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Tim Murray Signs Contract Extension
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Why are you leaning that way? Beyond pure optimism for what should be a fun hobby.
old kummelweck
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Because while people like to point to the fact that he needed Crosby and Malkin to win a cup, there have been other coaches that couldn't even get it done with those two. So with the concern I will devolve this enlightening exchange into a dissertation of 'Bylsma: The Penguin years', simply put, the guy has won at the highest level. That's buys him some latitude. That and head injuries: I've had several concussions.
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There's no way Bylsma was getting let go after last year, considering it was his first year and they did make a huge improvement in points over the year before. I think that unless the team is a complete dumpster fire, he will at least get the rest of this season too, and then they will reevaluate. How long is his contract? I seem to remember two years.
The guy who won a cup with someone else's system... then got demolished in the playoffs the following years after implementing his own.
that Flyers series is the perfect microcosm of Bylsma's ineptitude as a coach
Aladyyn
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Jim Bob
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http://www.otherleague.com/contracts/nhl-head-coach-contracts-salaries/
This says he has 4 years left. I believe he got a 5 year deal. So, 3 more years after this season.
Haha head injuries make sense. As someone who watched the entire pens years, in school in the pittsburgh area for his whole run, I would say this.
He won at the highest level, the cup, only in the year he was brought in halfway thru. This occurred late enough in the year that he absolutely could not effectuate a change to the teams system. It was basically a change of personality, which was good cuz therrien was and is a bit of a dick.
Remember that same team had been to the finals the year before and had a ton of talent including crosby and malkin in their primes.
Every year after that, as he put his imprint on the team, they routinely looked undisciplined, slow to adjust and underperformed in the playoffs.
If you look past the surface of his regular season record and one cup, and understand how it happened, I don't see a lot of reason to be optimistic.
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Bylsma won't get to coach Eichel again. He will be fired before Thanksgiving.
I don't even think Bylsma was Murray's choice, it was a Pegula hire.
The team isn't that good to begin with if Jack Eichel is the difference between winning and losing.
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You see the team for what it really is. If you are 30th without your top player you don't have a good team.
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None of it is rambling. If it doesn't make sense to you maybe you didn't comprehend it. Try re-reading it again, just go much slower this time. Then you can respond point by point to anything you don't agree with.
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I really doubt that, but we'll see. Our record would have to be terrible for that to happen (which is possible based on last night, I will grant you).
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Look at our lineup for Sunday. Its horrible. This is one of the worst lineups in the NHL.
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Because NHL readiness isn't the only factor that goes into a team's draft decisions. It's also not a good comparison at all, because if Montreal wants to see Sergachev at the NHL level this year it has to be now, otherwise he has to go back to juniors. We have no idea if he'll play more than 9 games for them. Nylander on the other hand can go to the AHL and can be called up to the NHL later in the season if he's ready.
Sadly GMTM's future and his legacy will be much different than it would have been had the Sabres won one of the last two lotteries. Even should Eichel come back fully from his injury, he'll be a solid, 65-point-a-year player for ten years. And so, perhaps, will Sam. But the two players we missed out on are, unfortunately, on a different level. A much different level. Their organizations may somehow stumble and bumble away the Cup chances they've been handed (Edmonton perhaps; Toronto, with Babcock and Lamoriello, likely not). If Tim had lucked out once . . . we coulda been a contender for many years. It's painful to say. I hate the Leafs, and don't have as many decades left to hope for a Cup as I used to.
brian_griffin
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I hope Santa brings you some reality for Christmas.
The going rate for playres like Josh Gorges was a 2nd round pick and a $4M per salary. Another available player of similar talent at the time acquired would have cost (i.e., pick + salary) that amount. Can you cite other players of equal or better talent which were available to BUF for less?
I agree Gionta should not be on the 4th line with this many forward injuries to start this season. That's on Bylsma, not Murray.
Kane... What value do you place on him in trade and can you cite an example where Murray turned down that value in the past 6 months? You seem to prefer Kane be traded at below market value, so for how low are you willing to sell?
Your Vesey "argument" has been debunked in multiple Vesey threads.
1.5 goals on Lehner last night, 1.5 on team defense, the 4th was a good MTL play. You seriously blaming Murray for playing Jeff Gillooly on Lehner's ankle vs. OTT in the opener last year? (Google it if you're too young to get the reference.) Has Lehner arrived in shape this season?
I disagree the ONLY (my emphasis) good prospects are the 2nd overalls or the ones left over from Regier.
A key theme in your rant is cost for output or value for performance. In any of the cases you cite, how have the player salaries quoted above prevented BUF from making roster moves to help the team, where the Sabres either had a known, willing, trade partner, or a UFA who wanted to come to BUF but couldn't because BUF couldn't afford to pay? Please cite your examples. If not, drop the player salary arguments.
An argument can be made Murray should not have been extended, yet. IMO, none of what you cite above are credible arguments, with the possible exception of ~#20 overall for Lehner. But IIRC we were led to believe OTT would not take an early 2nd round pick instead.
What does the bolded mean? One might argue the rebuild is not finished (as the Sabres are emerging from it). One can argue it is too early to judge whether the rebuild is successful or not. It IS CLEAR TO ME that the timeframe to accomplish a scorched-earth rebuild is SHORTENED under the current CBA than it was under the prior CBA.
I grant the extension could have waited. But if his deal was up this spring, I see no reason TPegs would have started over with another person.
Okposo and Kulikov are huge for this summer. Just as ROR was huge in that summer. Okpose an anchor by year #4 - Murray's vision is to be a deep playoff run team a couple times within that 4 year window. Was there a better UFA available who had a lower probability of being an anchor in year #4? Any GM signing a top-tier UFA in his late 20's has to give long term, or else another team will. It is the nature of the market and the CBA that a risk comes with signing the term that a player becomes an anchor. The only way to avoid it, is not pursue any such long-term UFAs. I don't think that omission is a wise strategy for a rising team like BUF.
the blueline moves may not be finished, and the Kulikov for Pysyk swap is HUGE for the blueline in terms of what it does to the pairings. Both these points have been made, with examples, in several threads.
I haven't seen ANYONE expecting a large role nor large contribution from Moulson, Des, Fasching. Most healthy rosters have 1 of them in the pressbox, and at least one of the others on the bottom line, with all of them in limited minutes (counting special teams).
Sabres are unprepared to withstand multiple injuries to the upper-end of roster talent. As are probably all but a couple NHL clubs, at most.
If '16/17 was to be his last year, I can understand the extension. And I can more readily understand it being done now.
Objectively, why is Bylsma the best available coach for Buffalo for this season, injuries or not? (what did you observe last season that suggests he will get more out of the Sabres talent than any other available coach could?)
their talent improved so their possession improved, so their goal differential improved, so their points improved. it would have been damn near impossible for the Sabres goal differential to not improve last season. As improbable as me winning the powerball twice while simultaneously being stung by bees, bitten by a shark, and struck by lightning during a thunderstorm in the Atacama desert, and have it all witnessed by Stevie Wonder.
I agree he would not have been released after one season.
I believe the Sabres will make NO improvements in coming from behind to win games in the 3rd period until they employ a system different from the one Bylsma uses. It is too easily defended, too "punchless", and too passively preventive on the defensive side.
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Or maybe you see a systematic/coaching issue are the root of the problem. And therefor it is not an issue of roster construction.
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Der Jaeger
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You don't need to provide a list of potential hires to prove that Bylsma's system isn't suited to the players.
Aladyyn
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What does it matter if I have a list or not???
If I post some out of work coaches, does that do anything to change Bylsma's proven ineptitude?
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It really is a just a question, I have no idea who they should hire. I'm wondering who is out there.
