Trades and Free Agency Thread - Push all the chips in?

[123offtheglass]

Taylor Hall.

Mikael Granlund has 12 f***ing points.

All-Star Hall has 2 goals 17 points in 31 games; Granlund, a two-way wing & centre has 6 goals 12 points in 29 games. One's cap hit is 8m & the other mostly likely cheaper one's is 3.75m

 

[123offtheglass]

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Nashville's (Granlund, Ekholm, Haula, Saros...) next 3 games are against Detroit once (without Bernier) & Chicago twice; that might convince them that they have a good chance at playoffs if they get enough points there which isn't good. Another team LA (with Iafallo) though is falling back from STL & has a bit of break before they play Vegas twice. Flyers (Laughton) for whatever reason are very convinced they should add despite having fallen back quite a bit out of their playoff race. Columbus (Foligno, Savard...) is in the race with Chicago and will likely make a strong push as Chicago comes back to life. Injury plagued Dallas (Oleksiak) has a very condensed 27 games in 47 days; they play their next 3 games against Tampa once & Florida twice.

Really hope LA decides they're willing to sell Iafallo between now and the end of the month where they play Vegas twice. He could be a really good & affordable option. If the Leafs were to acquire Iafallo & play their cards right (retain Iafallo at 50%) they could have $1,021,836 left over now or $1,703,060 at the TDL, on a 20-man roster. That would be enough cap space to make at least another move if they wanted to add an insurance goalie, a defenseman, or another forward. Iafallo - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

IF the Leafs get involved in a trade where they are moving a 1st round pick to another team, I hope they are able to arrange it so that it is next year's pick, and not this year's pick. With all the confusion caused by Covid this year, the Leafs should have an advantage over a number of teams who are unable to spend as much on their scouting programs in comparison to a normal year. A chance to steal a gem who skated under the radar, so to speak.

A team might want that anyways. Next year we get thrown back into a division with Tampa, Boston, Florida etc.. and chances are that pick will be a better 1st unless we win the cup.

Lower budget teams might be more prepared for a draft where they can actually see the kids as well.

 

[Faltorvo]

Yeah, if he's actually cheap, I'd take a flyer on him, but not enthusiastically. I'm not a huge Dave Poulin guy but he did bring up a good point about how poorly Granlund acclimated to Nashville as a deadline acquisition a couple of years ago.

For me, I'm thinking about how the roster can be more of a pain in the butt to match up against. An example of a trade and thought process I'd love to see would be the equivalent to when Boston traded for Charlie Coyle for Donato and a 4th a couple of years ago. Big versatile center who can chip in all situations, great speed and could be a pain in the butt matchup for a McDavid or Draisaitl to go up against. I want to see that kind of specificity and thinking about difficult matchups more than a generic top 6.

Grandlund is just another Kerfoot but with a bit more exp and defensive awareness

another undersized , under performing in the offence and near nill physical presence on the ice

Kerf 3.5m per on pace for 13 goals and 23 A =s 36 points in 82 games on this roster

a small 36 point 3.5m player is next to useless.

 

[SniperOnTheWing]

Iafallo is the forward at the top of the list for me. Hyman lite on a low AAV. He'd fit in great on the 2nd line with Willy and JT and can kill penalties.

Granlund is better than he appears on Nashville where nobody not named Josi or Forsberg can score. He was a 65-70pt guy for two years in Minnesota when actually allowed to generate offense. He would produce in our lineup.

Some of the other names you see thrown around are hilarious. Hall for example is an overrated 60pt guy who has had like two good years in his career and makes $8M. And Glendening is a guy Babcock desperately wanted soooo.. that's all you need to know there.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Grandlund is just another Kerfoot but with a bit more exp and defensive awareness

another undersized , under performing in the offence and near nill physical presence on the ice

Kerf 3.5m per on pace for 13 goals and 23 A =s 36 points in 82 games on this roster

a small 36 point 3.5m player is next to useless.

I'd say you dont know Granlund then if that's your assessment. Especially if you're basing your entire argument on Granlund vs Kerfoot.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

Iafallo is the forward at the top of the list for me. Hyman lite on a low AAV. He'd fit in great on the 2nd line with Willy and JT and can kill penalties.

Granlund is better than he appears on Nashville where nobody not named Josi or Forsberg can score. He was a 65-70pt guy for two years in Minnesota when actually allowed to generate offense. He would produce in our lineup.

Some of the other names you see thrown around are hilarious. Hall for example is an overrated 60pt guy who has had like two good years in his career and makes $8M. And Glendening is a guy Babcock desperately wanted soooo.. that's all you need to know there.

Taylor Hall is a beast. Just because he doesn't put up the points on a crappy Sabres team doesn't mean he's overrated. He drives play to an elite level and is one of the best transition players in the league. You're right about Glendening though.

 

[123offtheglass]

Grandlund is just another Kerfoot but with a bit more exp and defensive awareness

another undersized , under performing in the offence and near nill physical presence on the ice

Kerf 3.5m per on pace for 13 goals and 23 A =s 36 points in 82 games on this roster

a small 36 point 3.5m player is next to useless.

I'd say you dont know Granlund then if that's your assessment. Especially if you're basing your entire argument on Granlund vs Kerfoot.

Well what do they have in common? Both small, can play wing or centre, two-way forwards... doesn't mean they are the same player. Granlund has not produced since coming to Nashville, it just hasn't been a good fit for him there & now is a great time to buy low on him.

 

[BlueForever75]

If there is a way to extract Iaffalo from LA that would be a character guy and does play like Hyman. Putting him either with Matthews or Tavares would be great. He's tough and can throw the body around.

Shouldnt cost more the a 2nd or prospect.

 

[mydnyte]

Personally I feel a lot safer with Holl in the top 4 than the idea of Dermott.

I like Dermott but he's not guaranteed to take that next step

Holl's play seems to decline as the season wears on. ...he starts off looking like a stalwart defender, then by mid season his play declines, then later in the season he's chasing the play, and creating goals against.

Sell High, he's not at his best when it counts.

 

[mydnyte]

If there is a way to extract Iaffalo from LA that would be a character guy and does play like Hyman. Putting him either with Matthews or Tavares would be great. He's tough and can throw the body around.

Shouldnt cost more the a 2nd or prospect.

I'd rather just give Joey Anderson a look that throw away an asset on a 'meh' player

 

[BlueForever75]

I'd rather just give Joey Anderson a look that throw away an asset on a 'meh' player

I actually think Gally is going to be a great get. I liked what I saw so far.

 

[mydnyte]

I actually think Gally is going to be a great get. I liked what I saw so far.

I'd like to see him get a shot on PP #2 ...he has a good shot, and a solid 1-timer

 

[BlueForever75]

I'd like to see him get a shot on PP #2 ...he has a good shot, and a solid 1-timer

My guess is you will see him there tonight. The Leafs had more time to get him work on the PP. We will see if its true.

 

[Twine Tickler]

Alex Edler a possibility with double retention? Wouldn't need to quarantine. He does have a NMC though

no disrespect to Edler. I watch a ton of Canucks games. This guy is a boat anchor. Good career, time to call it a quits though

 

[Twine Tickler]

If there is a way to extract Iaffalo from LA that would be a character guy and does play like Hyman. Putting him either with Matthews or Tavares would be great. He's tough and can throw the body around.

Shouldnt cost more the a 2nd or prospect.

Its exactly the price tag and type of player I'd go for. Not overly familiar with Iafallo's game, but the game notes suggest he would be a great fit. Not interested in the bigger names being floated around. I just fear the price for a guy like hall, and I am not overly convinced he is a player that makes us harder to beat. Sure he will likely get pts, but so will anyone riding shotgun to JT and Willy. Need intangibles

 

[X66]

For all the people saying don't get Hall, trust me, he'd be the best pick-up available.

A play driving winger could give either Tavares or Matthews another boost, he would quite literally be the perfect fit.

And he gives you a TON of options, Leafs can even ice a forward line-up like this...

Nylander-Matthews-Marner (Super Line)
Hall-Tavares-Hyman (Legit 1st line)
Mikheyev-Kerfoot-Simmonds (Solid 3rd line)
Thornton-Egnvall-Spezza (Solid 4th line)

 

[SprDaVE]

For all the people saying don't get Hall, trust me, he'd be the best pick-up available.

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A play driving winger could give either Tavares or Matthews another boost, he would quite literally be the perfect fit.

And he gives you a TON of options, Leafs can even ice a forward line-up like this...

Nylander-Matthews-Marner (Super Line)
Hall-Tavares-Hyman (Legit 1st line)
Mikheyev-Kerfoot-Simmonds (Solid 3rd line)
Thornton-Egnvall-Spezza (Solid 4th line)

Hall would be great. I just worry about the price to acquire him. I still think the Islanders will "overpay" to get him.

 

[Stephen]

Grandlund is just another Kerfoot but with a bit more exp and defensive awareness

another undersized , under performing in the offence and near nill physical presence on the ice

Kerf 3.5m per on pace for 13 goals and 23 A =s 36 points in 82 games on this roster

a small 36 point 3.5m player is next to useless.

I understand the Leafs vision of a highly technically competent player being asked to play a smaller role to create a mismatch against another team so we can push the speed and skill agenda. But it’s not like this is the AHL and we are a Michael Carcone away from contention. Teams have figured out how to play the Leafs in the playoffs and it’s by using size and a high work rate to negate that skill advantage. I think what we need is more balance and variety and since we’re still a little bit light on the grit side, that’s what we need.

 

[Stephen]

For all the people saying don't get Hall, trust me, he'd be the best pick-up available.

View attachment 412240

A play driving winger could give either Tavares or Matthews another boost, he would quite literally be the perfect fit.

And he gives you a TON of options, Leafs can even ice a forward line-up like this...

Nylander-Matthews-Marner (Super Line)
Hall-Tavares-Hyman (Legit 1st line)
Mikheyev-Kerfoot-Simmonds (Solid 3rd line)
Thornton-Egnvall-Spezza (Solid 4th line)

But if you have Matthews and Marner and Nylander why do we need to add an inferior line driver to give the puck to? Hall isn’t good at making use of his line mates and is more of a high end tunnel vision guy. Big name but terrible track record.

 

[Marshy]

If we can get Hall 50% retention for a 1st + prospect (not top 5) ok if they want more then pass.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

In non covid, expansion draft worryless fantasy land; what's the value on this mega deal?

To Toronto
Korpisalo
Foligno (retained)
Savard (retained)
Jenner

To Columbus
Andersen
Kerfoot
Engvall
Dermott
Amirov
Liljgren
1st
3rd


Foligno - Matthews - Marner
Simmonds - Tavares - Nylander
Hyman - Jenner - Mikhayev
Thornton - Spezza - Galchenyuk

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Savard
Sandin - Holl
Bogosian

Korpisalo
Campbell

 

[kb]

If we can get Hall 50% retention for a 1st + prospect (not top 5) ok if they want more then pass.

1st, Kerfoot, B prospect. Andersen to LTIR

 

[123offtheglass]

For all the people saying don't get Hall, trust me, he'd be the best pick-up available.

View attachment 412240

A play driving winger could give either Tavares or Matthews another boost, he would quite literally be the perfect fit.

And he gives you a TON of options, Leafs can even ice a forward line-up like this...

Nylander-Matthews-Marner (Super Line)
Hall-Tavares-Hyman (Legit 1st line)
Mikheyev-Kerfoot-Simmonds (Solid 3rd line)
Thornton-Egnvall-Spezza (Solid 4th line)

Hall would be great. I just worry about the price to acquire him. I still think the Islanders will "overpay" to get him.

I've also heard the Islanders are an unlikely suiter as he likely isn't a guy that will fit their style of play; apparently Lou has a very selective and short list of players. I do think somebody overpays for him though; I don't have a clue what he's worth given the uncertainty of what you're getting since that hart trophy season + injuries, and how much of his cap hit & NMC status hurts his value; although there will almost definitely be some retention on him. Think he would have good chemistry with Willie here in transition & using their speed to create odd man rushes, something that's been missing ever since Willie has been with JT opposed to Matthews. Really don't think Hall would fit with Marner & Matthews, too many guys that drive play & not enough puck to go around. Think with Hall-JT-Willie line Willie & Hall would drive play primarily while Tavares would become more of the complementary player to the line (that sounds bad given he makes 11m).

It is a possibility; he'd be one of the few scenarios that could be involved here:

 

[Clark4Ever]

If we can get Hall 50% retention for a 1st + prospect (not top 5) ok if they want more then pass.

That is an overpayment. The most I would give up is a 2nd round pick and a B prospect.

Hall has the potential, but it's impossible to ignore the season he's having.