Tim Murray Signs Contract Extension

[Aladyyn]

Murray's record will end all debate. We can argue coach vs players, but it's all Murray. If the team loses, it's on Murray. Honeymoon is over. Time to win is now.

Murray will get a mulligan on the coach. It would be very unfair if he didn't and Pegula obviously bought into Tim's vision.

Also judging Murray's drafting is premature. His first draft was 2014

 

[Sabre Dance]

Murray will get a mulligan on the coach. It would be very unfair if he didn't and Pegula obviously bought into Tim's vision.

Also judging Murray's drafting is premature. His first draft was 2014

Murray won't be fired, but people still blush when they mention his name like they have a school girl crush on him. The guy has done nothing. Let some of his moves translate to wins instead of losses before we praise him.

 

[JOVIS*]

Murray won't be fired, but people still blush when they mention his name like they have a school girl crush on him. The guy has done nothing. Let some of his moves translate to wins instead of losses before we praise him.

I agree w most of.your posts. Seems like all the fanboys have an irrational love for Murray and many other aspects of this team. I enjoy listening to Murray speak and his blunt style. It's a billion times more likeable than listening to a mealy-mouthed company man like Darcy, who said NOTHING. That said, Murray hasn't done anything yet that has made them demonstrably more competitive. Obviously A monkey could have picked Reinhart and Eichel...& this year I'd have rather gone Defense. ...as ours is God awful. Tyler Myers and that cap friendly contract would sure be nice right about now.

I have no idea how many years a GM 'should' get, or how many injuries have to happen for him to be considered a victim. I just know the team looks and feels awful, and the light at the end of the tunnel seems dim

 

[joshjull]

This year goes a long way towards Murray being in the good or bad column for me.

 

[ZZamboni]

Sabre Dance .... are you honestly a fan of the team? Honest question.

Am I the only one who notices you and a couple other posters are 75% negative comments about the players, the owner, the GM, the coach. Look at your own comments. They are profoundly negative most of the time. It's sad.

Your facts are not at all based in reality when you say (and more than once I may add) Tim Murray has done nothing. Willingly ignorant or not following the team at all since he took over? Which is it? Others have pointed out ad nauseum what he's done. But you continue to type that he's done nothing.

Dead wrong.

 

[JOVIS*]

Sabre Dance .... are you honestly a fan of the team? Honest question.

Am I the only one who notices you and a couple other posters are 75% negative comments about the players, the owner, the GM, the coach. Look at your own comments. They are profoundly negative most of the time. It's sad.

Your facts are not at all based in reality when you say (and more than once I may add) Tim Murray has done nothing. Willingly ignorant or not following the team at all since he took over? Which is it? Others have pointed out ad nauseum what he's done. But you continue to type that he's done nothing.

Dead wrong.

Maybe he means he's done 'nothing GOOD'. What is his signature move, the Myers trade? Theyre laughing at that in Winnipeg and callng Chevy a patient genius. It's hard to be rah rah rah when the team has been among the worst in history and then the year we were supposed to win starts out disastrous. Imo both of his coaching hires have been terrible as well. See avatar. Zzz Zzz zzz

#1 pick for Lehner? Lawllls

ROR I like.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Sabre Dance .... are you honestly a fan of the team? Honest question.

Am I the only one who notices you and a couple other posters are 75% negative comments about the players, the owner, the GM, the coach. Look at your own comments. They are profoundly negative most of the time. It's sad.

Your facts are not at all based in reality when you say (and more than once I may add) Tim Murray has done nothing. Willingly ignorant or not following the team at all since he took over? Which is it? Others have pointed out ad nauseum what he's done. But you continue to type that he's done nothing.

Dead wrong.

I equate doing something to wins.

In terms of grading individual moves based on nothing but value, sure I have said positive things. In terms of building a team, well that really isn't up for debate. Its wins vs losses.

Am I angry? Yes. I want to see the team play well and win. The way they came out vs Montreal was very disappointing. It was one of the worst showings in a home season opening that I can remember. They came out flat.

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

So when the Sabres miss the playoffs for the SIXTH year in a row (Murray's 4th), I guess there won't be any hot seat discussions for Murray. How long does he get ? 6 seasons for the rebuild ? 7? I forgot though since he likes to make trades (where he gets owned in every one except O'Reily) , gives an awesome interview and is the "edgy" GM who thinks he's ****ing sweet because he says as few words as possible at the draft podium he's universally loved here in Buffalo where blue collar and lunch pail mentality trump results.

I'd say this is comparable to the Bills extending Fitzpatrick 3arly in the season a few years back but at least at the time the Bills were winning games. Murray gets rewarded for what?

 

[JOVIS*]

As far as the notion of "DESERVING" a new contract; that is absurd. The Myers trade should probably get him fired alone. Basically gave away the farm. It's great that Pegula has deep pockets and money to burn, but it hasn't really helped our teams yet. let us review...


JETS get:


Tyler Myers (#2 Dman right behind big Buff, super cap friendly deal)
Drew Stafford (roster player who jets fans have loved, 47 points in 75 games. skipped UFA to resign w WPG)
Joel Armia- Very good camp, signed 2 year deal in July... Made the roster this year.
Brendan Lemieux (almost goal per game player last year in OHL, now on AHL Moose... would have likely made team if not for pre camp leg injury)
1 st round pick #25 overall (Jack Roslovic - promising center who has already quit college & signed ELC and playing for AHL Moose... the organization and fans are perhaps the highest on of all)


So, 3 of the 5 players are roster players and all performing well and well reviewed by Winnipeg fans. Lemieux would very likely have made the team as well if not for pre camp injury. And many a Jets fan have told me they are HIGHEST on Jack Roslovic. They could have 5 roster players on their team next year from the great Buffalo robbery.

This was in the winnipeg press last year (granted its WPG and they are biased) asking who was the BEST players involved in the trade...interesting that they legit love Stafford too, yet think VERY poorly of BOGO...

Sabres Get:

Evander Kane - fast, highly skilled, gritty, but inconsistent player. Was only available due to locker room problems in Winnipeg, and has been unable to stay out of trouble here as well. Worse than silly social media pics featuring stacks of money, has been involved in multiple incidents involving alcohol and women... not good. Very low trade value.

Zach Bogosian - Big perpetually injured defenseman. Well liked by his teammates. Heretofore I think its safe to say has under performed based upon expectations. Poor analytics, if thats yer bag. Yes he's tough and fought Donald Breshear in his first game as an 18 year old. so what?

Jason Kasdorf - TBH I do not know much about him. I have heard Paul Hamilton say he doesn't think Kasdorf is projected to have much of a future with the big club. Someone who knows will hafta fill in the blanks on Kasdorf.

This was a poll on the main boards not long ago... 85% would rather have been WPG

All that to say, we got fleeced. PWNED. this trade is maybe one of the worst in the NHL in many many years. The only worse one I can think of recently is Tyler Seguin to Dallas. Ridiculous to think GMTM "earned" an extension. He has probably set us back many years with this deal alone.

 

[Aladyyn]

2 dime a dozen prospects and a pending UFA are such big pieces we are going to miss...

Lemieux also wasn't going to sign with us. He's also a dirty piece of trash.

 

[dotcommunism]

Are people really suggesting that a GM should be let go who's been here less than three years? To what end? So a new GM can be brought in who can do his own tear down and then get fired in another three years when the Sabres are inevitably a bad team again? Constantly cycling through front office personnel is a really easy way for bad teams to stay bad for a really long time.

 

[brian_griffin]

As far as the notion of "DESERVING" a new contract; that is absurd. The Myers trade should probably get him fired alone. Basically gave away the farm. It's great that Pegula has deep pockets and money to burn, but it hasn't really helped our teams yet. let us review...


JETS get:


Tyler Myers (#2 Dman right behind big Buff, super cap friendly deal)
Drew Stafford (roster player who jets fans have loved, 47 points in 75 games. skipped UFA to resign w WPG)
Joel Armia- Very good camp, signed 2 year deal in July... Made the roster this year.
Brendan Lemieux (almost goal per game player last year in OHL, now on AHL Moose... would have likely made team if not for pre camp leg injury)
1 st round pick #25 overall (Jack Roslovic - promising center who has already quit college & signed ELC and playing for AHL Moose... the organization and fans are perhaps the highest on of all)


So, 3 of the 5 players are roster players and all performing well and well reviewed by Winnipeg fans. Lemieux would very likely have made the team as well if not for pre camp injury. And many a Jets fan have told me they are HIGHEST on Jack Roslovic. They could have 5 roster players on their team next year from the great Buffalo robbery.

This was in the winnipeg press last year (granted its WPG and they are biased) asking who was the BEST players involved in the trade...interesting that they legit love Stafford too, yet think VERY poorly of BOGO...

Sabres Get:

Evander Kane - fast, highly skilled, gritty, but inconsistent player. Was only available due to locker room problems in Winnipeg, and has been unable to stay out of trouble here as well. Worse than silly social media pics featuring stacks of money, has been involved in multiple incidents involving alcohol and women... not good. Very low trade value.

Zach Bogosian - Big perpetually injured defenseman. Well liked by his teammates. Heretofore I think its safe to say has under performed based upon expectations. Poor analytics, if thats yer bag. Yes he's tough and fought Donald Breshear in his first game as an 18 year old. so what?

Jason Kasdorf - TBH I do not know much about him. I have heard Paul Hamilton say he doesn't think Kasdorf is projected to have much of a future with the big club. Someone who knows will hafta fill in the blanks on Kasdorf.

This was a poll on the main boards not long ago... 85% would rather have been WPG

All that to say, we got fleeced. PWNED. this trade is maybe one of the worst in the NHL in many many years. The only worse one I can think of recently is Tyler Seguin to Dallas. Ridiculous to think GMTM "earned" an extension. He has probably set us back many years with this deal alone.

Let us review...with facts...

Bogosian's contract is in reality a lower cap hit than Myers' deal. And Bogosian is signed for 1 more year than Myers, if that matters.

Drew Stafford was a pending UFA who needed to be traded to extract value to BUF. He was not re-signing in BUF. He was not welcome as part of the future in BUF. I'm sure Murray knew he'd resign in WPG . (Great that he worked out in WPG.)

Joe Armia has played a total of a half-season in the NHL to date, and done next to nothing.
Brendan Lemieux was not signing with BUF; that fact was overtly known.
Rd1#25 Jack Roslovic. Hope he does well.
Kane seems very fair present value for those 3 (or those 3 plus Stafford).

You ignore that failing to trade Stafford for the injured Kane likely means BUF wouldn't have drafted Eichel...

It's possible for an NHL trade to benefit both teams. In fact, that's usually the premise underlying such deals.

Regardless of whom you feel "won" the deal, or if in fact both teams "won", I sincerely doiubt it's the worst trade in the past few years, behind the Seguin-to-Dallas deal.

This is gonna be a long season...

 

[old kummelweck]

Are people really suggesting that a GM should be let go who's been here less than three years? To what end? So a new GM can be brought in who can do his own tear down and then get fired in another three years when the Sabres are inevitably a bad team again? Constantly cycling through front office personnel is a really easy way for bad teams to stay bad for a really long time.

So I'm still supportive of Murray, but a new GM doesn't mean blowing things up and rebuilding. Sometimes in the course of maturing an organization, you may need a guy like Murray to build up the foundation and talent, but it takes someone with a different perspective to make the necessary tweaks to build a contender. Chiarelli comes to mind. Not a guy you want managing you assets long term, but he can push an organization over the top.

 

[JOVIS*]

Let us review...with facts...

Bogosian's contract is in reality a lower cap hit than Myers' deal. And Bogosian is signed for 1 more year than Myers, if that matters.

Drew Stafford was a pending UFA who needed to be traded to extract value to BUF. He was not re-signing in BUF. He was not welcome as part of the future in BUF. I'm sure Murray knew he'd resign in WPG . (Great that he worked out in WPG.)

Joe Armia has played a total of a half-season in the NHL to date, and done next to nothing.
Brendan Lemieux was not signing with BUF; that fact was overtly known.
Rd1#25 Jack Roslovic. Hope he does well.
Kane seems very fair present value for those 3 (or those 3 plus Stafford).

You ignore that failing to trade Stafford for the injured Kane likely means BUF wouldn't have drafted Eichel...

It's possible for an NHL trade to benefit both teams. In fact, that's usually the premise underlying such deals.

Regardless of whom you feel "won" the deal, or if in fact both teams "won", I sincerely doiubt it's the worst trade in the past few years, behind the Seguin-to-Dallas deal.

This is gonna be a long season...

Rainbows and butterfly's and revisionist history. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. That was an epically bad trade. In order to move forward as an organization and fan base ('this is going to be a long season') we need to be honest about the shortcomings of our organization. We're on to Edmonton. Can't wait!

 

[Beerz]

Really?

He got a higher signing bonus than Patrick Kane. He's quite overpaid for the production he brings, let alone the fact that he's a perrenial minus player.

What does a signing bonus have to do with anything?

 

[Beerz]

As far as the notion of "DESERVING" a new contract; that is absurd. The Myers trade should probably get him fired alone. Basically gave away the farm. It's great that Pegula has deep pockets and money to burn, but it hasn't really helped our teams yet. let us review...


JETS get:


Tyler Myers (#2 Dman right behind big Buff, super cap friendly deal)
Drew Stafford (roster player who jets fans have loved, 47 points in 75 games. skipped UFA to resign w WPG)
Joel Armia- Very good camp, signed 2 year deal in July... Made the roster this year.
Brendan Lemieux (almost goal per game player last year in OHL, now on AHL Moose... would have likely made team if not for pre camp leg injury)
1 st round pick #25 overall (Jack Roslovic - promising center who has already quit college & signed ELC and playing for AHL Moose... the organization and fans are perhaps the highest on of all)


So, 3 of the 5 players are roster players and all performing well and well reviewed by Winnipeg fans. Lemieux would very likely have made the team as well if not for pre camp injury. And many a Jets fan have told me they are HIGHEST on Jack Roslovic. They could have 5 roster players on their team next year from the great Buffalo robbery.

This was in the winnipeg press last year (granted its WPG and they are biased) asking who was the BEST players involved in the trade...interesting that they legit love Stafford too, yet think VERY poorly of BOGO...

Sabres Get:

Evander Kane - fast, highly skilled, gritty, but inconsistent player. Was only available due to locker room problems in Winnipeg, and has been unable to stay out of trouble here as well. Worse than silly social media pics featuring stacks of money, has been involved in multiple incidents involving alcohol and women... not good. Very low trade value.

Zach Bogosian - Big perpetually injured defenseman. Well liked by his teammates. Heretofore I think its safe to say has under performed based upon expectations. Poor analytics, if thats yer bag. Yes he's tough and fought Donald Breshear in his first game as an 18 year old. so what?

Jason Kasdorf - TBH I do not know much about him. I have heard Paul Hamilton say he doesn't think Kasdorf is projected to have much of a future with the big club. Someone who knows will hafta fill in the blanks on Kasdorf.

This was a poll on the main boards not long ago... 85% would rather have been WPG

All that to say, we got fleeced. PWNED. this trade is maybe one of the worst in the NHL in many many years. The only worse one I can think of recently is Tyler Seguin to Dallas. Ridiculous to think GMTM "earned" an extension. He has probably set us back many years with this deal alone.

And Trump wins all of the "online Polls" ...

This is just silly.

 

[tsujimoto74]

cut to save space

Armia is a fringe NHLer. Myers hasn't been any better in Winnipeg than he was here; playing with Enstrom is nice for his fancy stats, but it doesn't make him any better as an individual. Lemieux isn't anything yet, and I doubt he's ever more than a solid, pesky 3rd liner who can bang home 15 goals. Stafford still stinks. idk if you noticed but Winnipeg fans stopped talking about him around November last year. Know why? Because he disappeared like he always does. He just got his hot streak out of the way early that season. Plus, he was a UFA who was walking anyway when we traded him. Had we traded him independently, he was probably only worth a 3rd.

You're acting like we gave up sooooo much value and got nothing back. At the end of the day, nobody got anything really important in that trade. It's a blockbuster nothingburger.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Armia is a fringe NHLer.

Wrong. He's actually been playing really well all preseason and he's becoming a big part of their PK. Just keep lying to yourself though. They're bringing him along slowly, with low minutes still, but he's showing well from what I've seen.

Here's Armia kicking ass on the PK in their season opener:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0MZ4w1aJeiw

 

[rtfirefly]

Armia is a fringe NHLer. Myers hasn't been any better in Winnipeg than he was here; playing with Enstrom is nice for his fancy stats, but it doesn't make him any better as an individual. Lemieux isn't anything yet, and I doubt he's ever more than a solid, pesky 3rd liner who can bang home 15 goals. Stafford still stinks. idk if you noticed but Winnipeg fans stopped talking about him around November last year. Know why? Because he disappeared like he always does. He just got his hot streak out of the way early that season. Plus, he was a UFA who was walking anyway when we traded him. Had we traded him independently, he was probably only worth a 3rd.

Maybe so. But the same package of assets that GMTM gave up might very well have brought back a more useful player. It's not unrealistic to regard the trade as reckless. The red flags were all there. Kane was a player his team wanted desperately to get rid of. So far, that desire seems justified. Murray should have considered the degree to which the potential risks outweighed the possible rewards. Kane's escapades here—nothing if not predictable—had, even before the injury, already reduced his trade value to near zero. It will be very very hard for him to rebuild that equity.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

Some NFL writer or ESPN personality called the Pegulas the Beverly Hillbillies and this contract extension when it wasn't necessary at all is more evidence of how clueless they are.

Tim Murray hasn't proven himself worthy yet - a monkey could have drafted Jack Eichel and Sam Reinhart and I don't think there are many who would take Reinhart over Draisaitl as of right now. The Winnipeg deal looks bad now considering Kane's off ice shenanigans while neither he nor Bogosian have distinguished themselves on the ice much. The ROR trade was a solid trade but we paid full price for him both in the return we sent the Avs and in the money we paid O'Reilly.

He's had 3 drafts and there's nobody looking at his picks as anything special. He chose Alex Nylander over 2 great skating large 18 year old dmen both of whom impressed enough during pre-season that as of now they are on NHL rosters.

So tell me why Tim Murray deserved a contract extension if you support the Pegulas' decision.

 

[Ace]

You have to be kidding me.

His first draft pick hasn't even played 90 games yet and people don't want him extended going into the last year of his deal? For real? It's never good to have a GM without term left. That's stupid.

Do people willfully ignore we finished last on purpose his first full season? And there's only been one other season. What the hell man...go outside, take a walk, take a deep breath, let the logic in

Lol none of his picks look special. I love it. LOVE IT.

deciding Nylander is a mistake after 1 pro game. YOU ARE INCREDIBLE.

 

[Aladyyn]

Wrong. He's actually been playing really well all preseason and he's becoming a big part of their PK. Just keep lying to yourself though. They're bringing him along slowly, with low minutes still, but he's showing well from what I've seen.

Here's Armia kicking ass on the PK in their season opener:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0MZ4w1aJeiw

Healthy scratch today

 

[Ace]

Yeah well that's just like your opinion man

 

[Aladyyn]

Armia is a dime a dozen prospect. He progressed from a bust to maybe a fringe NHLer since the trade.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

Tim Murray's rebuild here will be judged, if you're interested in fair comparisons, by the Toronto Maple Leafs' rebuild. It's not all about Mathews vs Eichel - there's a 22-23 man roster to look at, coaching staffs, the AHL teams and draft picks/prospects. Murray had a full year head start on Toronto.

Murray was given a dream opportunity, full power to tear down and rebuild an NHL organization with little pressure from owners, media or fans.

It sure isn't his fault that Eichel's injured but there should be enough on this roster for a coaching staff to stay in the mix while Eichel is out.