I am really not sure who from the Sens we’d be looking at tbh.
Anyone we might have interest in, the Sens won’t be looking to trade.
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I am really not sure who from the Sens we’d be looking at tbh.
Anyone we might have interest in, the Sens won’t be looking to trade.
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We play the Sens tomorrow. Dubas probably just watching some hockey instead of staying in his hotel room.
Derek Ryan would be an interesting rental off Calgary if they decided to sell.
Only rentals on Ott are Gudbranson and Reilly
Nick Paul could be a depth piece they look at but he's got another year after this.
Only rentals on Ott are Gudbranson and Reilly
Nick Paul could be a depth piece they look at but he's got another year after this.
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That makes way too much sense. Has to be a huge trade involved.
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Yeah, if he's actually cheap, I'd take a flyer on him, but not enthusiastically. I'm not a huge Dave Poulin guy but he did bring up a good point about how poorly Granlund acclimated to Nashville as a deadline acquisition a couple of years ago.
For me, I'm thinking about how the roster can be more of a pain in the butt to match up against. An example of a trade and thought process I'd love to see would be the equivalent to when Boston traded for Charlie Coyle for Donato and a 4th a couple of years ago. Big versatile center who can chip in all situations, great speed and could be a pain in the butt matchup for a McDavid or Draisaitl to go up against. I want to see that kind of specificity and thinking about difficult matchups more than a generic top 6.
Grundstrom was a very good prospect. But from draft day all the way until we traded him, he was projecting to be a very solid middle 6 winger. Nothing more. At the time of the trade he appeared to be a lock for the NHL. He played a brand that suited the NHL, and it was really only a matter of time before he was going to be in the show. However, there was/is a limit to his abilities. He was never going to be a lock in any top 6, and was realistically never going to become anything more than a good 3rd liner. He has yet to show me anything different since the trade. Still time though. His value at the time of the trade, would be similar to that of Filip Hallander, not Amirov. Hallander, like Grundstrom, both had decent/good SweHL stats in D+1 and onward. Quite comparable in style, with Filip being slightly less physical than Carl (from what I've seen and read). But overall career projections are very similar. Amirov on the other hand has a 200ft top 6 wing upside. And although he is no where near a lock to fulfill that projection at the current moment, He has done nothing in D+1 to think otherwise. I respect if you think otherwise, everyone is entitled to their own opinion on it. I just think Rodian Amirov's value far exceeds what Carl Grunstrom's was in 2018-19. And I definitely would not consider Timmy to be in the same category as Carl Grundstrom's 2018-19 value. He at this point is all but a lock to play top-4 NHL minutes for a long time barring injury.
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I agree. I just cannot see any real reason to overpay for a player who has already underperformed given the same set of circumstances. I am also not a huge fan of Pouly, but it was a great take. The last thing this team needs is soft skill. We have added pieces this year that allow our team to remain in games when it gets physical (Simmonds, Bogo). But we need more of that in our forward group. I really don't think it needs to be a huge name. Just someone who is going to move the needle in our direction when the passes aren't hitting tape to tape. Guys that would be no less effective playing with the wrong handed stick. We don't need another guy to go bar down every time or have the ability to toe drag the whole team. Someone who makes it tough on d-men to go back on pucks, and someone who is not afraid to get in lanes on both ends of the ice. Ideally someone who can keep up with the pace of our top 6. I threw out Cody Eakin as a name I really could see the Leafs going for. He's not a horrible player, and has a f*** ton of big game experience. He could play up and down the lineup, and would definitely do whatever it took to stay in it. 50% retention with Barabanov going the other way would be almost cost neutral. Add a little middle round sweetener to make it worth it to Buffalo, and the roster is instantly harder to play against. Eakin did not lose the ability to play, Buffalo did. Buy low, hope high
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If he was making 4.75M we'd have different thoughts. Also, he's a great story for those of us who watched Babcock relegate him to the press box for over a season.
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What about Granlund & Oleksiak:
Toronto:
Makael Granlund (@46%)
Jamie Oleksiak (@49%)
7th round pick 2022 (OTT)
OUT: Dermott, 2nd, 3rd
Nashville:
2nd round pick 2021 (TOR)
3rd round pick 2022 (TOR)
Dallas:
2nd round pick 2022 (TBL -> from OTT to TOR to DAL)
Ottawa:
Travis Dermott
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Maybe. Not necessarily the easiest of tasks to find better for 2M or less on a multi-year deal though.
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Well one weakness we need to fix is PK. I haven't watched him for a while but keep reading he is very good there.
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He has been one of the worst PKers in the league this year. He struggles to produce offense. He is small. I am not really sure what he brings that our current guys do not, and people want to pay a 2nd + for him to boot.
It makes more sense for the Leafs to just stick with Galchenyuk at 2LW.
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For what it's worth, I'm just going by what I keep reading. Haven't watched him or dug into the numbers. If he was good at it, I'm interested. Its important to me to fix the PK. Right now my two biggest things are PK and goaltending. I'm pretty comfortable with the rest.
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The point with Zaitsev is that he started out very well and was looking like a a decent #2. He fell off the tracks a little way into his second full season. So about 90 to 100 NHL games. Holl is probably somewhere around there now and has struggled the last dozen games. All I'm saying is it's possible he could track the same way. And as far as the money goes a #2 at 4.5m and a #4 at 2m I would think could be a fairly good comparison.
I don't hate Holl. I just think that giving up on a 24 yr old D that came in with the potential of being a top 4 in favor of a 30? yr old who was a late bloomer that may be overachieving is a little crazy.
Can you imagine how it would go around here if Dermott went on to become an Ekholm when he's 28. And we resign Holl after next season to a 5 yr/3.5m or higher (top 4 money) and he flops because we see the real Holl at 31?
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The only reason I think the Leafs are in on Ekholm is because I think they are dangling Dermott as a center piece (yes, among other assets). I think he's got a decent amount of value for a team looking to retool.
Leafs are losing Dermott one way or another I think, so why not go after a huge upgrade now and then hope you can make it work this off-season with Seattle/cap.
Leivo is more of what he have... he's basically Vesey.
At least Bennett is something our team is desperately missing....someone who has excelled when the game gets tighter and more physical.
I think to be extremely creative, as long as it works with the Cap, we might see deals that see roster players coming to the Leafs with just draft picks or prospects going the other way. Then when the season is over, the same team will receive roster players from the Leafs for like a 7th rounder or something.
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