What happens to Timo Meier now? (10M Qualifying Offer)

[D3vilsH0ck3y]

This thread is straight up bizzare and shows how little people know about the devils organization. Tom Fitzgerald is not an idiot, in fact he is a top 5 GM in this league imo.

There is no way he makes the Meier trade without being sure they would get a deal done. Timo was extremely noticeable and brought his gritty powders forward game to the playoffs. He was legit the only forward to bring a skill/grit style of play night in and night out (McLeod was great but no where near Timo’s Skill). Were the points there? No they weren’t what I wanted but he was awesome in the rangers series getting under the skin of the fans and Igor.

He seems like a streaky goal scorer and I am very confident with a full off-season/time to settle here over the summer in NJ he will be a force next season. I give Meier the money 10/10 times before Bratt. Contrary to some other fans on here that are hoping he won’t do their team has a shot, Timo will sign this summer, I guarantee it.

The devils core going forward is…
Jack/Nico/Mercer/Timo/Bratt(maybe)
Marino/Luke/Nemec/Dougie(unfortunately)

Bratt is the one with the big questions around what Fitz should do.

Also anyone want Hamilton for free?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Devils fans are, which is the only fanbase that matters in this


One 1st, you dont get to change reality


Because QO history shows us big name players dont make it that far and always sign


Because no player does that; can you name even one, let alone a star?


Luckily theres more to hockey than points

What is so hard to understand? they traded Shakir Mukhamadullin who was selected 20th overall in he 2020 draft and then another 1st. that's makes 2x 1sts
not like this is a prospect selected in the 2017 draft 2020 was just a short while ago and Mukhamadullin is further developed but still counts as a 1st

 

[NjDevsRR]

Lmfao. You are all too much. What a sad, sorry, fake narrative filled thread.

Meier was our best and most consistent forward outside of Jack. Took everything to the net, set up many great plays, pushed play, was a physical menace, game in and game out.

Igor robbed him on a few occasions in round 1. Who the f*** cares, he is a great goalie. Then Timo returns after getting freight trained and had another good series against Carolina.


This is a guy all Devils fans want to go to war with for the foreseeable future. I have zero concerns that Fitz won’t get him at a fair deal.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Now come on Whiskey, you know Dougie isnt going anywhere lmao

Doesn't mean I can't wish it to be true

 

[ManofSteel55]

I think if I’m guaranteed 10 mil and UFA as a rare piece like a 30+ goal scoring power forward I take the risk.

Not sure why I take a discount to a team I barely know who has endless cap space.

Also let’s factor in Ruff dropping Timo to L3 regularly.

Yeah, I think I mentioned in another post that it all depends on if he wants the security of an 8 year, 65M+ deal, or if he thinks he can do better by taking 10M or on the free agent market. If he wants to win, there is also risk in trying to go to arbitration, as the team can walk away, which means going to a new team again, which is fine, other than the fact that the teams with enough cap space to give him more than what NJ might be offering is pretty small, and mostly teams that likely aren't playoff teams for a couple more years. Buffalo is probably the only team with the space to add him that could be a playoff team with him added to the mix.

 

[Fatass]

Lmfao. You are all too much. What a sad, sorry, fake narrative filled thread.

Meier was our best and most consistent forward outside of Jack. Took everything to the net, set up many great plays, pushed play, was a physical menace, game in and game out.

Igor robbed him on a few occasions in round 1. Who the f*** cares, he is a great goalie. Then Timo returns after getting freight trained and had another good series against Carolina.


This is a guy all Devils fans want to go to war with for the foreseeable future. I have zero concerns that Fitz won’t get him at a fair deal.

What about he signs for 8 years at a number just below Jack Hughes?

 

[Gurglesons]

Yeah, I think I mentioned in another post that it all depends on if he wants the security of an 8 year, 65M+ deal, or if he thinks he can do better by taking 10M or on the free agent market. If he wants to win, there is also risk in trying to go to arbitration, as the team can walk away, which means going to a new team again, which is fine, other than the fact that the teams with enough cap space to give him more than what NJ might be offering is pretty small, and mostly teams that likely aren't playoff teams for a couple more years. Buffalo is probably the only team with the space to add him that could be a playoff team with him added to the mix.

I think there are a lot of teams that would spend a lot of money to get Timo Meier signed to their team as a top six power forward.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

. There is no doubt he was a major disappointment, anyone saying otherwise is rationalizing.

There absolutely is doubt. Anyone saying otherwise probably watched him throughout the playoffs. And maybe saw some of the analytics.

Sure would’ve liked more production but he was doing all the right things and created a ton of chances for himself and others. Had some pretty shit luck

There’s risk that his playoff performance is truly indicative of how he will perform in a full season with the Devils

if he performs next season like he did in the playoffs the devils will be very happy and his production will look very good.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Lmfao. You are all too much. What a sad, sorry, fake narrative filled thread.

Meier was our best and most consistent forward outside of Jack. Took everything to the net, set up many great plays, pushed play, was a physical menace, game in and game out.

Igor robbed him on a few occasions in round 1. Who the f*** cares, he is a great goalie. Then Timo returns after getting freight trained and had another good series against Carolina.


This is a guy all Devils fans want to go to war with for the foreseeable future. I have zero concerns that Fitz won’t get him at a fair deal.

Meier wasn't a factor or really noticeable at all in the Ranger series, and really the Hurricanes series.

Even a guy like Mike McLeod was more imapctful and noticeable than Meier.

 

[fasterthanlight]

The QO was never a real problem, I'm sure he'll sign a mutually beneficial contract with NJ.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Hes not getting 10m, he wont take his QO, and he wasnt a disappointment in the playoffs; also the Devils only gave one 1st round pick, in 2023

Hell probably settle between 8.5-9 for 6-8 years

He was absolutely a disappointment in the playoffs.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Granted that is a bet and a gamble. But does he turn from an 8.5-9 million per player to an 11-13? million dollar player with the cap increase and more teams potentially in on him?

The cap increase doesn’t do that much. 4-6M more total possibly leaves an extra 500k for him. 1M at most

 

[NjDevsRR]

Meier wasn't a factor or really noticeable at all in the Ranger series, and really the Hurricanes series.

I mean, this isn’t factual and not worthy of the dozens of metrics and dozens of eye test examples to disprove you.

 

[biturbo19]

I think more than an underwhelming playoffs, if i'm New Jersey, i'm questioning the fit overall. His production was down noticeably after the trade. Part of it may have been ol' Lindy with the line blender, but he just never really seemed to "click" with either of the Devils two core center icemen. It's one of those fits that looked perfect on paper, but on the ice...the actual chemistry seemed really lacking to me.


I still think that given what the Devils paid to acquire him, they could actually still flip him and pursue someone else at this point. They shockingly didn't give up any really key pieces. So sending him somewhere else, they could probably still get back a good collection of picks/prospects/young players to match that initial price. Reallocate those assets to try to acquire someone else, or even potentially a couple wingers for the cap hit Meier would have.

However...once that new extension is in place, he immediately becomes a lot more difficult to trade and recoup costs. They'll be fully committed to him as a "core piece" and he'll be paid like it based on his extremely high QO and seasons of productivity as leverage. Just seems like a fish or cut bait sort of threshold for NJ. Realistically though, it's probably a situation where teams/GMs don't walk back that sort of major trade. So they'll probably walk down that road further and commit to him as a "core piece" even if he doesn't really end up finding a great fit.



I just think they'd be better off moving him to another team looking for what he promised on paper and delivered in San Jose. Then pivoting to some other options to see if they can find some better chemistry with Hughes/Hischier somewhere.


Swap him out for some combination of guys like Josh Anderson/Brock Boeser/Blake Wheeler/Alex DeBrincat/Viktor Arvidsson and/or even try for a guy like Patrick Kane/Tarasenko in UFA to bring in some playoff experience. Or even just keep mining the same vein that worked with Palat and try to bring in Killorn, assuming he hits the market. I don't think it'd be unrealistic to move Meier for a bunch of assets and find a way to acquire/sign a pair of those sort of guys and see if they find better chemistry with Hughes/Nico.

But i expect they'll just sign him to a big $9M max term extension and call it a day.

 

[StreetHawk]

His playoffs were 11 games. It's really not going to have an impact on his negotiations for a long term deal.

7.5 is a pipe dream based on recent contracts, imo. That's just not a realistic open market value


And Bahl on his off side

Horvat and Larkin landed around $8.5 mill per on their deals. I wouldn't guess lower than that for him.

 

[JaegerDice]

Blackhawks should give him one year at 10mil or so, then trade him at 50% retained at the TDL. They have the money to overpay.

 

[Guffman]

I suspect he accepts the QO and gets signed to an extension early 2024. Something in the 8 Million range.

I view the $10M QO simply as a way to allow Timo to access the market one year earlier. It doesn't make sense for a team to qualify him at that number. If the Devils qualify him for a 1 year, 10M AAV contract, all that does is keep him for a single, overpriced year and then he's a UFA. WHY would you do that? Do you not have a better way to spend your salary cap numbers?

Either Timo signs a long-term deal with the Devils or the Devils just let him go to market... unless Devils fans thinks spending $10M as a 1-year rental makes ANY sense (I would be surprised if they thought it made sense).

 

[Filthy Dangles]

I mean, this isn’t factual and not worthy of the dozens of metrics and dozens of eye test examples to disprove you.

Well it's pointless to argue, a lot of people who watched the games saw it similarly.

And whether he was good or disappointing over a small albeit important sample size, is likely irrelevant to how he'll perform going forward

 

[Drury_Sakic]

The cap increase doesn’t do that much. 4-6M more total possibly leaves an extra 500k for him. 1M at most

Its not just the cap increase, its that MORE teams can bid. The % of the cap and cap hit is not what is at play. Its the bidders.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Meier wasn't a factor or really noticeable at all in the Ranger series, and really the Hurricanes series.

Even a guy like Mike McLeod was more imapctful and noticeable than Meier.

Is that a fact?

 

[Guffman]

Simple solution. Qualify him at 10m, then try to resign him after Jan 1st. If hes hell bent on going to UFA, trade him at the deadline (retain some of his salary or through a third party) to recoup assets. Giving him a long term deal after that pitiful playoff showing is extremely risky.

Sooo... if you trade him for assets at the TDL, you now have a hole in your roster. You now use those assets to try and plug the hole.

Seems silly. Not hard to get the player to decide NOW if he will make a long-term commitment or not. If he doesn't, do the Devils want a $10M rental?

 

[Guffman]

He was patient zero with the those ridiculous qualifying offers.

GM’s stood strong on not allowing it, then this garbage happened.

Timo was coming off of a 66 point/78 game season when he signed the contract. His actual salary was only $14M over three years. The big QO can be viewed simply as giving Timo a way to get to UFA market one year earlier since it was unlikely anyone would exercise it. Not a bad deal for having a smaller compensation package for the first three years.

Honestly, if I was Timo, I am not giving any sort of discount to the Devils. With the weak UFA market, he can force a premium from the Devils or if the Devils are silly, earn $10M on a QO (damn expensive rental).

Hang tough, Timo! Make your money!

 

[Forge]

Horvat and Larkin landed around $8.5 mill per on their deals. I wouldn't guess lower than that for him.

My hope has been 8.25 - 8.5. But I also wouldn't remotely be shocked if it's 9. With Laine at 8.7 and Barzal at 9.1, I definitely don't think its wrong of Timo to shoot for that

 

[NHL Fanatik]

What is so hard to understand? they traded Shakir Mukhamadullin who was selected 20th overall in he 2020 draft and then another 1st. that's makes 2x 1sts
not like this is a prospect selected in the 2017 draft 2020 was just a short while ago and Mukhamadullin is further developed but still counts as a 1st

Shakir Mukhamadullin is not a 1st round pick in a future draft

The Devils did not give up two 1st round picks until they make an ECF, which is unlikely next year given the turnover of roster talent

Nothings hard to understand when you choose to not muddle things

 

[DevilsHughes86]

I really feel sorry for Hawks fans they will have Bedard but nothing around him.
Hawks front office need to push to get some players to play with him.

Going to take time for them that's for sure, and then they're going to have to hope that in a year or two players will want to play there with Bedard