HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

[Benstheman]

Dvo at 2.25 should get you a 2nd. He's a 56% face off guy this year and sound defensively. On a contender, adding a 4th line center with that faceoff % and a good pker in a sellers market should yield a 2nd.

At the end of the day, I think Habs will use their last retention piece on Armia because I think at 50%, he could get us a late 1st or at least, a way better return than Dvorak.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No I know Dach could still develops to a decent top 6 player with size but as of right now, he is not there and the jury is still out there as if he will get out of his funk. And for a team like Vancouver who wants to compete now, I don't think he is the solution as of now. But who knows, if Vancouver really wants to rapidly deal with the manner and Dach gets better and better as the season goes, maybe a deal can make sense at the deadline. But right now I don't think it does for Vancouver.

Adding Slaf even though they are after a C or D does seem like something they are not after. However, Dach behind Miller at center and adding Slaf and Mailloux? Gallagher at $3.25M is not something that is horrible either.

It basically comes down to how difficult it is for them to move Miller's NMC. If they feel like they get better returns for Pettersson, I am very curious to see what teams offer from now till July where his NMC kicks in. Once July+ passes by, and the Canucks don't make a trade, they are stuck with two NMC's and then the power goes to the players, not the team.

 

[Kosseca]

I wonder if the Canucks would be open to Gallagher at 50% retention. Gallagher goes home for 2 more years at $3.25M.

* EP40 (7 more years @ $11.6M)
for
* Slaf (8 years at $7.6M)
* Dach (1 more year at $3.362M and then RFA)
* Gallagher (50% retention... 2 more years at $3.25M)

Slaf and Dach (with a new contract after next year) likely is much larger than EP40's cap hit.

$14.85M in for the Canucks and $14.21M for the Habs. This actually saves the Habs cap space starting when Dach needs a new contract.

Hard pass,
EP40 is label as being soft and we would trade 2 big and physical player in the top 6. Dach may not be the perfect 2C but he's starting to work hard on the board recently using his size and strength.

Recent wins were secured through improved defensive play in our zone, but also relentless forecheck. I can't recall when MTL forecheck was so effective creating turnover after turnover. Having bigger player in the top 6 really help.

 

[Egresch]

Just curiosity not related to a trade, but Dvorak significantly improved his speed. He does not have the top speed, but he plays at high pace. His bursts over 20 mph are almost at McDavid level

 

[Habs Halifax]

Hard pass,
EP40 is label as being soft and we would trade 2 big and physical player in the top 6. Dach may not be the perfect 2C but he's starting to work hard on the board recently using his size and strength.

Recent wins were secured through improved defensive play in our zone, but also relentless forecheck. I can't recall when MTL forecheck was so effective creating turnover after turnover. Having bigger player in the top 6 really help.

I can respect this. One thing I am getting is lots of no from both the Habs and Canucks fans. Several Habs fans saying its way too much and Several Canucks fans saying it's too little. This actually tells me it's fair lol.

I'm not low on Dach or Slaf for the record. Just looking at how our team looks if we were to make that move and the Canucks liked the offer.

 

[Benstheman]

Will be really interesting what happens between now and deadline for the Habs because nothing is clear.

1) Market is really volatile because not many teams are out of the playoffs picture (maybe 5 teams).

2) Habs have players becoming UFAs in Savard, Dvorak, Evans and Armia. We can all agree Savard and Dvorak won't be back but Evans and maybe even Armia are still interesting players HuGo would probably like to retain. But not at any price.

3) Interesting stories going on in the NHL like Vancouver or teams like Buffalo or Boston that are underachieving. Pittsburgh that is on the brink of blowing it off if they fall out of playoffs picture.

4) Big UFAs like Rantanen who is still not extended by Avalanche.

 

[Kosseca]

Looking forward, it seems quite clear that the TDL strategy will be framed by where the team stand in the standing at that time. I'm getting a vibe that if they keep the current trajectory, there will be no trade whatsoever. Dvorak, Armia, Savard are going to be our "UFA rental" and wont mess with the team chemistry.

One thing I would like to see is if a line of Gally/Heineman - Evan - Anderson can work as effeciently. If neither Dvorak and Evan are gona be resigned, you may want to see if the "left overs" can play on a line.

 

[Goalfield13]

It's worth noting 65-75pts is EP40's floor.

There's more to hockey than points. Slaf will bring size. We forget how much we needed size in the past in our top 6. It will be important come playoff time.

 

[Benstheman]

I can respect this. One thing I am getting is lots of no from both the Habs and Canucks fans. Several Habs fans saying its way too much and Several Canucks fans saying it's too little. This actually tells me it's fair lol.

I'm not low on Dach or Slaf for the record. Just looking at how our team looks if we were to make that move and the Canucks liked the offer.

I'm pretty sure the lows coming from Vancouver fans is based on the fact they would like to have a legit top 6 center in exchange for EP. Which Dach is not right now.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'm pretty sure the lows coming from Vancouver fans is based on the fact they would like to have a legit top 6 center in exchange for EP. Which Dach is not right now.

That is true, they are after a C or D or both. But what happens when they don't get those proven offers like the Cozens/Byram offer? At the same time, Miller's NMC is giving them fits? Could pin them in the corner

Us fans just don't know what the real offers are. I bet you the Sabres are not even calling them because their owner is cash strapped and they prefer not to have another Eichel situation with Pettersson. Very risky for the Sabres if Pettersson asks for a trade a year after the trade. Pettersson's contract and looming NMC is massive. Some teams will just automatically say no. There is a $10M payment to come in July as well... right before his NMC.

I wish we knew what other teams were offering. If I was the GM for the Habs and was talking with the Canucks, I'd tell them we are very interested but our approch is offering a bit more than what others are actually offering. I'd tell the Canucks to keep shopping and call us back when they get serious offers and give us a chance to beat it or pass. I'm pretty sure that's how GM's interact

 

[Kosseca]

I can respect this. One thing I am getting is lots of no from both the Habs and Canucks fans. Several Habs fans saying its way too much and Several Canucks fans saying it's too little. This actually tells me it's fair lol.

I'm not low on Dach or Slaf for the record. Just looking at how our team looks if we were to make that move and the Canucks liked the offer.

Value wise... you may be close. but for me the problem isn't value but what you are left with after the trade and how do you build your team moving forward. Without Dach and Slaf, you are left with a smaller and softer top 6. Adding Demidov wont mitigate this. That said, adding Demidov will inject top tier skill, similar to EP40... can Demidov be as good as EP40??? dont know yet but he has that potential. So for me, Adding top tier skill come from adding Demidov and not an EP40.

Bottom line, I prefer

CC - Suzuki - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Demi

to

Laine* - EP40 - Demidov
CC - Suzuki - Newhook

* I would add that in that second line up you have a massive liability with Laine's contract. Losing him really hit the top6

 

[waitin425]

EP for Dach and Slaf?

Absolutely no f***ing way.

Slaf has unlimited untapped potential and is 20 years old. Dach is starting to round into form. If ever a trade had the potential of biting his very hard in the ass, it would be this one.

I would trade one of those pieces and Dach would make the most sense. If you want to keep Gally in the conversation, we can do that as well. Adding Slaf to those two pieces is an insane overpay. After Dach and Gally it would have to be a prospect and/or picks attached, and I don't think that would move the needle for Vancouver.

No deal to be made.

If we are going to poach a #2 centre or top 4 RD from another team, we need to target a team looking for a rebuild. as it is our picks and prospects that we can afford to start moving.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Value wise... you may be close. but for me the problem isn't value but what you are left with after the trade and how do you build your team moving forward. Without Dach and Slaf, you are left with a smaller and softer top 6. Adding Demidov wont mitigate this. That said, adding Demidov will inject top tier skill, similar to EP40... can Demidov be as good as EP40??? dont know yet but he has that potential. So for me, Adding top tier skill come from adding Demidov and not an EP40.

Bottom line, I prefer

CC - Suzuki - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Demi

to

Laine* - EP40 - Heineman/Roy??
CC - Suzuki - Newhook

* I would add that in that second line up you have a massive liability with Laine's contract. Losing him really hit the top6

It's great context into why not to make that trade. I do like your grit side of the equation

 

[Team_Spirit]

Vancouver will win a few games and they won't trade either guy just watch. It's going to be one of the worst TDL ever.

A lot of names on that list won't be available

 

[Benstheman]

That is true, they are after a C or D or both. But what happens when they don't get those proven offers like the Cozens/Byram offer?

Us fans just don't know what the real offers are. I bet you the Sabres are not even calling them because their owner is cash strapped and they prefer not to have another Eichel situation with Pettersson. Very risky for the Sabres if Pettersson asks for a trade a year after the trade. Pettersson's contract and looming NMC is massive. Some teams will just automatically say no. There is a $10M payment to come in July as well... right before his NMC.

I wish we knew what other teams were offering. If I was the GM for the Habs and was talking with the Canucks, I'd tell them we are very interested but our approch is offering a bit more than what others are actually offering. I'd tell the Canucks to keep shopping and call us back when they get serious offers and give us a chance to beat it or pass. I'm pretty sure that's how GM's interact

Yeah I agree we know nothing of what is going on. We just trying to connect the dots.

As for the Cozens/Byram duo. Is it really better than Dach/Matheson?? In terms of hockey performance I mean. Right now I would give the edge to Cozens over Dach but both guys are really struggling. As for Matheson/Byram, I think Matheson right now is the better player.

 

[Habs Halifax]

EP for Dach and Slaf?

Absolutely no f***ing way.

Slaf has unlimited untapped potential and is 20 years old. Dach is starting to round into form. If ever a trade had the potential of biting his very hard in the ass, it would be this one.

I would trade one of those pieces and Dach would make the most sense. If you want to keep Gally in the conversation, we can do that as well. Adding Slaf to those two pieces is an insane overpay. After Dach and Gally it would have to be a prospect and/or picks attached, and I don't think that would move the needle for Vancouver.

No deal to be made.

If we are going to poach a #2 centre or top 4 RD from another team, we need to target a team looking for a rebuild. as it is our picks and prospects that we can afford to start moving.

I do tend to agree but Gallagher at 50% retention is in that package as well. That saves us cap to extend Evans and also has enough cap to go after R Andersson and Ehlers as a UFA.

Slaf and Dach are likely to exceed EP40's cap hit after Dach gets his new deal. Call me crazy or gullible but I have a soft spot for shooters/snipers like Laine and Pettersson. Not low on Slaf or Dach at all... just engaging on what we can offer for Pettersson and if it makes any sense for us.

Ideally, I would prefer Dach and two 1st rounders for Pettersson but don't think that gets the deal done.

 

[Benstheman]

Value wise... you may be close. but for me the problem isn't value but what you are left with after the trade and how do you build your team moving forward. Without Dach and Slaf, you are left with a smaller and softer top 6. Adding Demidov wont mitigate this. That said, adding Demidov will inject top tier skill, similar to EP40... can Demidov be as good as EP40??? dont know yet but he has that potential. So for me, Adding top tier skill come from adding Demidov and not an EP40.

Bottom line, I prefer

CC - Suzuki - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Demi

to

Laine* - EP40 - Heineman/Roy??
CC - Suzuki - Newhook

* I would add that in that second line up you have a massive liability with Laine's contract. Losing him really hit the top6

Is it me or where the f*** is Demidov in your 2nd top 6?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Vancouver will win a few games and they won't trade either guy just watch. It's going to be one of the worst TDL ever.

A lot of names on that list won't be available

N Roberson listed 11th on the list

 

[waitin425]

I do tend to agree but Gallagher at 50% retention is in that package as well. That saves us cap to extend Evans and also has enough cap to go after R Andersson and Ehlers as a UFA.

Slaf and Dach are likely to exceed EP40's cap hit after Dach gets his new deal. Call me crazy or gullible but I have a soft spot for shooters/snipers like Laine and Pettersson. Not low on Slaf or Dach at all... just engaging on what we can offer for Pettersson and if it makes any sense for us.

Ideally, I would prefer Dach and two 1st rounders for Pettersson but don't think that gets the deal done.

As others have stated, it just creates too many holes in that future top 6. Swapping out two of our top 6 for 1, with the hopes that we can be players in UFA, is too much a risk for me.

I'd rather see what we have when our top 6 is complete with Slaf, Suzuki, Caufield, Laine, Dach and Demi.

Dach + Gally@50% + Mailloux + Calgary 1st 2025 is something I would consider, but it is a bunch of spare parts that Vancouver would most certainly decline.

 

[Habs Halifax]

As others have stated, it just creates too many holes in that future top 6. Swapping out two of our top 6 for 1, with the hopes that we can be players in UFA, is too much a risk for me.

I'd rather see what we have when our top 6 is complete with Slaf, Suzuki, Caufield, Laine, Dach and Demi.

Dach + Gally@50% + Mailloux + Calgary 1st 2025 is something I would consider, but it is a bunch of spare parts that Vancouver would most certainly decline.

I like the reply of lack of grit in the top 6, as the reason not to do it more.

 

[Saundies]

Would O'Reilly be a logical target if we are either in the playoffs or in the mix? He has another year beyond this one and would be under control for next year.

Get rid of Dvo for pretty much anything and insert O'Reilly. He wins faceoffs as well and is miles better offensively.

We could use him as a trade chip next year as well worst comes to absolute worst.

 

[Kosseca]

Is it me or where the f*** is Demidov in your 2nd top 6?

Ah! good catch. will fix

 

[waitin425]

I like the reply of lack of grit in the top 6, as the reason not to do it more.

Yeah that was a good argument.

I never say never on improving any position, but I am comfortable holding with our current projected forward corps for next year. The questions for me up front is who will be in the bottom 6 and who do we attempt to resign. I'd probably resign Evans and let Dvorak walk. Resign Armia as well. Promote Beck and possible Kapanen.

My biggest focus right now would be on RD. Andersson is the most likely to move target, but I would really want Dobson.

Rolling next year with this lineup.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Dach - Demidov
Heinemen - Evans - Armia
Donkey - Beck - Gally

Hutson - Andersson/Dobson
Guhle - Matheson
Xhekaj - Carrier

 

[Andy]

I don't think the habs will be acquiring any older players for pure rental or a couple of seasons of production.

Petterson
Andersson

These seem like obvious targets. I don't think players like O'Reilly are what the team is looking for, but could be wrong.

 

[Benstheman]

Ah! good catch. will fix

Just to say. I don't like any top 6 that don't include Demidov next season