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Tim Stutzle vs Auston Matthews Contracts Included

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Kevin8se7en said:
Leafs fans have gotten use to 'bargain bin' shopping because their top players eat up so much of the cap. It's their reality, but their mistake is believing it applies to everyone else.
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LMAO! And the Sens don't shop in the bargain bin? Christ...
 
This forum really is dumber than a sack of hammers at times. :laugh:

Matthews. Obviously Matthews.
 
Xspyrit said:
The results of this poll shows the massive PRO Leafs bias and ANTI Sens bias. It should be much more than a 55-45 ratio... Stutzle has been outpacing Matthews for 90+ games and makes 3.3 less this season and 5.0 less starting next season.

Stutzle is 21 y/o as we speak, of course Matthews had an advantage when Stutzle was still a teenager



I'll take someone else then! A retired player who has more goals and points and cost 0$ on the cap!

Life is so easy!



You were not looking at paces and averages at all though
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Yes I know….that was my comment to the one that suggested pace and averages doesn’t make sense…..what is the alternative then? Looking at raw points is dumb at this point
 
Golden_Jet said:
Why is it dumb, they don’t hand out “pace” awards.
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I get that....but people were trying to compare players rather than a specific point in time. I honestly haven't read through all of this as I haven't been interested enough....but Stutzle seems to have been lauded for his season last year (78 games, 39 goals and 90 points) and Matthews crapped on for his season (74 games, 40 goals and 85 points). Seems odd....I get Matthews is more experienced and makes more money.

If you just look at raw stats for the years both have been in the NHL (Stutzle - 223 games, 71 goals, 194pts, Matthews - 214 games, 154 goals, 276pts).

I'm honestly not trying to make any arguments here, I try my very best to avoid the discussions starting with "cap hit considered" because I just hate that....I look at who I think is the better player...that can be subjective enough to begin with. For me, Matthews has clearly been the better player, last year wasn't great, but effectively on par with Stutzle's year. Stutzle will likely continue to improve, etc.....but I'm not in a position to say much at this point....anything is possible (he could blow Matthews away in the next few years, who knows).
 
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NyQuil said:
Friedman came out and said that Pinto was grateful to Dorion for not going public with the investigation and basically taking the slings and arrows for not signing him when the truth was related to the gambling situation.
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Oh yeah. Totally. I’m sure when they signed tarasenko and left them no money to sign Pinto was when they were investigating. Good logic.
 
The90 said:
It’s rich getting petty comment from sens fans when the leafs have been a far better team, while also being able to sign their 3c. The sens can’t say the same
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How is that even petty? It's literally a commonly known fact that the Leafs are always looking for 'value' signings because they have no cap left.

You're just one of those fans that thinks anything and everything that isn't pure praise is negative and an attack on your beloved team. lol

MCR74 said:
LMAO! And the Sens don't shop in the bargain bin? Christ...
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Until this single year, the Sens haven't had cap issues to sign anyone. They literally signed Giroux, Tarasenko, and Korpisalo in the last year and a bit. All of them were coveted UFAs several team were interested in.

The only notable UFA the Leafs have signed in the last 5 years is Bertuzzi. Everyone else has barely garnered interest around the league. Many of them have been well past their prime guys like Thornton, Spezza, Simmonds. All while losing guys like Bunting, Mikheyev, and Hyman as cap casualties.

It's honestly weird that you're even trying to compare the well documented Leafs cap troubles, to a Sens team that's had cap space for years up until a few months ago.
 
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Kevin8se7en said:
How is that even petty? It's literally a commonly known fact that the Leafs are always looking for 'value' signings because they have no cap left.

You're just one of those fans that thinks anything and everything that isn't pure praise is negative and an attack on your beloved team. lol



Until this single year, the Sens haven't had cap issues to sign anyone. They literally signed Giroux, Tarasenko, and Korpisalo in the last year and a bit. All of them were coveted UFAs several team were interested in.

The only notable UFA the Leafs have signed in the last 5 years is Bertuzzi. Everyone else has barely garnered interest around the league. Many of them have been well past their prime guys like Thornton, Spezza, Simmonds. All while losing guys like Bunting, Mikheyev, and Hyman as cap casualties.

It's honestly weird that you're even trying to compare the well documented Leafs cap troubles, to a Sens team that's had cap space for years up until a few months ago.
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No the leafs have been fantastic at signing cheap deals. I’m not even close to pretending otherwise. I’d challenge that their pro scouting has been among tops in the league the last few years. As has their cap management. Sens can’t say the same to door #2
 
The90 said:
No the leafs have been fantastic at signing cheap deals. I’m not even close to pretending otherwise. I’d challenge that their pro scouting has been among tops in the league the last few years. As has their cap management. Sens can’t say the same to door #2
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I literally didn't say a single thing about their pro scouting, yet somehow you reply with a post entirely based around it.

Moving on... lol
 
Kevin8se7en said:
The only notable UFA the Leafs have signed in the last 5 years is Bertuzzi. Everyone else has barely garnered interest around the league. Many of them have been well past their prime guys like Thornton, Spezza, Simmonds. All while losing guys like Bunting, Mikheyev, and Hyman as cap casualties.
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How come we get negative credit for losing Mikheyev and Bunting but we dont get the positive credit for... signing them as free agents?

They're notable when they go to other teams but Toronto doesn't get credit for literally the same players?
 
Kevin8se7en said:
I literally didn't say a single thing about their pro scouting, yet somehow you reply with a post entirely based around it.

Moving on... lol
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You literally posted about how they’re signing ‘value players’. Your words. Where does a genius think the decision and background work comes from in signing these ‘value players’.

Sens have been up against ‘cap hell’ for 1, single, year, and couldn’t figure it out enough to have an extra 2-2.5 million lol it’s hilarious

Namikaze Minato said:
How come we get negative credit for losing Mikheyev and Bunting but we dont get the positive credit for... signing them as free agents?

They're notable when they go to other teams but Toronto doesn't get credit for literally the same players?
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Doesn’t suit the nonsense argument
 
Namikaze Minato said:
How come we get negative credit for losing Mikheyev and Bunting but we dont get the positive credit for... signing them as free agents?

They're notable when they go to other teams but Toronto doesn't get credit for literally the same players?
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Yes, Bunting was a bargain bin contract. It literally proves my point that the Leafs have had to go out and find those contracts because they've had no other choice.

Somehow you and a few others have turned that into a negative thing for no reason at all.

The90 said:
You literally posted about how they’re signing ‘value players’. Your words. Where does a genius think the decision and background work comes from in signing these ‘value players’.

Sens have been up against ‘cap hell’ for 1, single, year, and couldn’t figure it out enough to have an extra 2-2.5 million lol it’s hilarious


Doesn’t suit the nonsense argument
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I stated a very well known fact which is the Leafs have had to spend the little cap space they've had for years - on bargain bin contracts. That seemed to upset you for some reason. lol

Now you've resorted to bringing up the Sens situation as some strange defence that's completely unrelated to a fact you're attempting to dismiss/deflect.

No one is arguing anything. You're just mad because you don't like what I said. lol
 
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i like stutzles trajectory better but he hasnt done anything in the nhl compared to matthews. no playoffs or a single major trophy win.
 
Kevin8se7en said:
Yes, Bunting was a bargain bin contract. It literally proves my point that the Leafs have had to go out and find those contracts because they've had no other choice.

Somehow you and a few others have turned that into a negative thing for no reason at all.



I stated a very well known fact which is the Leafs have had to spend the little cap space they've had for years - on bargain bin contracts. That seemed to upset you for some reason. lol

Now you've resorted to bringing up the Sens situation as some strange defence that's completely unrelated to a fact you're attempting to dismiss/deflect.

No one is arguing anything. You're just mad because you don't like what I said. lol
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And they’ve done it exceptionally well. You trying to make it a weakness is hilarious.
 
The90 said:
And they’ve done it exceptionally well. You trying to make it a weakness is hilarious.
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When did I say it was a weakness?
I said it was their reality - which it is.

The only hilarious part is you're going to try and fnd where I said anything of the sort - and realise how wrong you have been this entire time. lol
 
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Namikaze Minato said:
When the hell did I do that?
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I didn’t do that either. He’s literally trying to spin the leafs doing well at signing UFA’s and filling in gaps as a negative. While the team has had 111 and 114 point seasons. Meanwhile, his team can’t even sign their 3c. Leafs cap hell and all that though.
 
Namikaze Minato said:
When the hell did I do that?
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You literally asked why they didn't get credit for signings, but get flack for losing those same players. You're reply suggest I was being negative, when all I did was point out a fact that's well known. It was a neutral statement taken negatively.

The90 said:
I didn’t do that either. He’s literally trying to spin the leafs doing well at signing UFA’s and filling in gaps as a negative. While the team has had 111 and 114 point seasons. Meanwhile, his team can’t even sign their 3c. Leafs cap hell and all that though.
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I literally never said anything negative about the signings. You're just whining because you got lost in a simple discussion. Lol
 
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