Trades and Free Agency Thread - Push all the chips in?

[kb]

In non covid, expansion draft worryless fantasy land; what's the value on this mega deal?

To Toronto
Korpisalo
Foligno (retained)
Savard (retained)
Jenner

To Columbus
Andersen
Kerfoot
Engvall
Dermott
Amirov
Liljgren
1st
3rd


Foligno - Matthews - Marner
Simmonds - Tavares - Nylander
Hyman - Jenner - Mikhayev
Thornton - Spezza - Galchenyuk

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Savard
Sandin - Holl
Bogosian

Korpisalo
Campbell

Turn in your Leaf fan badge. lol This is so horrendous that I wouldn't even have a clue how to fix this. Suffice it to say this package from the Leafs could get almost anyone from anywhere - that is 4 roster players, 3-1st round picks, and a 3rd..

In return, the Leafs get a non-playoff team's backup goalie, their 3rd line C and LW, and a D-man who is about Bogosian's calibre.

I......just

 

[123offtheglass]

In non covid, expansion draft worryless fantasy land; what's the value on this mega deal?

To Toronto
Korpisalo
Foligno (retained)
Savard (retained)
Jenner

To Columbus
Andersen
Kerfoot
Engvall
Dermott
Amirov
Liljgren
1st
3rd


Foligno - Matthews - Marner
Simmonds - Tavares - Nylander
Hyman - Jenner - Mikhayev
Thornton - Spezza - Galchenyuk

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Savard
Sandin - Holl
Bogosian

Korpisalo
Campbell

Ahead of Tkachuck & Marchand, Kyle Dubas would become the biggest instigator the league has ever seen, towards his own fan base.

 

[Marshy]

That is an overpayment. The most I would give up is a 2nd round pick and a B prospect.

Hall has the potential, but it's impossible to ignore the season he's having.

Maybe so. I think the retention is worth something and a late first in a weaker/sparsely scouted draft isn't as valuable as other years. Hey if the Dube can can get him for less go for it.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

I like that Toronto's top prospect and Chicago's cap space are both in the top 15 on TSN's trade bait

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Turn in your Leaf fan badge. lol This is so horrendous that I wouldn't even have a clue how to fix this. Suffice it to say this package from the Leafs could get almost anyone from anywhere - that is 4 roster players, 3-1st round picks, and a 3rd..

In return, the Leafs get a non-playoff team's backup goalie, their 3rd line C and LW, and a D-man who is about Bogosian's calibre.

I......just

:'(

 

[Cor]

LMAO

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Yeah any way you slice it, 2 goals in 31 games for a pure goal scorer is quite bad.

 

[ShaneFalco]

LMAO

 

[BlueForever75]

If Hall's value has taken a hit this bad. The Leafs definitely should be in on him.

I can see this guy flourish on a line with Matthews or Tavares.

 

[SprDaVE]

He's the kind of player that will just explode offensively. Definitely should be all over him if they can fit the salary.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Well now Hall intrigues me if it's at a discount .. With the Leafs engaging other teams (likely Chicago) to retain some cap, it's pretty clear that's the target right now.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Basically if he can be had without the Leafs giving up either: a 1st rounder, Sandin, Lily, Amirov, or Roberston ... I'd say you make that trade.

 

[Mickey Marner]

We don't even have room for Hall at 50%, there would need to be a second retention in order to avoid giving up either Kerfoot or two of Holl/Mikheyev/Engvall. At that point the cumulative value of the retention is probably a 2nd round pick on top of the roster players, prospects and other picks used to acquire Hall. Way too much spent to shoehorn Hall onto a team that doesn't need his offense, which is all he brings on the occasions that he brings it at all.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

We don't even have room for Hall at 50%, there would need to be a second retention in order to avoid giving up either Kerfoot or two of Holl/Mikheyev/Engvall. At that point the cumulative value of the retention is probably a 2nd round pick on top of the roster players, prospects and other picks used to acquire Hall. Way too much spent to shoehorn Hall onto a team that doesn't need his offense, which is all he brings on the occasions that he brings it at all.

the cost for another team to retain on Hall is probably like a 5th round pick at most. That should not be a deal breaker. Hall is also a much, much better overall player than you're giving credit for

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

TSN also said basically everyone on Arizona is available

 

[Cor]

I still don’t like the idea of acquiring Taylor Hall.


However, if we can somehow swing it without giving up a first or a significant prospect...... it’s worth a try I suppose.

 

[BertCorbeau]

TSN also said basically everyone on Arizona is available

Incoming Crouse proposals

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Incoming Crouse proposals

Arizona -> Stats -> Sort by Hits -> Christian Fischer

Make it happen Dubas

 

[123offtheglass]

the cost for another team to retain on Hall is probably like a 5th round pick at most. That should not be a deal breaker. Hall is also a much, much better overall player than you're giving credit for

We don't even have room for Hall at 50%, there would need to be a second retention in order to avoid giving up either Kerfoot or two of Holl/Mikheyev/Engvall. At that point the cumulative value of the retention is probably a 2nd round pick on top of the roster players, prospects and other picks used to acquire Hall. Way too much spent to shoehorn Hall onto a team that doesn't need his offense, which is all he brings on the occasions that he brings it at all.

Probably more than a 5th but a 2nd at the absolute max given the COVID market and leverage a team could have on the Leafs; they'd have to retain 50% of 2m which at this point in the season is significantly less (<39%) than it would have been earlier. If it's say Chicago I'm guessing it's about a 3rd, hopefully a little less (e.x. we get a 6th or 7th back as well). Hard to say but I can't see it being low given the state of the market; maybe Chicago lets us off easy since we helped them in their Lehner deal with Vegas last TDL. Korg could be right it's really hard to judge but I can't see it being low given all the factors at play. One thing that does help though is a lot of teams straight up can't add money like that, suitors are narrowed down.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Hall's going to need to be rehabbed like Galchenyuk. I know Buffalo is a joke, but it's not like the coach is telling him to skate slower. His IQ was always dog water and his physical gifts have taken a step back.

I'm not against spending a pair of 2nds on him with double retention, but the idea that he's just going to seamlessly step into the top-6 and give us 30 goal PPG performance is misguided.

 

[LeafGrief]

I'd rather go after Granlund or anyone other than Hall tbh. I'm normally all about the stats and projections, but Taylor Hall just has that loser smell on him. Do not want.

I mean, I'd take him for free if they were offering and I could live with Kerfoot+2nd, but I'd really rather go after someone/anyone else.

 

[LeafGrief]

Hall's going to need to be rehabbed like Galchenyuk. I know Buffalo is a joke, but it's not like the coach is telling him to skate slower. His IQ was always dog water and his physical gifts have taken a step back.

I'm not against spending a pair of 2nds on him with double retention, but the idea that he's just going to seamlessly step into the top-6 and give us 30 goal PPG performance is misguided.

100% accurate statement.

He's scored 30g+ once in his career and it's when he shot 40% over his career average during his MVP season. He's been just barely a 20g player for every other season he's had since he left Edmonton.

 

[123offtheglass]

Hating that central division right now, there's 3 good teams, 1 injury plagued and the rest are all just mediocre teams that can't decide who's going to take the 4th spot. In terms of rentals available, unless the Leafs wait until closer to TDL it's really just Hall and then a huge drop off.

 

[SprDaVE]

I'd rather go after Granlund or anyone other than Hall tbh. I'm normally all about the stats and projections, but Taylor Hall just has that loser smell on him. Do not want.

I mean, I'd take him for free if they were offering and I could live with Kerfoot+2nd, but I'd really rather go after someone/anyone else.

You just need a good team for him. He didn't just stop being a good player. He's still producing shots and chances at pretty much elite levels. Sometimes, a bad situation is a bad situation and he's not producing goals or points like he should be. He literally carried the Devils to the playoffs in 17-18 and was by far their best player in that series, and then the following year he got injured for over 3/4 of the season.

This isn't to say he's going to be an MVP level player if/when acquired, but the way people talk about him is really bizarre. This is like Phil Kessel never being a Stanley Cup winner talk.

This is a rare opportunity to add a high level player at a "low" price. At the worst, you have a middle line player that gives you depth. We all know what the best can be.

 

[Mickey Marner]

the cost for another team to retain on Hall is probably like a 5th round pick at most. That should not be a deal breaker. Hall is also a much, much better overall player than you're giving credit for

Depends how much is retained. We got a 5th to retain 1.1 AAV on behalf of Chicago last season, I assume they would return the favour. However, that isn't enough retention to avoid sending Kerfoot or Holl the other way. Chicago would need to additionally retain about 2 million for Engvall to go the other way and about 1.5 for Mikheyev. That might cost a 4th and I doubt Buffalo retains 4 AAV for less than a 3rd, they might even want a 2nd. I'd rather pay the same retention cost for more term from another star forward like Forsberg or Hertl. 1.5 year trades like Muzzin and off-season deals are much better value for us. Deadline costs are grossly inflated as is, paying for nearly 6 million in retention for a few weeks of Hall on top of that is completely unpalatable to me.