GDT: Trade and Free agent rumours thread | Post Trade Deadline Edition

[Vince Young]

 

[Stephen]

I saw someone suggest Josi, 10th and Evangelista, but I looking at box scores stats, that maybe a lot?

There's no real value in adding a 36 year old Josi.

 

[LeafParade]

I saw someone suggest Josi, 10th and Evangelista, but I looking at box scores stats, that maybe a lot?

The Preds have so many RH forwards. I wonder what it would take to get Evangelista out of there. They could actually use some left wingers to balance their forward lines. They have room for Maccelli and Robertson.

 

[SprDaVE]

I'd be pushing hard to try to grab Hronek.

 

[Sypher04]

Aka I know nothing but I needed to say something

 

[Sypher04]

Bingo. Either we get a similarly aged player back now that fills a bigger need than Knies does or teams can go away.

 

[Morgs]

Harley, Bourque + 2027 1st

 

[thewave]

Bingo. Either we get a similarly aged player back now that fills a bigger need than Knies does or teams can go away.

Needs to be a top D with 1D upside.. won't get it. Just keep him.

 

[Sypher04]

Harley, Bourque + 2027 1st

While this would be amazing, just Harley and Knies 1 for 1 would already be good lol

 

[Sypher04]

Needs to be a top D with 1D upside.. won't get it. Just keep him.

Exactly my point.

 

[Americanadian]

That’s pretty disingenuous. Katchouk and Raddysh weren’t really prospects. They were 23&24 and were just contracts at the time of the trade. That would be like the Leafs trading Steeves in the Carlo deal last year and calling him a part of the return.

 

[Morgs]

While this would be amazing, just Harley and Knies 1 for 1 would already be good lol

Shhh let me dream

 

[Stephen]

Matthew Knies could be better than Brady Tkachuk as early as this year.

I get the power forward position at LW is not a premium position if we are thinking of C and D as the main spine of a team. But these trade talks need to chill out.

 

[Americanadian]

It was a lot but it wasn't a King's ransom. Couple of bottom 6 wingers and a couple of late-1sts. For a guy with a career high 37 points. Knies is MUCH more established now than Hagel was then.

2 1sts for Hagel was widely seen as a king’s ransom at the time.

Hagel became far better than most people probably thought possible. The trade looks bad because Hagel was able to turn himself into a superstar, not because Davidson didn’t get enough in return.

You are correct about Knies - he is already a star and will return more.

 

[Stephen]

I don't understand why Darren Dreger doesn't make up more aspirational rumors when it comes to the Maple Leafs. It's pretty clear he doesn't have a channel to the team anymore, and between these shitty, mid targets and negative trade the 1OA pick ideas are so repulsive it's not worth the click. Make it fresh Dregs, you fool.

 

[Stephen]

2 1sts for Hagel was widely seen as a king’s ransom at the time.

Hagel became far better than most people probably thought possible. The trade looks bad because Hagel was able to turn himself into a superstar, not because Davidson didn’t get enough in return.

You are correct about Knies - he is already a star and will return more.

The best way I can explain my don't trade Matthew Knies logic is, in a league where the best teams find spare change all over the sidewalk, under couch cushions, it doesn't get you very far to trade a loonie for 3, 4 or even 5 quarters.

You make your depth up through shrewd management, buy low, Moneyball and draft and development. You don't get very far peddling youth and quality for whatever it is people are willing to part with.

 

[Kiwi]

IMO, Nemec fits what Chayka would be looking at. Highly gifted 22 year old RHD in addition to drafting McKenna. This I could see.
Future right side:
Raddysh, Nemec, Danford

I love Knies, kids a unicorn but thats a lot to give up and im not even sold on Nemec

 

[Americanadian]

The best way I can explain my don't trade Matthew Knies logic is, in a league where the best teams find spare change all over the sidewalk, under couch cushions, it doesn't get you very far to trade a loonie for 3, 4 or even 5 quarters.

You make your depth up through shrewd management, buy low, Moneyball and draft and development. You don't get very far peddling youth and quality for whatever it is people are willing to part with.

I don’t disagree but I will disagree with you on what is considered a quarter if Knies is a loonie.

 

[seanlinden]

Nah man. We need changes too to bottom.

That's going to ahve to come from pushing somebody like Tanev or Carlo down.

 

[cyris]

Nemec is a reclamation project at this point not the centrepiece of a Knies trade.

He is the kinda guy you trade a late first or 2 2nds for and hope a change of scenery wakes him up to the things he needs to work on. He isn’t a guy you trade a young power forward on a sweetheart deal for.
Like even if that somehow works out it means you got lucky not that you made a smart trade

 

[Stephen]

I don’t disagree but I will disagree with you on what is considered a quarter if Knies is a loonie.

You can make a reasonable guess the other team isn't going to be giving four loonies. Teams sense that Toronto is in disarray and want to take advantage.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Knies + Carlo (50% retained) + 2027 Avalanche 1st
For
Werenski + Voronkov

 

[Americanadian]

You can make a reasonable guess the other team isn't going to be giving four loonies. Teams sense that Toronto is in disarray and want to take advantage.

If it’s Rinzel+4OA what would you consider that? For me that a loonie+50 cents - add tax on that because you’re likely getting 2 players at a premium position.

 

[Stephen]

If it’s Rinzel+4OA what would you consider that? For me that a loonie+50 cents - add tax on that because you’re likely getting 2 players at a premium position.

I'm undecided how high I am on Rinzel, and would really depend on what's on the board at 4OA. If Chicago came to me with that pick I'd be skeptical and would really need pro scouting to comment.

 

[TimeZone]

Disagree, he's not that bad.

There's some work to be done on his defending, but with Hughes and Hamilton there, there isn't a lot of chance to shine in an offensive sense, which is primarily what he should be played as.

Is that a deal for Knies, clearly not for you, but skilled 21 year RHDs aren't the most common commodity in the league, so NJ has the right to ask for value back.

Nemec really isn't that skilled, and my major gripe with him is that he skates like he's in quicksand....we have enough sluggish defenders.

If we're trading Knies we need a significantly better piece coming back, especially if the pick isn't even top 10.