Tim Murray Signs Contract Extension

[Montag DP]

Even Ted Nolan could get a 20 point improvement with that roster probably.

their talent improved so their possession improved, so their goal differential improved, so their points improved. it would have been damn near impossible for the Sabres goal differential to not improve last season. As improbable as me winning the powerball twice while simultaneously being stung by bees, bitten by a shark, and struck by lightning during a thunderstorm in the Atacama desert, and have it all witnessed by Stevie Wonder.

Yes, I know. You guys are apparently reading something into my post that I didn't actually say. I didn't mean to imply that Bylsma was the reason for the improvement in the standings, just that the improvement was good enough that there wasn't adequate reason to let him go after one season. The team would have had to tank again for that to have had a chance of happening. This year is a different story. I think Dan will be on really thin ice if they regress or stay the same.

 

[Aladyyn]

I agree that there was no reason to fire him after last year. I am super worried that we are looking this bad though. If we have a terrible start Bylsma should be gone. I will be very uncomfortable if he is our coach next year.

 

[brian_griffin]

Yes, I know. You guys are apparently reading something into my post that I didn't actually say. I didn't mean to imply that Bylsma was the reason for the improvement in the standings, just that the improvement was good enough that there wasn't adequate reason to let him go after one season. The team would have had to tank again for that to have had a chance of happening. This year is a different story. I think Dan will be on really thin ice if they regress or stay the same.

Sorry, I should have noted I was amplifying your response in rebutal to Kummelwick (not rebuting you).

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Talking about firing Bylsma feels a lot like talking about firing Darcy, which actually also feels a lot like the talk of firing Rex.

 

[ZZamboni]

I'm willing to give Bylsma all year to see if he can take this team and improve it. But then cut ties if he fails.

I'm willing to give Tim Murray 2-3 more years to see if he can improve the team so the coach can improve the team.

I guess I'm just more patient than a few others.

 

[Zip15]

Moulson and Franson are his only mistakes and we have staple players like Larrson and ROR and Okposo that wouldn't have happened without him. His drafts have been fine, it's not his fault they lost lotteries. He had almost nothing to work with when he started and we have a pretty good 23 man roster when healthy. You can't expect to have depth immediately as well, especially when all your first round picks year after year are already on the team. Remeber Darcy's first round picks? I don't, they never made the team. That's step 2 and we haven't gotten there yet.

1. Larsson was acquired by Darcy in the Pominville deal.

2. Mr. "Franchise Defenseman" Rasmus Ristolainen was a Regier 1st rounder. As was Zadorov, who was the big piece necessary to land ROR. A monkey could've drafted Eichel and Sam. Murray gets minimal credit for those picks. His drafts will be judged by Nylander and how the rest of his picks fare.

Regier needed to go, but the record should reflect the above.

Honestly if i had the choice between the sabres having had won the lottery in the two tank years or get babcock, i might go Babcock

Ekblad and mcdavid are both great and would upgrade what we got, but the difference is not as great in its overall effect as having bylsma rin this clown show into the ground.

What. The. ****?

McDavid is going to be better than Crosby. The bolded is the most inane thing I've read all day, and I've read a lot of inanity today.

Ralph Krueger does not have a coaching job

Krueger is making a bit of coin with Southampton. If he bought out Bylsma, how many fired coaches would Terry be paying not to coach his teams?

 

[Aladyyn]

1. Larsson was acquired by Darcy in the Pominville deal.

2. Mr. "Franchise Defenseman" Rasmus Ristolainen was a Regier 1st rounder. As was Zadorov, who was the big piece necessary to land ROR. A monkey could've drafted Eichel and Sam. Murray gets minimal credit for those picks. His drafts will be judged by Nylander and how the rest of his picks fare.

Regier needed to go, but the record should reflect the above.



What. The. ****?

McDavid is going to be better than Crosby. The bolded is the most inane thing I've read all day, and I've read a lot of inanity today.



Krueger is making a bit of coin with Southampton. If he bought out Bylsma, how many fired coaches would Terry be paying not to coach his teams?

It does not matter. Stanley Cup is the only thing that matters.

 

[sabrebuild]

1. Larsson was acquired by Darcy in the Pominville deal.

2. Mr. "Franchise Defenseman" Rasmus Ristolainen was a Regier 1st rounder. As was Zadorov, who was the big piece necessary to land ROR. A monkey could've drafted Eichel and Sam. Murray gets minimal credit for those picks. His drafts will be judged by Nylander and how the rest of his picks fare.

Regier needed to go, but the record should reflect the above.



What. The. ****?

McDavid is going to be better than Crosby. The bolded is the most inane thing I've read all day, and I've read a lot of inanity today.



Krueger is making a bit of coin with Southampton. If he bought out Bylsma, how many fired coaches would Terry be paying not to coach his teams?

I don't think that's guaranteed by any stretch. But sure it's possible. As my post said, I might do it, not its a slam dunk choice.

But in the long term, having probably the best coach in the league, who doesn't burn out his teams, provides a big impact on the performance of the whole team.

Using crosby as an example, it could be argued that bylsma limited the pens championship aspiration, despite a crosby and malkin level player.

If you trade the stache and bylsma does toews have any cups? Is there a reversal of who is the best leader in their generation?

I don't know for sure, but I think it's obtuse to think there is not an impact.

The real key is the term that bylsma stays and the damage done. If I knew for sure when I'm making the mythical choice that bylsma would only be here for 2-3 years, then ya I would rather have mcdavid. But if he gets 5 + years and wastes my cheap elc deal and my statical prime for offensive. ...

 

[Zip15]

I don't think that's guaranteed by any stretch. But sure it's possible. As my post said, I might do it, not its a slam dunk choice.

But in the long term, having probably the best coach in the league, who doesn't burn out his teams, provides a big impact on the performance of the whole team.

Using crosby as an example, it could be argued that bylsma limited the pens championship aspiration, despite a crosby and malkin level player.

If you trade the stache and bylsma does toews have any cups? Is there a reversal of who is the best leader in their generation?

I don't know for sure, but I think it's obtuse to think there is not an impact.

The real key is the term that bylsma stays and the damage done. If I knew for sure when I'm making the mythical choice that bylsma would only be here for 2-3 years, then ya I would rather have mcdavid. But if he gets 5 + years and wastes my cheap elc deal and my statical prime for offensive. ...

I'll take the HOF, generational talent. You take the dude in the suit. I like my chances.

 

[pigpen65]

I'm willing to give Bylsma all year to see if he can take this team and improve it. But then cut ties if he fails.

I'm willing to give Tim Murray 2-3 more years to see if he can improve the team so the coach can improve the team.

I guess I'm just more patient than a few others.

It doesn't take 2-3 years for a bad GM to damage a franchise's ability to compete for the next 10 years. Murray was talking about 12 million dollars per year for Stamkos. Cap hell. So stupid Stamkos himself knew that it would hinder his own ability to ever compete for a championship. It has nothing to do with patience. It's about competence. You should be able to tell the difference.

 

[MackAttack26]

Can we wait till game 2 to start panicking, please?

 

[joshjull]

Because while people like to point to the fact that he needed Crosby and Malkin to win a cup, there have been other coaches that couldn't even get it done with those two. So with the concern I will devolve this enlightening exchange into a dissertation of 'Bylsma: The Penguin years', simply put, the guy has won at the highest level. That's buys him some latitude. That and head injuries: I've had several concussions.

I love this response

 

[krt88]

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Cheers, everyone need to chill but thank for the entertaining banter

 

[ZZamboni]

It doesn't take 2-3 years for a bad GM to damage a franchise's ability to compete for the next 10 years. Murray was talking about 12 million dollars per year for Stamkos. Cap hell. So stupid Stamkos himself knew that it would hinder his own ability to ever compete for a championship. It has nothing to do with patience. It's about competence. You should be able to tell the difference.

Doesn't change my opinion. Thanks for playing.

 

[Paxon]

It doesn't take 2-3 years for a bad GM to damage a franchise's ability to compete for the next 10 years. Murray was talking about 12 million dollars per year for Stamkos. Cap hell. So stupid Stamkos himself knew that it would hinder his own ability to ever compete for a championship. It has nothing to do with patience. It's about competence. You should be able to tell the difference.

That quote from Murray was seriously misconstrued. He did not say "I would pay Stamkos $12 million a year". He was talking about the market for such a player in his prime. Maybe he would have/did offer that much, but it's not a known fact. One thing we should see as a fact is that this team would very much benefit from anyone near Stamkos' ability to skate and score.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

I'm willing to give Bylsma all year to see if he can take this team and improve it. But then cut ties if he fails.

I'm willing to give Tim Murray 2-3 more years to see if he can improve the team so the coach can improve the team.

With a rebuilding team, you have to give both of them these durations before cutting ties. Totally agree. I didn't like the Bylsma hire, and like it even worse now, but you have to give people a chance, and time. Benefit of the doubt that they can fix mistakes if you're the one who hired them. Also, you look bad as a GM if you're going through coaches like Edmonton was.

 

[Paxon]

With a rebuilding team, you have to give both of them these durations before cutting ties. Totally agree. I didn't like the Bylsma hire, and like it even worse now, but you have to give people a chance, and time. Benefit of the doubt that they can fix mistakes if you're the one who hired them. Also, you look bad as a GM if you're going through coaches like Edmonton was.

My belief in sports is that you have to give a GM time once you commit, but not necessarily a coach. The exception to that is in the NFL where you really need to tailor personnel to a system, so that coaching changes (4-3 to 3-4, etc) require personnel changes. If Bylsma is indeed a bad coach or a bad fit, firing him this past offseason and replacing him with a better coach would have helped, not hurt. So, if this season shows us that Bylsma is either a poor coach or not the coach for this team, it's time to move on. I'm already there, but he's not going anywhere until the offseason.

 

[wunderpanda]

I'm mostly indifferent to this. Can't yet judge how his hand picked coach & hand picked roster are going to turn out. Most of his tenure the focus was losing & injuries have seriously impacted winning expectations the rest of the time. Need to see how his drafts look outside of 2nd overall, need to see if his targeted players work out. Not like they can't fire him tomorrow anyway.

(thought Tim was in year 3 of a 5.5 year deal, 5 years plus his midseason hiring)

 

[gallagt01]

Jesus, look what he's paying for O'Reilly and Moulson. This team is already hamstrung. And please don't tell me about O'Reilly's recent stint on Team Canada where he played 4th line minutes accumulating zero points.

Murray isn't 1/3rd the GM that Yzerman is.

Did you really just point to the ROR contract as a way to detract the job Murray has done?

IF O'Reilly is overpaid, it's by less than $1 million. His contract won't be the reason this team is hamstrung (if it ever actually becomes hamstrung).

 

[JOVIS*]

Did you really just point to the ROR contract as a way to detract the job Murray has done?

IF O'Reilly is overpaid, it's by less than $1 million. His contract won't be the reason this team is hamstrung (if it ever actually becomes hamstrung).

Team is already hamstrung for this year. Gionta, Moulson, Ennis, Gorges, Bogosian, etc. 2ish million in cap space available for one of the worst teams in the league. Granted Gionta comes off the books after this year but we don't exactly have a lot of cap space to work with. None of those guys will be around if we have a winning team except maybe Bogo if he could ever manage to stay healthy for any extended time. Ennis looks shot. Moulson & gorges... LOL.

 

[old kummelweck]

Did they call anyone up?

 

[Aladyyn]

Did they call anyone up?

Baptiste IIRC

 

[Steddy33]

Jesus, look what he's paying for O'Reilly and Moulson. This team is already hamstrung. And please don't tell me about O'Reilly's recent stint on Team Canada where he played 4th line minutes accumulating zero points.

Murray isn't 1/3rd the GM that Yzerman is.

Saying ROR is over paid is all you really needed to say. Silly.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

I'm mostly indifferent to this. Can't yet judge how his hand picked coach & hand picked roster are going to turn out. Most of his tenure the focus was losing & injuries have seriously impacted winning expectations the rest of the time. Need to see how his drafts look outside of 2nd overall, need to see if his targeted players work out. Not like they can't fire him tomorrow anyway.

(thought Tim was in year 3 of a 5.5 year deal, 5 years plus his midseason hiring)

I will never believe that TM hand-picked Bylsma. That hire stunk as nothing more than a name grab. I think Pegula et al simply wanted a guy that had prior success, and that TM probably didn't have much to do with it. Whether TM agreed to some extent or disagreed but didn't push his opinion, idk.

Now I'm not a TM fanboy either. I hated the Myers/Kane trade from the start and took a ton of grief here for my opinion. I had no problem going after a top winger, but thought Kane was a bad choice. I was skeptical of the O'Reilly trade until he re-signed. While I think it was fair, the trade also wiped out the rest of the spare parts in the prospect pool (which he did not accumulate). TM seems to be building a heavy Kings type of roster while the trend to speed is winning out. Even if the Kings model can still work in the near future, it's not that fun to watch, at least in the way Disco has implemented it. TM's non-obvious draft picks have yet to prove his "draft expert" reputation.

Still, there is talent on the roster that SHOULD be able to play a better game and have better results...AND be more fun to watch. I've always been about substance over style, but after the last few years boring (and losing) hockey is not what I can justify taking up my time with anymore. Bylsma is in control if the on-ice product - not Murray. The on-paper product looks competitive (not great), the on-ice product does not. I will hope that maybe a low morale contributed to that @#$% show Thu night. Bylsma still holds responsibility for that to some extent, but at least the players themselves can correct that. They can't correct the @#$% system they're forced to play in.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Murray's record will end all debate. We can argue coach vs players, but it's all Murray. If the team loses, it's on Murray. Honeymoon is over. Time to win is now.