massive trade.

 

[pld459666]

Meier is in a very good position.

If he smart, he leverages this to at least 72 over 8 years.

 

[StreetHawk]

The Devils gave up 2 1st round picks for Meier. He underperformed in the playoffs and now has a 10M qualifying offer. Giving him that qualifying offer would make him the highest paid player on the Devils next season. The Devils still have to re-sign Bratt (or trade him), and basically half of their forwards.

He can take that 10M qualifying offer straight into UFA and is under no obligation to take a discount or re-sign with the Devils. It's a similar situation Tkachuk was in last year with the Flames, but a higher qualifying offer.

Can we see Meier moved this offseason?

Players will take long term guaranteed money at a lower cap hit than 1 year at $10 million and take their chances on the upcoming season. Landy has a messed up knee now, but at least he got his last big contract already.

Meier has a tonne of leverage in the upcoming negotiations. He'll be able to get a number he wants from NJ if he does long term. Otherwise, he can sign the QO. Or NJ can try to take him to arbitration hoping to drop that $10 mill QO down. But, his regular season numbers probably wouldn't warrant much or any decrease from the QO.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

8 years $64M

Anything with a 9 or above is going to get ugly.

 

[Forge]

Meier is in a very good position.

If he smart, he leverages this to at least 72 over 8 years.

The crappy thing for me personally is that I totally get this contract, and I don't view it as bad in either direction, but man I have some real concerns about Timo long term lol. He just doesn't play a game that I think is going to age very gracefully.

 

[AvroArrow]

Hes not getting 10m, he wont take his QO, and he wasnt a disappointment in the playoffs; also the Devils only gave one 1st round pick, in 2023

Hell probably settle between 8.5-9 for 6-8 years

Interesting take.

 

[sxvnert]

Simple solution. Qualify him at 10m, then try to resign him after Jan 1st. If hes hell bent on going to UFA, trade him at the deadline (retain some of his salary or through a third party) to recoup assets. Giving him a long term deal after that pitiful playoff showing is extremely risky.

 

[pld459666]

The crappy thing for me personally is that I totally get this contract, and I don't view it as bad in either direction, but man I have some real concerns about Timo long term lol. He just doesn't play a game that I think is going to age very gracefully.

Fair concern. He has shown to be durable, and for the initial 3-5 years that should hold true. Later in the deal is where it gets dicey.

Devils are also in a pretty enviable position in that they can keep both Meier and Bratt long term but may have to sacrifice a good glue guy(s) like Haula and Wood.

 

[minibrodeur]

Why would the devs give up that much if they didn't plan/think they could resign him? While the devil's has a good season, the precipice of this trade wasn't an all in for a playoff run or two. He's pretty much top priority and our GM is too smart to let him go. The QO is Meier's bargaining chip, if he takes the QO offer this year he loses his leverage. He will resign in NJ, bookmark it.

From Fitz

"The goal here is to extend him. The goal is for him to fall in love with New Jersey — the on-ice product, the players, the age group, the living.

We travel the least out of every NHL team other than the neighbors here. So it’s just a lot to sell and that’s our goal. When he comes here, he’s gonna fall in love with it and understand that Newark to Zurich is nonstop five-and-a-half hours, so we’ll have family over for him."

 

[Breakers]

He was patient zero with the those ridiculous qualifying offers.

GM’s stood strong on not allowing it, then this garbage happened.

 

[frederixx]

He's worth 7.5-8M IMO. Probably closer to 7.5 with the playoffs he's had.

I don't really see the Devils going higher than 8.25.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

the idea is to rebalance the team. carolina exposed a lot of weaknesses in nj. the idea to move bratt is to free up money and assets to address new jerseys softness, goaltending, and defense. the last thing the devils need is a one dimensional scoring winger, the devils already have above average scoring.

Bratt is far from one dimensional and is a key play driver for our offense... Carolina exposed Hamilton and Vanacek,.

Getting rid of Hamilton, letting Schmid take over as 1G, and letting Hughes/Nemec step in on D solved those issues.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Bratt is far from one dimensional and is a key play driver for our offense... Carolina exposed Hamilton and Vanacek,.

Getting rid of Hamilton, letting Schmid take over as 1G, and letting Hughes/Nemec step in on D solved those issues.

what is your d going to be without hamilton?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

what is your d going to be without hamilton?

Much much better. He's terrible.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Much much better. He's terrible.

i mean your lineup. no hamilton and the devs have a couple free agents i think. what lineup would they ice. it seems like that might be a bad idea.

hamilton had to play the tough minutes behind bad goaltending and against a clearly superior team. i dont think there is any scenario where he comes out of that series looking good.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

i mean your lineup. no hamilton and the devs have a couple free agents i think. what lineup would they ice. it seems like that might be a bad idea.

hamilton had to play the tough minutes behind bad goaltending and against a superior team. i dont think there is any scenario where he comes out of that series looking good.

He didn't play the tough minutes though.

Hughes - Marino
Siegenthaler - Nemec
UFA - Bahl

 

[beowulf]

Devils should have no doubts about a long term deal. His advanced stats were still great, and the goals will come. He’s still an elite winger in his prime.

It's less that than is he worth $10M+ which is his QA. He likely will sign long term but at a lower AAV than the $10M

 

[dirtydanglez]

He didn't play the tough minutes though.

Hughes - Marino
Siegenthaler - Nemec
UFA - Bahl

2 rookies in the top 4? that seems like a bad idea imo.

 

[NHL Fanatik]

Meier is supposed to be a game changer.

There’s no way anyone can be happy with his performance

Devils fans are, which is the only fanbase that matters in this

two 1sts Shakir Mukhamadullin is a recent 20th overall

One 1st, you dont get to change reality

Why is he settling in this scenario?

Because QO history shows us big name players dont make it that far and always sign

Why would he not take his QO and then hit the open market and choose what team he signs with at the same salary you listed?

Because no player does that; can you name even one, let alone a star?

Interesting take.

Luckily theres more to hockey than points

 

[Forge]

He's worth 7.5-8M IMO. Probably closer to 7.5 with the playoffs he's had.

I don't really see the Devils going higher than 8.25.

His playoffs were 11 games. It's really not going to have an impact on his negotiations for a long term deal.

7.5 is a pipe dream based on recent contracts, imo. That's just not a realistic open market value

2 rookies in the top 4? that seems like a bad idea imo.

And Bahl on his off side

 

[NHL Fanatik]

Much much better. He's terrible.

Now come on Whiskey, you know Dougie isnt going anywhere lmao

 

[StewieP19]

The Devils are built to start winning now with that young roster we have, I don't think they went out there, paid the big price to acquire him just to let him go. Draft picks won't do much for us right now in the direction we are headed.

But your offer is not a bad one say they were to take picks, maybe add Chicago's 2nd this year

I really feel sorry for Hawks fans they will have Bedard but nothing around him.
Hawks front office need to push to get some players to play with him.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Devils should have no doubts about a long term deal. His advanced stats were still great, and the goals will come. He’s still an elite winger in his prime.

He's a selfish and low IQ player who will take low percentage shots from anywhere in the OZ

 

[NYRKing]

Bratt is far from one dimensional and is a key play driver for our offense... Carolina exposed Hamilton and Vanacek,.

Getting rid of Hamilton, letting Schmid take over as 1G, and letting Hughes/Nemec step in on D solved those issues.

Agree 100%. Hamilton obviously he is going nowhere but the D needs to be addressed until Hughes/Nemec can take the next step. He’s a regular season hero not made for playoffs imo unless he is extremely insulated.

Unless Meier really puts a stronghold on negotiations -don’t think that happens- he and Bratt will be signed long term.

 

[wonton15]

He's probably right in the middle between 7.5 and 10.