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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

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HabsWhiteKnightLOL said:
Rental? why , we are not buying . We should be selling or trade for a long term player established.
No need for side moves to rush things tup.
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I think we can be both buyers and sellers. Dvorak and Savard are easy to trade away. The names I mentioned won't take much to get, and it would be nice to support the players.
 
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The Habs centers are all right-handed (Suzuki, Dach, Evans) except for Dvorak. Beck, Kapanen & Hage are all righties also (I don't consider Newhook a viable C & Florian X is a long shot at 4C).

(probably because of his player experience) MSL doesn't care about analytics and values very much winning face-offs. we often see Dvo on the OT just for that.

Assuming they don't keep Dvorak (!) it means HuGo has a clear mandate from their coach e.g. find a L-handed C strong on Face-offs and able to defend, a reliable vet preferably.

There's not that many good targets for that. I don't believe HuGo will move 2-3 current players in a block-buster trade (team is starting to gel) e.g. no EP.

I think it would make sense to take a "step back" and grab someone like Ryan O'Reilly (33) to be the Habs 2/3 C during the next 3 years, as a stopgap until either Dach or Hage are ready. Maybe cost is Newhook or Evans + some future assets (late 1st or decent prospect). The goal is not to rebuild a U25 team but to rebuild a winning team.

This weakness at C really didn't help Slaf's development, when Monahan got injured his play was affected and again this year when he's not with Suzuki not much is happening. Demidov will need a good top 6 C next year to help him, not an on-going project.

It doesn't have to be O'Reilly / this price but I'm not sure who else fits the bill. It's just I think the Habs will need a new L center next year that is better then Dvorak and potentially better then Dach in order to play with Demidov. And hopefully they don't bet the season on a current asset becoming a good 2C next year e.g. either through trade or UFA they have to find a good leftie C and there's not that many.
 
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Gaylord Q Tinkledink said:
Matt Beniers is... a bit of a disappointment maybe ?

Probably not this offseason, but still this point next year if hes going to be pacing for 40ish points you can bet his name will be in rumours.
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That's really doubtful. He's only 22 & is their #1 C. They signed Stephenson to take the pressure off him, but he isn't doing that much better.

They're likely to get a top 4 pick. Any of the top four would be a great addition for them.
 
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jrom said:
The Habs centers are all right-handed (Suzuki, Dach, Evans) except for Dvorak. Beck, Kapanen & Hage are all righties also (I don't consider Newhook a viable C & Florian X is a long shot at 4C).

(probably because of his player experience) MSL doesn't care about analytics and values very much winning face-offs. we often see Dvo on the OT just for that.

Assuming they don't keep Dvorak (!) it means HuGo has a clear mandate from their coach e.g. find a L-handed C strong on Face-offs and able to defend, a reliable vet preferably.

There's not that many good targets for that. I don't believe HuGo will move 2-3 current players in a block-buster trade (team is starting to gel) e.g. no EP.

I think it would make sense to take a "step back" and grab someone like Ryan O'Reilly (33) to be the Habs 2/3 C during the next 3 years, as a stopgap until either Dach or Hage are ready. Maybe cost is Newhook or Evans + some future assets (late 1st or decent prospect). The goal is not to rebuild a U25 team but to rebuild a winning team.

This weakness at C really didn't help Slaf's development, when Monahan got injured his play was affected and again this year when he's not with Suzuki not much is happening. Demidov will need a good top 6 C next year to help him, not an on-going project.

It doesn't have to be O'Reilly / this price but I'm not sure who else fits the bill. It's just I think the Habs will need a new L center next year that is better then Dvorak and potentially better then Dach in order to play with Demidov. And hopefully they don't bet the season on a current asset becoming a good 2C next year e.g. either through trade or UFA they have to find a good leftie C and there's not that many.
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If they are looking to add a LH C, it's going to be a guy younger than ROR or they are just admitting everything they have said so far is BS.

If they want a LH C, they will get one for the mid/long term.
 
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Heffyhoof said:
It just depends where Montreal is interested in going. Unless management has total faith in Reinbacher or in Ghule playing on the right side, Montreal needs a RHD.

Nemec is on the side of the longer rebuild and Andersson is almost too old and represents the sped up rebuild. If there was somehow a player in between that becomes available then Montreal should throw everything and the kitchen sink. Reinbacher and Hage should be on the table for that.
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In our RD search, that's what we will end up with... Someone young like Nemec who needs a little more time or someone like Anderson who you will have to have till their mid 30's.

The rebuild is over. We are in transition years now. Not like we will ignore drafting and development moving forward but the goal here is to reinforce the roster from Suzuki to Demidov. Our roster will not all be Suzuki and under in age as well. There will be a few vets mixed in. Right now we have overpaid vets that will expire.

Adding Andersson is a good move as long as we feel he is the RD type we need and he will extend and stay
 
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Treb said:
If they are looking to add a LH C, it's going to be a guy younger than ROR or they are just admitting everything they have said so far is BS.

If they want a LH C, they will get one for the mid/long term.
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It is not so easy as there are not so many options there who would be suitable candidates. Left handed center who can win some faceoffs, he is 26 and younger and already proven in NHL that he can be 2nd or 3rd line center. If I filter out players with more than 400 faceoffs who are 26 and younger, it gives me just 27 names in whole league. Few of them are righties and few of them are untouchables, so the realistic names would be guys like Lundell, Beniers, Sillinger, Frost, McLeod, Hayton or Pinto.
 
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sampollock said:
Why would avs trade him if they are going for it
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I'll go with this gullible trade...

Avs know they can't extend Rantanen and Crosby wants to play with MacKinnon. Avs can't fit both Rantanen and Crosby so they will trade Rantanen to the Habs and the Avs get Crosby. Pens get youth and futures.

What's worth more?

* Rantanen for the rest of this season at $9.25M (age 28 rental)
or
* Crosby for the rest of this season and two more (age 37-39)
 
jrom said:
The Habs centers are all right-handed (Suzuki, Dach, Evans) except for Dvorak. Beck, Kapanen & Hage are all righties also (I don't consider Newhook a viable C & Florian X is a long shot at 4C).

(probably because of his player experience) MSL doesn't care about analytics and values very much winning face-offs. we often see Dvo on the OT just for that.

Assuming they don't keep Dvorak (!) it means HuGo has a clear mandate from their coach e.g. find a L-handed C strong on Face-offs and able to defend, a reliable vet preferably.

There's not that many good targets for that. I don't believe HuGo will move 2-3 current players in a block-buster trade (team is starting to gel) e.g. no EP.

I think it would make sense to take a "step back" and grab someone like Ryan O'Reilly (33) to be the Habs 2/3 C during the next 3 years, as a stopgap until either Dach or Hage are ready. Maybe cost is Newhook or Evans + some future assets (late 1st or decent prospect). The goal is not to rebuild a U25 team but to rebuild a winning team.

This weakness at C really didn't help Slaf's development, when Monahan got injured his play was affected and again this year when he's not with Suzuki not much is happening. Demidov will need a good top 6 C next year to help him, not an on-going project.

It doesn't have to be O'Reilly / this price but I'm not sure who else fits the bill. It's just I think the Habs will need a new L center next year that is better then Dvorak and potentially better then Dach in order to play with Demidov. And hopefully they don't bet the season on a current asset becoming a good 2C next year e.g. either through trade or UFA they have to find a good leftie C and there's not that many.
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Move Dach to RW and try Demidov at center. A center like Dach on Demidov's wing is a good situation. I'd put Slaf with them and Laine with Suzuiki/Caufield. Demidov at center may be a massive reach but why would it be? He says he prefers center and his style of games fits the center role.

Laine / Suzuki / Caufield
Slaf / Demidov / Dach
 
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