GDT: Trade and Free agent rumours thread | Post Trade Deadline Edition

[dubplatepressure]

I'm undecided how high I am on Rinzel, and would really depend on what's on the board at 4OA. If Chicago came to me with that pick I'd be skeptical and would really need pro scouting to comment.

Rinzel + 4OA + Moore seems to be my “floor” in terms of a CHI deal.

 

[Americanadian]

I'm undecided how high I am on Rinzel, and would really depend on what's on the board at 4OA. If Chicago came to me with that pick I'd be skeptical and would really need pro scouting to comment.

It’s looking like Stenberg goes 2 right now and all the defensemen will be available at 4. Even if Stenberg slides to 4 - I’d trade that pick down again with Calgary or WPG and just take a defenseman at 6 or 7.

 

[Americanadian]

Rinzel + 4OA + Moore seems to be my “floor” in terms of a CHI deal.

They don’t throw Moore in there. I’m not even sure they include Rinzel. The add could be someone like Greene.

 

[weems]

I'm undecided how high I am on Rinzel, and would really depend on what's on the board at 4OA. If Chicago came to me with that pick I'd be skeptical and would really need pro scouting to comment.

I just don't see how it's optimal to have all our best young talent as wingers.

Normally you'd want something like 2 Centers/1D, 1Center/1Winger/1D or even 1Center/2D but having all three of them as wingers seems like a poor setup.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Nemec really isn't that skilled, and my major gripe with him is that he skates like he's in quicksand....we have enough sluggish defenders.

If we're trading Knies we need a significantly better piece coming back, especially if the pick isn't even top 10.

I think the skill is there; in terms of shot/playmaking, skating could be better. seemingly.

Look, I'm not advocating for the Nemec thing, I was taking Kypers information about what he had heard about Knies and the pick supposedly involved and extrapolating that out to NJ.

Could it just as well be Mateychuk+ 14 with CBJ or Jiricek + 11 from STL., for example.

 

[Avilaj07]

Only way Knies is moved to Chicago is for 4th overall and Frondell, or 4th overall and Levshunov.

 

[Americanadian]

The other part is they have no path to even being a playoff team. They need to take a couple big bets to even make the playoffs, let alone contender status.

Keeping the status quo results in Philly getting 12OA.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

So, that’s Nashville, St Louis and NJD.

Nashville. Josi, 10 OA and Wood?
St Louis. Parayko, 11 OA and ??(Thomas? Snuggerud?)
NJD Nemec, Mercer, 12 OA?

I doubt there is truth to this, but that’s what Kyper is saying.

Parayko, 11th overall, Neighbours maybe

 

[Stephen]

They don’t throw Moore in there. I’m not even sure they include Rinzel. The add could be someone like Greene.

You throw out a hypothetical Rinzel and 4OA offer like it's going to blow our socks off. It doesn't, and then you want to get realistic and reel back the hypothetical Chicago offer to something worse. This waste of time simulates why a real world Knies trade is a waste of time.

The only way I could see a Knies trade making sense for me is if we are the ones building a package with Knies, a pick, a prospect and we acquiring something out of this world special. We get the quality, the bigger name, bigger superstar coming back.

 

[Stephen]

I just don't see how it's optimal to have all our best young talent as wingers.

Normally you'd want something like 2 Centers/1D, 1Center/1Winger/1D or even 1Center/2D but having all three of them as wingers seems like a poor setup.

I think we are lucky to even have a class of best young players and the shape of the future team will depend a lot on what the fate of Matthews and Nylander are.

 

[Americanadian]

You throw out a hypothetical Rinzel and 4OA offer like it's going to blow our socks off. It doesn't, and then you want to get realistic and reel back the hypothetical Chicago offer to something worse. This waste of time simulates why a real world Knies trade is a waste of time.

The only way I could see a Knies trade making sense for me is if we are the ones building a package with Knies, a pick, a prospect and we acquiring something out of this world special. We get the quality, the bigger name, bigger superstar coming back.

The prize is the 4th overall pick, not the add.

What is a superstar going to do to this team? They could trade Knies for Makar and they likely still miss the playoffs. They need to build actual depth.

 

[cyris]

Disagree, he's not that bad.

There's some work to be done on his defending, but with Hughes and Hamilton there, there isn't a lot of chance to shine in an offensive sense, which is primarily what he should be played as.

Is that a deal for Knies, clearly not for you, but skilled 21 year RHDs aren't the most common commodity in the league, so NJ has the right to ask for value back.

Needs some work on his defence is understating things quite a bit. Even in highly sheltered he was absolutely brutal defensively last season.
And reports are he wants to be paid similarly to Luke Hughes

 

[Soundgarden]

The Preds have so many RH forwards. I wonder what it would take to get Evangelista out of there. They could actually use some left wingers to balance their forward lines. They have room for Maccelli and Robertson.

Evangelista had more assist than either Maccelli or Robertson had points and Nashville had two under 25 top 6 players him and Wood, he's not getting let go easily.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

The prize is the 4th overall pick, not the add.

What is a superstar going to do to this team? They could trade Knies for Makar and they likely still miss the playoffs. They need to build actual depth.

There’s no way we miss the playoffs with Makar

I’d argue it’s likely we make the playoffs next year with our current roster.

 

[cyris]

The other part is they have no path to even being a playoff team. They need to take a couple big bets to even make the playoffs, let alone contender status.

Keeping the status quo results in Philly getting 12OA.

Making bad trades could mean we are giving up a significantly better pick than that

 

[Rare Jewel]

Needs some work on his defence is understating things quite a bit. Even in highly sheltered he was absolutely brutal defensively last season.
And reports are he wants to be paid similarly to Luke Hughes

Well, that's the thing about 21-year-old Defencemen in the NHL: they're often not as good as they'll become. But maybe he won't be.

 

[hamzarocks]

The prize is the 4th overall pick, not the add.

What is a superstar going to do to this team? They could trade Knies for Makar and they likely still miss the playoffs. They need to build actual depth.

They will use Knies to build depth just it will be win now depth that leads to a 1st or 2nd round exit most likely

Josi + Fedor Svechkov + 11th OA
Parayako + Otto Stenberg + 12th OA
Nemec + 12th OA + Mercer

I doubt we deal it for 4th OA because Chayka/Sundin mandate is to win and get this team back to the playoffs.

The one Knies deal I would entertain that has future and now impacts is with Isles

Aitechson + 13th OA + Ritchie

That would be a great blend of Now impact (Ritchie) + future (Aitechson is likely a top 4D within 2 years + 13th OA gets you a strong prospect added to the pool).

But I feel we would get instead a less appealing offer of

Pulock + 13th OA + Holmstrom/Heinemen

 

[Americanadian]

Making bad trades could mean we are giving up a significantly better pick than that

The Leafs would be in a better position if their pick next year was top 5 than if it was 12. At least then they could action it off.

 

[Americanadian]

There’s no way we miss the playoffs with Makar

I’d argue it’s likely we make the playoffs next year with our current roster.

They aren’t a playoff team as currently constructed. We just saw that.

 

[cyris]

The Leafs would be in a better position if their pick next year was top 5 than if it was 12. At least then they could action it off.

Sure. But if it’s 7-10 not so much. I think both Philly and Boston look at the Leafs at that point and think they are about to blow it up and the 28 pick might be even better.

 

[Americanadian]

They will use Knies to build depth just it will be win now depth that leads to a 1st or 2nd round exit most likely

Josi + Fedor Svechkov + 11th OA
Parayako + Otto Stenberg + 12th OA
Nemec + 12th OA + Mercer

I doubt we deal it for 4th OA because Chayka/Sundin mandate is to win and get this team back to the playoffs.

The one Knies deal I would entertain that has future and now impacts is with Isles

Aitechson + 13th OA + Ritchie

That would be a great blend of Now impact (Ritchie) + future (Aitechson is likely a top 4D within 2 years + 13th OA gets you a strong prospect added to the pool).

But I feel we would get instead a less appealing offer of

Pulock + 13th OA + Holmstrom/Heinemen

If they trade Knies and the centerpiece is a defenseman older than Harley that would be terrible.

An Islanders futures package would be good. I would gladly take that.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

They aren’t a playoff team as currently constructed. We just saw that.

Last season =/= next season

New coach, player improvement, personnel changes. Who knows. If I was a betting man I’d bet on us making it.

 

[Americanadian]

Sure. But if it’s 7-10 not so much. I think both Philly and Boston look at the Leafs at that point and think they are about to blow it up and the 28 pick might be even better.

I agree that 7-10 likely doesn’t result in an auction. Let’s say they keep the status quo and the pick is 12. Let’s say they trade Knies for no roster players and the pick is 7OA and they send it to Philly. What difference does that make? Why not add premium futures while also adding a young roster piece if the pick is already gone.

 

[hamzarocks]

If they trade Knies and the centerpiece is a defenseman older than Harley that would be terrible.

An Islanders futures package would be good. I would gladly take that.

I agree future based package with high end upside near ready/nhl impact pieces would be best

Im just afraid that the team wants to win now and would get greedy and target a Josi/Parayako/Pulock type

 

[cyris]

Well, that's the thing about 21-year-old Defencemen in the NHL: they're often not as good as they'll become. But maybe he won't be.

And often, some guys just never figure it out.
If NJ want Colorado’s first next year for him yeah I take that risk.
But as the centrepiece for a Knies trade??? And then you have to pay him for what he thinks his potential is rather than what he has actually accomplished.