What happens to Timo Meier now? (10M Qualifying Offer)

[dirtydanglez]

It seems pretty logical to wait until you see the player play in the playoffs before making any decision about him.

agreed. that's why im so surprised. never understood how he was 100% lock to extend before.

 

[Advanced stats]

Hes not getting 10m, he wont take his QO, and he wasnt a disappointment in the playoffs; also the Devils only gave one 1st round pick, in 2023

Hell probably settle between 8.5-9 for 6-8 years

Why would he not take his QO and then hit the open market and choose what team he signs with at the same salary you listed?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Fiala's contract( 7 x 7.85) should be a gauge. I don't see that Meier is a better player.

How so? 1 season 30 goal scorer vs a 30 and 40 goals consecutive seasons power forward. 1 has better stats and plays a game that more teams covet.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

It seems pretty logical to wait until you see the player play in the playoffs before making any decision about him.

Yeah, trade him because he was up and down in his first postseason against two extremely stingy teams.

That's incredibly short sighted.

Dude had a 4.35% on ice shooting percentage and shot at 4% on an individual level.

If we are trading anyone it should be Hamilton. Frees up a spot on the backend and a 9M anchor. Unfortunately we stupidly gave him a NMC...

 

[HBK27]

Both have been really underwhelming in the playoffs, but I think they try to trade Bratt and sign Meier.

At least Meier is big (220 lbs) and has shown the ability to provide some grit in the past.

Bratt was pretty clear the way his last negociations went he has no desire to commit long term in NJ. He is also small.

Not sure they'll find a team willing to give a lot for a small winger like Bratt... I think they'll try to get the DeBrincat deal, but they end up with a mid to late 1st + prospect for a signed Bratt. DeBrincat was scoring a lot of goals vs Bratt.

Bratt didn't sign long-term because he didn't get the number he wanted, not because he has no desire to commit long term in NJ. He bet on himself...and I'm not quite sure it paid off. Decent enough stats in the regular season, but he underperformed in the playoffs.

I still think they try to sign him long-term if the two sides can come together on a reasonable deal for both. It's clear though that Meier is the priority between the two - he was significantly better than Bratt in the playoffs, despite the points not being there.

 

[bleedgreen]

When talking about a player you were going to extend for 8 years, I highly doubt one rough playoff changes anyone’s mind about anything. It’s his first with his brand new team that he hasn’t gelled with yet.

I would be shocked if they changed their mind about him based on anything that happens this season, unless it’s something to do with the guy in the locker room. Which I also doubt.

 

[57special]

How so? 1 season 30 goal scorer vs a 30 and 40 goals consecutive seasons power forward. 1 has better stats and plays a game that more teams covet.

Sorta cherry picking your stats, there.
Fiala was over a PPG this season, Meier is under. Fiala scored 6 points during the playoffs in 3gp, Meier 4 points in 11 gp.
People still seem to think that Fiala plays an effete game due to his smaller stature, but the guy is built, and is very hard to knock off the puck. Meier is vg, and a bit stronger, but Fiala is quicker, and has better passing and puck carrying skills. I don't see a big difference between the two- I think Fiala is a more impactful player myself, but they are both 1st line wingers of the same age (when they signed their contracts).

 

[MOGlLNY]

8x8.5

 

[Zubrus Coffee Maker]

I have no problem locking up Timo and Bratt to long term deals.The Devils spent round 1 against the best goalie in the playoffs, and they spent round 2 against the best 5 on 5 team in the playoffs.

Timo gave the team a huge jolt in physicality and toughness. I expect his production to go up next season with a full training camp to learn the system and find his role within it.

The strength of this Devils team is in its forward core, keeping a 70 point 24 year old and a 40 goal scoring power forward is a no brainer. Don’t overreact based off one playoff run, these guys are still getting better and learning.

The team isn’t at the level of the Hurricanes yet, that’s fine. They’re still young and improving. Stay the course, keep your identified core, and worry about the real problems (Hamilton and Palat contracts) later

 

[Lempo]

Why would he not take his QO and then hit the open market and choose what team he signs with at the same salary you listed?

If he should have underwhelming 2023-24 or a serious injury, he probably won't get that. People tend to be risk aversive and NJ is up and coming team. Lots of reasons to leverage his exceptional QO and go long term now.

 

[Guffman]

Why would he not take his QO and then hit the open market and choose what team he signs with at the same salary you listed?

He could but it’s a gamble (what if he sustains a major injury, what if he has a bad season).

NJ just seems like a good fit for him though. I’m sure they’ll figure out an acceptable long-term contract.

 

[innitfam]

70M over 8 years IMO

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Sorta cherry picking your stats, there.
Fiala was over a PPG this season, Meier is under. Fiala scored 6 points during the playoffs in 3gp, Meier 4 points in 11 gp.
People still seem to think that Fiala plays an effete game due to his smaller stature, but the guy is built, and is very hard to knock off the puck. Meier is vg, and a bit stronger, but Fiala is quicker, and has better passing and puck carrying skills. I don't see a big difference between the two- I think Fiala is a more impactful player myself, but they are both 1st line wingers of the same age (when they signed their contracts).

Yea cherry picking the stats that teams and agents use for contracts.

No one said Fiala wasn’t any of those things. But he isn’t comparable to Meier especially at goal scoring, which is highly coveted.

The most important point, had Fiala had a 2nd season of 30+ goals he would have gotten more money too.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Yeah, trade him because he was up and down in his first postseason against two extremely stingy teams.

That's incredibly short sighted.

Dude had a 4.35% on ice shooting percentage and shot at 4% on an individual level.

If we are trading anyone it should be Hamilton. Frees up a spot on the backend and a 9M anchor. Unfortunately we stupidly gave him a NMC...

the idea is to rebalance the team. carolina exposed a lot of weaknesses in nj. the idea to move bratt is to free up money and assets to address new jerseys softness, goaltending, and defense. the last thing the devils need is a one dimensional scoring winger, the devils already have above average scoring.

 

[Djp]

It can turn into a second 1st rounder if the Devils make the ECF next year with some weird conditions of Meier playing 50% of some games in the playoffs.

If the devils trade him to a different team and he meets thst criteria…does the new team or devils sacrifice the 1st?

 

[Shark Finn]

If the devils trade him to a different team and he meets thst criteria…does the new team or devils sacrifice the 1st?

I wish I knew the details. I don't think it applies if he's not with the Devils.

 

[MakoSlade]

I suspect he accepts the QO and gets signed to an extension early 2024. Something in the 8 Million range.

 

[Stephen]

Devils fans probably won’t like to hear this as an option. But I would look past the perceived pressure point and let Meier go to UFA if it means having to qualify him or sign him more than you want to. Don’t think of the trade a sunk cost. Just keep the cap clean and spend that money elsewhere this summer.

 

[McShogun99]

He's not worth 9+, even 8+ is a stretch. NJD should let other teams negotiate with him and trade him to whatever team reaches a deal.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Devils fans probably won’t like to hear this as an option. But I would look past the perceived pressure point and let Meier go to UFA if it means having to qualify him or sign him more than you want to. Don’t think of the trade a sunk cost. Just keep the cap clean and spend that money elsewhere this summer.

There's no better way to spend that cap space. Devils will qualify him if absolutely necessary, but I believe both sides will reach agreement on a long term deal.

 

[pld459666]

Devils have the cap room to bring him back.

Question is, and some organizations kind of do this, are they looking to make sure that their best player is setting the bar for contracts, or are they willing to exceed Jack's AAV to keep Meier??

I have no doubt the Devils are going to push hard to bring him back, but its got to make sense for them as well.

 

[Zynbanejad]

Timo is worth however much he wants, but I don't think he's a good fit on the Devils. He just didn't look the same. Might be the system. Not sure, but something changed. I imagine he'd look the same on another team, but it's hard to say.

 

[Inno]

8.5, same as Horvat.

 

[Kranix]

Timo is worth however much he wants, but I don't think he's a good fit on the Devils. He just didn't look the same. Might be the system. Not sure, but something changed. I imagine he'd look the same on another team, but it's hard to say.

5v5, 3rd in Shots in the playoffs, (with an individual SH% of 3.3%), 2nd in iSCF, 1st in iHDCF.
On ice SH% 8.33. He was fine. He's elite. Pay him. They won't find another like him in UFA.

 

[Forge]

Fiala's contract( 7 x 7.85) should be a gauge. I don't see that Meier is a better player.

I think Timo will get a slight premium just because he's more of a goal scorer and I believe that carries more weight in negotiations. Same bucket of overall production though.

If you're Timo's camp, you can just as easily throw Laine out as a comp as well, I think. Ultimately that's why I think it gets done at 8.25 - 8.5

Fiala is a really, really good baseline comp for the Bratt contract though. Maybe a slight uptick based on cap inflation but it should be pretty close.

These playoffs are gonna save NJ a little bit of money in contract negotiations. Unfortunately Severson is as good as gone, he was our best defensmen by far.

I don't think so at all. It's a 12 game sample (11 for Timo).