GDT: Trade and Free agent Rumours thread | Chayka off-season edition

[Gabriel426]

To me, unless someone good pops up, don’t think Chayka should go after any of the current UFA Cs. TLK can possibly be playing by next Spring.
Would try Bo and Quillian as 3C and 4C for now and see how that goes.

 

[The Iceman]

3 x $4.5 Tolvanen will be in the same range.

I was on team Tolvanen.
The more I read about his there are some red flags.
We all know he was waived at one point.

The Athletic dropped this tidbit this week
Eeli Tolvanen is in a similar boat as Stephenson, where his raw offensive production looks fine (36 points in 78 games), but the Kraken have gotten crushed from a two-way perspective during his minutes, which severely drags down his overall value.

 

[Fogelhund]

If the Leafs can find a way to get OEL - Tanev as the bottom pair they are cooking.

McCabe - Raddysh
Zellweger - Nemec
OEL - Tanev

I think Nemec is out of our affordability zone, and is going to take years to get to being good defensively. I really like his future upside, but he needs some serious sheltering, and also to likely be your #1 option on the PP. It's probably not a fit.

 

[dubplatepressure]

To me, unless someone good pops up, don’t think Chayka should go after any of the current UFA Cs. TLK can possibly be playing by next Spring.
Would try Bo and Quillian as 3C and 4C for now and see how that goes.

really hope we don't... I'm ok with trying either as the 4C but neither should be seeing 3C minutes in the first 40 games of the season at least.

 

[Gabriel426]

Imagine Chayka signs Bob for 5yrs and then trade Stolze for picks

 

[seanlinden]

I can agree with Rielly over OEL while being less certain of the 4M that separates the two.

This.

If the choice was between Rielly + Domi or OEL + Elias Lindholm; give me OEL + Lindholm.

But that isn't the case. Unless we sign Alex Tuch, we are going to be hard pressed to reach the cap. I think Rielly's better, he's younger, and honestly, he's accustomed to being a bit of the whipping boy - which is an emotional toll that would then be passed onto another player.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Montreal needs to move out a defenseman or two, not bring one in, and Gudas doesn't have the foot speed or the first pass t be part of Montreal's system even if they did have an opening.

I wouldn't be shocked to see the Senators bring him in.

Oh, c'mon, do it for the drama.

Surely MSL has a good book on him through various TB connections.

 

[Buckley]

Yeah the 10-year rebuild was if we try to force things to work, and dont transition to a massive sell off if this team just misses the playoffs.

If we deal all those guys it can be a 3-5 year rebuild and not 10 years.

There won't be any rebuild, so it's all moot.

 

[hamzarocks]

There won't be any rebuild, so it's all moot.

You better hope we make the playoffs.

Otherwise its rebuilding time

 

[Buckley]

I'll guess Chicago.

I still wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being San Jose or Anaheim.

 

[TMLAM34]

To Toronto: Josh Norris
To Buffalo: Brandon Carlo + 2027 COL 1st Round Draft Pick

To Toronto: Ryan Winterton
To Seattle: Nick Robertson

To Toronto: 2026 TOR 2nd Round Draft Pick
To Chicago: Morgan Rielly


UFA Signings: Boone Jenner + Oliver Bjorkstrand + Ryan Shea


McKenna - Matthews - Knies
Tavares - Norris - Nylander
Cowan - Jenner - Bjorkstrand
Lorentz - Groulx - Winterton

McCabe - Raddysh
Shea - Ekman Larsson
Andrae - Tanev

Stolarz - Hildeby

 

[Buckley]

You better hope we make the playoffs.

Otherwise its rebuilding time

I don't have any concern about the Leafs making the playoffs, but that isn't my point. They aren't rebuilding even if the team misses the playoffs. In a worst case scenario, they would trade Matthews for a package that includes NHL players. What I'm saying is that there is no scenario where MLSE will rebuild while they are actively negotiating a minority US private equity investment and an ultimate go-public transaction. There is literally no scenario where they would risk devaluing the brand as part of this strategy.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

To Toronto: Josh Norris
To Buffalo: Brandon Carlo + 2027 COL 1st Round Draft Pick

To Toronto: Ryan Winterton
To Seattle: Nick Robertson

To Toronto: 2026 TOR 2nd Round Draft Pick
To Chicago: Morgan Rielly


UFA Signings: Boone Jenner + Oliver Bjorkstrand + Ryan Shea


McKenna - Matthews - Knies
Tavares - Norris - Nylander
Cowan - Jenner - Bjorkstrand
Lorentz - Groulx - Winterton

McCabe - Raddysh
Shea - Ekman Larsson
Andrae - Tanev

Stolarz - Hildeby

I like that target for bottom 6.

 

[hamzarocks]

I don't have any concern about the Leafs making the playoffs, but that isn't my point. They aren't rebuilding even if the team misses the playoffs. In a worst case scenario, they would trade Matthews for a package that includes NHL players. What I'm saying is that there is no scenario where MLSE will rebuild while they are actively negotiating a minority US private equity investment and an ultimate go-public transaction. There is literally no scenario where they would risk devaluing the brand as part of this strategy.

1. You should have concern about the leafs making the playoffs. Its a possibility we need to pass better teams

2. If we miss the playoffs, we are rebuilding. MLSE doesnt decide. Matthews, Tavares, nylander will decide and make it happen. MLSE doesnt decide the future, those 3 players do

 

[dubplatepressure]

To Toronto: Josh Norris
To Buffalo: Brandon Carlo + 2027 COL 1st Round Draft Pick

To Toronto: Ryan Winterton
To Seattle: Nick Robertson

To Toronto: 2026 TOR 2nd Round Draft Pick
To Chicago: Morgan Rielly


UFA Signings: Boone Jenner + Oliver Bjorkstrand + Ryan Shea


McKenna - Matthews - Knies
Tavares - Norris - Nylander
Cowan - Jenner - Bjorkstrand
Lorentz - Groulx - Winterton

McCabe - Raddysh
Shea - Ekman Larsson
Andrae - Tanev

Stolarz - Hildeby

I like these moves. I'd add Brandon Duhaime to the 4th line and punt Lorentz or at least leave him to fight for a role. I also think the package is light for Norris but not far off.

 

[dubplatepressure]

2. If we miss the playoffs, we are rebuilding. MLSE doesnt decide. Matthews, Tavares, nylander will decide and make it happen. MLSE doesnt decide the future, those 3 players do

you're confused.

 

[TMLAM34]

I don't have any concern about the Leafs making the playoffs, but that isn't my point. They aren't rebuilding even if the team misses the playoffs. In a worst case scenario, they would trade Matthews for a package that includes NHL players. What I'm saying is that there is no scenario where MLSE will rebuild while they are actively negotiating a minority US private equity investment and an ultimate go-public transaction. There is literally no scenario where they would risk devaluing the brand as part of this strategy.

Not siding with anyone because I do believe any Matthews trade if it did get there would be young NHL players heavy opposed to draft picks but do you really think Toronto entering a rebuild would devalue the brand? The brand is too big, if we enter a rebuild it will be embraced and the company wouldn’t loose a penny. Lol

 

[TMLAM34]

I like these moves. I'd add Brandon Duhaime to the 4th line and punt Lorentz or at least leave him to fight for a role. I also think the package is light for Norris but not far off.

Given Chayka is analytically driven, I think Lorentz is basically a lock for the 4th line.

I think he’s too vanilla personally, I would prefer more of a banger like Malenstyn, but you can’t deny the numbers do favour Lorentz.

 

[Buckley]

1. You should have concern about the leafs making the playoffs. Its a possibility we need to pass better teams

2. If we miss the playoffs, we are rebuilding. MLSE doesnt decide. Matthews, Tavares, nylander will decide and make it happen. MLSE doesnt decide the future, those 3 players do

They wouldn't rebuild even if Matthews is traded. They are not going to actively risk the loss of playoff revenue. It just won't happen. Like anything, it's possible that the team could miss the playoffs for a decade straight because of incompetence, but with Rogers now the controlling owner they will never do what Shanahan did.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Given Chayka is analytically driven, I think Lorentz is basically a lock for the 4th line.

I think he’s too vanilla personally, I would prefer more of a banger like Malenstyn, but you can’t deny the numbers do favour Lorentz.

We'll have the cap to go and get Malenstyn and Duhaime. Agree on Lorentz - very vanilla.

 

[hamzarocks]

you're confused.

Nah thats the truth but some fans dont want to accept reality. You are one of them it appears

 

[Duffman955]

I hate vanilla 4th lines.

They skate around contributing nothing.

Give me some guys who are going to hammer defensemen and run over the opposing goalie and punch Tkachuk in the face.

 

[hamzarocks]

They wouldn't rebuild even if Matthews is traded. They are not going to actively risk the loss of playoff revenue. It just won't happen. Like anything, it's possible that the team could miss the playoffs for a decade straight because of incompetence, but with Rogers now the controlling owner they will never do what Shanahan did.

There is no playoff revenue when you are not good enough to make the playoffs. There would be a loss of regular season revenue as fans stop following a failing team similar to previous kessel era leafs when things got bad.

If matthews ask out its a mid 70 point team at besr. Its common sense and not that hard to understand what the loss of Matthews would do to this team

You miss the playoffs again, the house of cards falls and all core players want out. That suppresses their values and you take future assets to reposition

MLSE have no control in whether a player wants to be a leaf or not. The Leafs can contend and sell toronto as a major destination due to Matthews and lesser extent nylander and tavares.

We need to do well so these guys can still buy into this team and want to stay. If they want out, we will not be an attractive organization to players (UFA or potential tradable stars)

They will do what's best to retain fan strength and continue to build out the Raptors, FC and bring the Jay's into the MLSE portfolio in a while.

Fingers crossed the retool works, Matthews bounces back and we go atleast ECF this year. Then can extend matthews and build a 5-7 year playoff contender again

 

[dubplatepressure]

Nah thats the truth but some fans dont want to accept reality. You are one of them it appears

lol is that what you're going with? "all those who disagree are just ignorant!"? Good luck with that.

The players play - the management group determines direction. Common knowledge (for most).

 

[LeafChief]

There are still people in this thread that deny the spoken word of @Buckley after everything he's given us over the last few months?

Shame.