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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

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Rapala said:
Hughes will probably be in Hockey Trade Mode until the end of next month.
Meaning anything he does acquisition wise will have long term ramifications.
Either as a core piece or a short term gap fix.
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The trade offer is Slafkovsky for Pettersson, 1 for 1. Do you hang up?
 
Habs Halifax said:
I'll go with this gullible trade...

Avs know they can't extend Rantanen and Crosby wants to play with MacKinnon. Avs can't fit both Rantanen and Crosby so they will trade Rantanen to the Habs and the Avs get Crosby. Pens get youth and futures.

What's worth more?

* Rantanen for the rest of this season at $9.25M (age 28 rental)
or
* Crosby for the rest of this season and two more (age 37-39)
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So an extension is already in place right because otherwise it's a form of seppuku.
We are never renting Rantanen or any other high priced star.
 
ReHabs said:
The trade offer is Slafkovsky for Pettersson, 1 for 1. Do you hang up?
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Wow........that's a tough one.....The nucks would feel that EP has shown so much more, but the habs would counter with your guys makes 4M more starting next year.
Not sure either team would go 1 for 1.
 
ReHabs said:
The trade offer is Slafkovsky for Pettersson, 1 for 1. Do you hang up?
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If Gallagher was in the package, I might consider it. However, this is cheap talk because if the Canucks trade Pettersson, they are not after a winger. They will be targeting C and D. I wonder how a Dach, Slaf, Gallagher for EP40 end up? That's a lot of cap going to the Canucks. We are adding EP40's cap hit yes but we actually save cap structure and can go after someone like Ehlers or R Andersson.

I just don't see that type of trade happening. All we can offer is Dach with futures and probably doesn't work for the Canucks.
 
Egresch said:
It is not so easy as there are not so many options there who would be suitable candidates. Left handed center who can win some faceoffs, he is 26 and younger and already proven in NHL that he can be 2nd or 3rd line center. If I filter out players with more than 400 faceoffs who are 26 and younger, it gives me just 27 names in whole league. Few of them are righties and few of them are untouchables, so the realistic names would be guys like Lundell, Beniers, Sillinger, Frost, McLeod, Hayton or Pinto.
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The only guy on your list who might be available is McLeod...because Buffalo and he's RFA this year.

But Buffalo will only trade him to make their team better and the Habs aren't interested in making their team weaker just to replace Dvorak.
 
I wonder if the Canucks would be open to Gallagher at 50% retention. Gallagher goes home for 2 more years at $3.25M.

* EP40 (7 more years @ $11.6M)
for
* Slaf (8 years at $7.6M)
* Dach (1 more year at $3.362M and then RFA)
* Gallagher (50% retention... 2 more years at $3.25M)

Slaf and Dach (with a new contract after next year) likely is much larger than EP40's cap hit.

$14.85M in for the Canucks and $14.21M for the Habs. This actually saves the Habs cap space starting when Dach needs a new contract.
 
ReHabs said:
How magnanimous lol. Unfortunately, the Nucks have zero interest in 30-35pt Gallagher at 6.5 until 2026-27. I don't think any team has any interest in him.
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Not at a high cap yes but at 50% retention, it changes things if he was in the package. In any trade for EP40, cap in should equal cap out.

Slaf, Dach, and Gallagher (50% retention) makes the cap in/out equal for both teams.
 
Habs Halifax said:
Not at a high cap yes but at 50% retention, it changes things if he was in the package. In any trade for EP40, cap in should equal cap out.

Slaf, Dach, and Gallagher (50% retention) makes the cap in/out equal for both teams.
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I'm interested to understand how VAN sees EP40's contract. I didn't figure CBJ and MTL both felt Laine's caphit was such a negative but it turned out to be (much to our advantage). With EP40's 11.6m: Is it a bitter overpayment they want to correct, is it just-too-high to tolerate, or is it perfectly fine and they just want a hockey trade? Does MTL want to absorb the cap hit and the implications that come with it when it comes to renewals?

I think VAN have cold feet with the marriage but want to keep competing. I think they'd want a net smaller cap-hit so they can add other pieces for their window. Slaf + Gallagher at 50%, do they say no?

Rapala said:
I'd definitely have to be listening but I'd probably want to have a line on a power right winger who can replace the things Slaf does well before I did.
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He has a monster frame but he doesn't really play a power game. I'd want a bigger top6 too, tbf, but if the trade has to be done before the TDL (at the Canucks' bequest) are you really hanging up?
 
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Crazy moves but imagine if Hughes pulls this off...

EP40
for Slaf, Dach, Gallagher (50% retention), Mailloux

R Andersson
for Habs 1st (10-16 range), Flames/Panthers 1st, Newhook
Anderson comes with extension

Ehlers
signed as UFA (7x $8M)

Ehlers / Suzuki / Caufield
Laine / Pettersson / Demidov
Heineman / Evans / Kapanen
Roy / Beck / Anderson
RHP

Hutson / Matheson
Guhle / R Andersson
Xhekaj / Carrier
Struble, Engstrom,

* Reinbacher either replaces Matheson or Carrier in the next two seasons. Gives us time to develop him properly in the AHL with some NHL games mixed in (probably going to be injuries)

* Hage replaces Evans at center after 3 more years.

* Yes, this all fits our cap structure.
 
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ReHabs said:
I'm interested to understand how VAN sees EP40's contract. I didn't figure CBJ and MTL both felt Laine's caphit was such a negative but it turned out to be (much to our advantage). With EP40's 11.6m: Is it a bitter overpayment they want to correct, is it just-too-high to tolerate, or is it perfectly fine and they just want a hockey trade? Does MTL want to absorb the cap hit and the implications that come with it when it comes to renewals?

I think VAN have cold feet with the marriage but want to keep competing. I think they'd want a net smaller cap-hit so they can add other pieces for their window. Slaf + Gallagher at 50%, do they say no?


He has a monster frame but he doesn't really play a power game. I'd want a bigger top6 too, tbf, but if the trade has to be done before the TDL (at the Canucks' bequest) are you really hanging up?
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Hard to know how serious the Canucks are with moving either of Pettersson or Miller. My gut tells me they have been trying to move Miller (older asset) but his NMC is giving them some very difficult challenges in what they get back from the teams Miller is open to going to. I think they are open to moving EP40 but want key pieces back that fill multiple holes.

Slaf, Dach, Mailloux, and Gallagher (50% retention), Mailloux, makes them think for sure. Not sure If I love this trade or not to be honest but that's probably what we have to send to get.
 
Andy said:
That is a massive package and really not in line with what other top players have been traded for.
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I'm going overboard and then claw it back after I get interest. A new style that works better on HF boards lol.

My main focus is salary in matching salary out. I think that is one of the most important.

What's your past comparables ?
 
Habs Halifax said:
Hard to know how serious the Canucks are with moving either of Pettersson or Miller. My gut tells me they have been trying to move Miller (older asset) but his NMC is giving them some very difficult challenges in what they get back from the teams Miller is open to going to. I think they are open to moving EP40 but want key pieces back that fill multiple holes.
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I think with Tocchet's vibes and shrimpy Quinn Hughes, they'd rather keep JT Miller than EP40 if they had to choose. EP40 underperforming last playoffs, seemingly losing his speed, and having that mega cap hit is a huge buzzkill for them. Maybe he's not worth acquiring at all if he can't resolve to regain his speed. I just happen to think he's so smart, so skilled, so talented that he can adapt his game before long -- maybe a change of scenery does him well.
Habs Halifax said:
Slaf, Dach, Mailloux, and Gallagher (50% retention), Mailloux, makes them think for sure. Not sure If I love this trade or not to be honest but that's probably what we have to send to get.
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Yeah I don't love the trade either but you have to give to get. As @Rapala said, we'd be pretty small in the top6 and especially so if we lose Dach and Slaf at once.
 
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ReHabs said:
The trade offer is Slafkovsky for Pettersson, 1 for 1. Do you hang up?
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You need to consider this, but I would not accept it. EP40 lost a lot of his speed and he will probably never be that elite 100pts player anymore. On the other hand, he should still be a PPG player and he is LHC.
However, at 11.6M AAV being PPG means overpaid which would bring Habs under big salary cap pressure. Hutson, Demidov will probably need big contract and we still need some investment to our defense. Yet, Slaf has a lot of growth potential and his profile is extremely hard to find.
So you fix one hole (LHC) and create two others (Slaf profile and salary cap).
 
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I think with Tocchet's vibes and shrimpy Quinn Hughes, they'd rather keep JT Miller than EP40 if they had to choose. EP40 underperforming last playoffs, seemingly losing his speed, and having that mega cap hit is a huge buzzkill for them. Maybe he's not worth acquiring at all if he can't resolve to regain his speed. I just happen to think he's so smart, so skilled, so talented that he can adapt his game before long -- maybe a change of scenery does him well.

Yeah I don't love the trade either but you have to give to get. As @Rapala said, we'd be pretty small in the top6 and especially so if we lose Dach and Slaf at once.
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I think the skating/speed narrative with EP40 is a reach at age 26. Just some fans nit picking a players game when they are trending down. If there is a underlining issue with his health, doctors and/or due diligence can find that out for us.

However, it is a real debate in terms of EP40 being worth it or not. Could end up being a franchise talent added (like Eichel) or a negative contract where he is 60-80 pts on a new team. Right now today, he is averaging pt/game in his career. And I'm guilty of liking shooters/snipers so I can be gullible to it

Love Pettersson's talent and if we feel he fits with Suzuki, we should be open to it. I just don't know what other teams are offering. That's the part us fans are blind on.
 
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I'd be worried about getting a 11 million player who goes on long streaks where he just stops producing.

What they'd ask for him would be too much. I'm keeping all of my young players. We can sign an offensive talent on the UFA market without having to lose assets. We're not in a rush.
 
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My God if we gave up that much for an overpaid cream puff like that I'd just jump off a bridge and so would most other fans. Thank sweet baby Jesus that Hughes is in charge and would never do that and not the majority of you guys, cause damn.

Habs Halifax said:
R Andersson
for Habs 1st (10-16 range), Flames/Panthers 1st, Newhook
Anderson comes with extension
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What player has ever gotten any thing close to this type of value in a trade? I can only think of Phil Kessel, which was dumb, and Eric Lindros, the greatest overpay of all time as the only trades where 2 first round picks were traded for one player. You love giving up huge value even though Hughes has shown himself to be 1000x more shrewd. Rasmus Andersson is not worth anything close to that.
 
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