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Meier had a better xGF% in these playoffs than Rantanen, Aho, Marner, Nylander, Horvat, Draisaitl, McDavid to name a few. He didnt get the bounces...sometimes it happens over a 5-10 game stretch. He still played well.
What happens to Timo Meier now? (10M Qualifying Offer)
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Meier had a better xGF% in these playoffs than Rantanen, Aho, Marner, Nylander, Horvat, Draisaitl, McDavid to name a few. He didnt get the bounces...sometimes it happens over a 5-10 game stretch. He still played well.
Seems the difference here is that non Devils fans are under the impression that Meier is some kind of elite player, and thus disappointed that he didn't play like one. He's never been a particularly special point producer and he was as advertised without the puck, more or less the entire reason they traded for him. He like every Devil couldn't beat Shesterkin but he was basically on brand vs Andersen. Hopefully they don't give him anywhere near the 9M, but I would prefer Meier over Bratt.
Based on his scoring taking a sharp decline.
Based on his scoring taking a sharp decline. I get that stats and scoring are not everything, but it’s a pretty important indicator.
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It didn't take a "sharp" decline. He scored at a 36 goal pace after being traded to NJ.....
I like how all these fans of other teams are worried about Meier. He isn't going to hit the market and he isn't going to play for your team.
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I mean, you're an expert in what disappointing star 1st liners look like so we'll defer to your take for sure.
Hope you can learn to draft one at some point.
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Dylan Larkin signed for $8.7M, Bo Horvat for $8.5M, Jordan Kyrou, Robert Thomas and Tomas Hertl are all making over $8M. If you think you're getting a high end forward for anything under $8M in this market you're crazy.
Not to mention he brings exactly what NJD showed they packed in the PO’s which is physicality.
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Dont raise the cap. Its about GMs that doing bad contracts, calculating on the cap raising. The problem is GMs, not cap.
Nowadays, 5 million a year is a standard contract, wich is insane money, even just 10 years ago that was star salary. Contracts is influating more than economy inflation. Like 70% inflation. 8 million a year is soon a legit contract, wich is nuts.
Make more sorts of buyouts instead.
Diffrent penalties, like Forfeited draftpicks, cap spread over a longer time period - but higher real money.
Ban waterproof buyput contracts like Clarkson, Lucic and Tavares contracts. Those are a real problem.
Like if JT gets bought out, clean out that waterproof thing, and they get 50% in cap of his contract for 4 years.
And 50% real money.
Make it simplier.
Edit: an idea is , when a contract hits the final 2 years, the buyout makes 40% of the org cap, but spread out on 5 years. An extra year instead.
Lower the max contract limit to 12 million.
And raise the cap floor to avoid tanking teams - reward competing bottom teams somehow instead.
Like teams 1-10 should have the almost exact same chance on draft lottery, no high increased odds for top 4.
And if there had been a team got 1st overall recently, that team is out of 1st overall next three years.
11-15 should be close to competing for playoff.
Edit: A way could be 1-10 rated teams gets swapped in draftorder in 2nd round.
Team ranked 10th gets 33rd overall, and so on.
And max length contracts should be 6 years.
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Signs a contract for his value level?
Why do people think these QO's are the end of the world to teams. Players and agents know roughly what ballpark they are in, and I am more than sure that Meier and his agent know he isn't getting 10 annually. Devils can just qualify him at that, and Timo just refuses to sign. You just have to say you are qualifying a player at whatever their QO is, and it is up to the player to accept it. Most of the time, the player signs well under that because they want term, or they get traded to another team for a deal. A player like Timo who is close to UFA wants lots of money over a long time, and a 1X10 is likely not appealing in that scenario as a player can get hurt at any moment and career over.
Why do people think these QO's are the end of the world to teams. Players and agents know roughly what ballpark they are in, and I am more than sure that Meier and his agent know he isn't getting 10 annually. Devils can just qualify him at that, and Timo just refuses to sign. You just have to say you are qualifying a player at whatever their QO is, and it is up to the player to accept it. Most of the time, the player signs well under that because they want term, or they get traded to another team for a deal. A player like Timo who is close to UFA wants lots of money over a long time, and a 1X10 is likely not appealing in that scenario as a player can get hurt at any moment and career over.
Well I suppose if you look at it that way it appears reasonable…
But, he really only scored 2 goals and 4 points in 11 playoff games, and had a total of 18 points in 32 gp (46 point pace over 82gp). That is a fairly sharp drop from the 75 pt over 82gp pace that he was scoring on with SJS.
And, as a Canucks fan, I can assure you my comments don’t stem from any ambition whatsoever in obtaining Meier. We have too many wingers as it is, and I certainly wouldn’t want to be overpaying another.
If you think Meier played up to a 8-9 mil standard with NJ, and you think he’s worth that, then I wish you the best of luck signing him and I hope it works out. To me, to pay a winger that kind of money, he needs to be at that PPG pace, and since Meier hasn’t been close to that as a Devil yet, I’d consider it as a bit of a risk.
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meier went from 0.92 points per game in sjs to 0.67 points per game in new jersey to 0.36 points per game in the playoffs. you could say it's a small sample size but thats a very very obvious decline.
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meier is a good player but yea there is a bit of risk to it. the drop in production and disappearing in the playoffs is worrying. $8 to 9 million doesn't buy what it used to tho and id expect him to get that anywhere else.
Meier will be happy with around 8m… jersey is the perfect situation for him, direct flights for his family to Zurich…
He likes that Jersey has Siegenthaler, Hischier and Schmid, he will not walk.
Trade him to the Avs for Girard and the 27OA. Or Toews straight across for an hockey trade. Avs signs him to a 8.5 x 8 contract.
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Many on HF also have a weird habit of downplaying lack of production. He's not out there to produce "advanced" stats or be a decoy. He's out there to put up points.
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When you produce the "advanced stats", the real production is likely to follow. That's why people monitor it. It's about evaluating the process and the results.
Hockey can be streaky. Timo didn't score his first goal of the year until game ten and had one in his first 11. He finished the year with 2 in 11. It happens
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Zajacs Bowl Cut
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will Panarin be let go this summer? Since he didnt "put up points" in the playoffs?
see how stupid that sounds?
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It doesnt always follow
The leafs core 4 dominate advance stats and possession chances but all fall of a cliff from reg season to playoffs in ppg
Meier could be of the same variety
Panarin is a repeated poor playoff performer whose starting to decline and isnt worth near his contract
