Tim Murray Signs Contract Extension

[AustonsNostrils]

Armia is a dime a dozen prospect. He progressed from a bust to maybe a fringe NHLer since the trade.

I'd take either of Roslovic or Lemieux over Armia right now. It's unknown what either of them will become but Armia isn't going to be much.

 

[Aladyyn]

Tim Murray's rebuild here will be judged, if you're interested in fair comparisons, by the Toronto Maple Leafs' rebuild. It's not all about Mathews vs Eichel - there's a 22-23 man roster to look at, coaching staffs, the AHL teams and draft picks/prospects. Murray had a full year head start on Toronto.

Murray was given a dream opportunity, full power to tear down and rebuild an NHL organization with little pressure from owners, media or fans.

It sure isn't his fault that Eichel's injured but there should be enough on this roster for a coaching staff to stay in the mix while Eichel is out.

There is, if they were used properly. Murray gets AT LEAST one mulligan on the coach. That means he's probably guaranteed AT THE VERY LEAST one more season after this one. Therefore an extension is the obvious thing to do, no matter what.

 

[Ace]

In this thread some people are mad that we didn't try to suck longer...and others are mad that we're not already good.

Much of this was based on one game where Eichel, Okposo and Kulikov didn't play, RoR played hurt and Kane was injured.

So to recap...the only place we aren't allowed to be...is improving...which we decided we haven't...because of one game...that many good players missed.

...

Bylsma is terrible though.

Did everyone enjoy the chip and chase show on Thursday?

 

[AustonsNostrils]

In this thread some people are mad that we didn't try to suck longer...and others are mad that we're not already good.

Much of this was based on one game where Eichel, Okposo and Kulikov didn't play, RoR played hurt and Kane was injured.

So to recap...the only place we aren't allowed to be...is improving...which we decided we haven't...because of one game...that many good players missed.

...

Bylsma is terrible though.

Did everyone enjoy the chip and chase show on Thursday?

Murray has his extension now, Bylsma won't last long if the Sabres struggle. He's not the type to use injuries as an excuse, he said as much on WGR on Thursday.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Some NFL writer or ESPN personality called the Pegulas the Beverly Hillbillies and this contract extension when it wasn't necessary at all is more evidence of how clueless they are.

Tim Murray hasn't proven himself worthy yet - a monkey could have drafted Jack Eichel and Sam Reinhart and I don't think there are many who would take Reinhart over Draisaitl as of right now. The Winnipeg deal looks bad now considering Kane's off ice shenanigans while neither he nor Bogosian have distinguished themselves on the ice much. The ROR trade was a solid trade but we paid full price for him both in the return we sent the Avs and in the money we paid O'Reilly.

He's had 3 drafts and there's nobody looking at his picks as anything special. He chose Alex Nylander over 2 great skating large 18 year old dmen both of whom impressed enough during pre-season that as of now they are on NHL rosters.

So tell me why Tim Murray deserved a contract extension if you support the Pegulas' decision.

So are guys like Mitch Marner and Jonathan Drouin doomed to be bad forever since they weren't the first kids in their draft class to play NHL games? Or do you maybe feel like backtracking on that one a bit?

Different players take different amounts of time to be NHL ready. Alex Nylander has a dynamic offensive skillset that this team is sorely lacking outside of Eichel. Chill.

For the record, I absolutely still take Reinhart over Draisaitl. Reinhart's hockey IQ is nuts.

 

[SabresFan26]

Murray had to be and should have been extended. His contract ends this year and they resigned him going forward. It could be 2-3 years for all we know and now is the time he will really be evaluated.

Overall he has done a solid job. He was drafted well, and won on more trades than not.

I didn't love the WPG trade but mainly because Kane is not a guy I like to root for or be around our youth in the locker room. That trade wasn't a major loss for us.

Other than that, most trades he has made have really helped the Sabres IMO.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

So are guys like Mitch Marner and Jonathan Drouin doomed to be bad forever since they weren't the first kids in their draft class to play NHL games? Or do you maybe feel like backtracking on that one a bit?

Different players take different amounts of time to be NHL ready. Alex Nylander has a dynamic offensive skillset that this team is sorely lacking outside of Eichel. Chill.

For the record, I absolutely still take Reinhart over Draisaitl. Reinhart's hockey IQ is nuts.

backtracking on what? when the Sabres were in peril of losing the tank to Arizona I consoled myself with the thought that we'd get Marner.

nobody's a future teller but I'm not going to be one of those clowns who says about any current event 'well we must wait to have an opinion, 10 years down the road we'll be able to assess'.

And I didn't trash or write off Reinhart, preferring Draisaitl doesn't mean I think Reinhart isn't going to be a very good player.

 

[EichHart]

Murray was scared of what happened to Edmontons rebuild would happen to ours. So he rushed it instead of being patient.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

Murray had to be and should have been extended. His contract ends this year and they resigned him going forward. It could be 2-3 years for all we know and now is the time he will really be evaluated.

Overall he has done a solid job. He was drafted well, and won on more trades than not.

What makes you say that? Because I have no idea if he's drafted well or not. I can tell you that our last few development camps in July and prospects games in September have not been all that impressive. None of his picks stood out in pre-season games either.

And there's a name to remember and that's Brock Boeser, he's destroying the NCAA right now. He was my choice for our pick at #21 overall but TM traded that pick to Ottawa for Lehner.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Murray was scared of what happened to Edmontons rebuild would happen to ours. So he rushed it instead of being patient.

I don't think it's all him. Pegula is there too. But he honestly likes getting former top picks -- he's said that.

I feel like Murray will prove himself when we get some breakthrough NHLers with 2nd and 3rd round picks and loose parts pickups (a guy like Derek Grant coming through.)

I mean anybody can draft Eichel or Reinhart or Nylander. We need to produce a bonafide gem like O'Reilly on our own from the 2nd or 3rd round. He started drafting in 2014 so on that front, it's early but I don't see any huge surprise NHLers that are top six forwards or two top d-man.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

Murray was scared of what happened to Edmontons rebuild would happen to ours. So he rushed it instead of being patient.

This is true and I supported his aggressive style which resulted in the multi player trades with Winnipeg and Colorado. I was fine with going the slower route and keeping Zadorov, Compher, Lemieux, Armia, #25th OA in 15. But when he made the trades I got excited and supported the moves.

The Lehner trade - I went ballistic when I heard that one.

 

[joshjull]

I don't think it's all him. Pegula is there too. But he honestly likes getting former top picks -- he's said that.

I feel like Murray will prove himself when we get some breakthrough NHLers with 2nd and 3rd round picks and loose parts pickups (a guy like Derek Grant coming through.)

I mean anybody can draft Eichel or Reinhart or Nylander. We need to produce a bonafide gem like O'Reilly on our own from the 2nd or 3rd round. He started drafting in 2014 so on that front, it's early but I don't see any huge surprise NHLers that are top six forwards or two top d-man.

I'll give you Eichel but there is hardly a consenus on the other two. Many have clamored for others in those spots.

 

[joshjull]

Some NFL writer or ESPN personality called the Pegulas the Beverly Hillbillies and this contract extension when it wasn't necessary at all is more evidence of how clueless they are.

Tim Murray hasn't proven himself worthy yet - a monkey could have drafted Jack Eichel and Sam Reinhart and I don't think there are many who would take Reinhart over Draisaitl as of right now. The Winnipeg deal looks bad now considering Kane's off ice shenanigans while neither he nor Bogosian have distinguished themselves on the ice much. The ROR trade was a solid trade but we paid full price for him both in the return we sent the Avs and in the money we paid O'Reilly.

He's had 3 drafts and there's nobody looking at his picks as anything special. He chose Alex Nylander over 2 great skating large 18 year old dmen both of whom impressed enough during pre-season that as of now they are on NHL rosters.

So tell me why Tim Murray deserved a contract extension if you support the Pegulas' decision.

I would take Reinhart over him all day every day. Except I'm doing it with the expectation he would be playing center.

 

[Ace]

There are people flipping out about Nylander in this very thread.

Another player, btw, who was a major piece to what Murray is building that was not in the lineup because everyone wants everything as soon as possible.

But also wish we'd stayed bad longer.

But are mad that we're bad.

Because of one game that a lot of people couldn't play in or be healthy during.

If we don't win the cup or finish last I don't know why they extended Murray. That I know.

 

[EichHart]

This is true and I supported his aggressive style which resulted in the multi player trades with Winnipeg and Colorado. I was fine with going the slower route and keeping Zadorov, Compher, Lemieux, Armia, #25th OA in 15. But when he made the trades I got excited and supported the moves.

The Lehner trade - I went ballistic when I heard that one.

Who would you rather have right now?

Grigorenko/Zadarov/Compher/31st(Jeremy Roy) Sharks Top D prospect
Myers, Stafford, Armia, Lemieux, Roslovic (Top 40 prospect)
21st Overall- Brock Boeser/Travis Konecny

OR

ROR/Kane/Bogo/Lehner

To me it's a pretty easy decision.

Then we have Moulsons contract. Only good move is the Risto signing, the top draft picks were no brainers.

 

[DJN21]

You have to be kidding me.

His first draft pick hasn't even played 90 games yet and people don't want him extended going into the last year of his deal? For real? It's never good to have a GM without term left. That's stupid.

Do people willfully ignore we finished last on purpose his first full season? And there's only been one other season. What the hell man...go outside, take a walk, take a deep breath, let the logic in

Lol none of his picks look special. I love it. LOVE IT.

deciding Nylander is a mistake after 1 pro game. YOU ARE INCREDIBLE.

I'm equally as unimpressed by his drafts especially considering scouting was supposed to be his bread and butter. Though I still put myself in tmgm's corner

 

[Ace]

I'm equally as unimpressed by his drafts especially considering scouting was supposed to be his bread and butter. Though I still put myself in tmgm's corner

What picks are you upset with?

What are people expecting in these drafts? Immediate third round help? We are making decisions on guys before the even get near finishing development.

 

[JOVIS*]

What picks are you upset with?

What are people expecting in these drafts? Immediate third round help? We are making decisions on guys before the even get near finishing development.

We have far greater Defensive need than winger need. Sergachev would have been great in the Blue and gold, much much greater than Josh gorges for instance...and much cheaper too. he's good enough to play on montreal but not our team apparently. plus there is probably his anti-Russian bias (kulikov not withstanding)

 

[Ace]

I mean good for Sergachev and Chychrun being in the league. Join the ranks of the great Grigorenko who is clearly a better player than guys who didn't make the league immediately like Filip Forsberg. What a bum...developing correctly and patiently.

 

[SabresFan26]

What makes you say that? Because I have no idea if he's drafted well or not. I can tell you that our last few development camps in July and prospects games in September have not been all that impressive. None of his picks stood out in pre-season games either.

And there's a name to remember and that's Brock Boeser, he's destroying the NCAA right now. He was my choice for our pick at #21 overall but TM traded that pick to Ottawa for Lehner.

We'll see how that trade plays out but Lehner can be a #1.

It is a little premature to fully say he has drafted well but

Eichel, Reinhart, Nylander are all top picks so hard to evaluate but non first rounders:

2016
Asplund
Pu
Fitzgerald
Glotov

2015
Guhle
Borgen
Estephan

I would say his first draft in 2014 is the least impressive.

In summary, I was not a fan of Ottawa's team while he was there but I think he came in and has overall done a pretty good job in the interim but now is the time to evaluate him. I think we need to start steadily improving within the next two years or he will need to be replaced.

 

[DJN21]

We'll see how that trade plays out but Lehner can be a #1.

It is a little premature to fully say he has drafted well but

Eichel, Reinhart, Nylander are all top picks so hard to evaluate but non first rounders:

2016
Asplund
Pu
Fitzgerald
Glotov

2015
Guhle
Borgen
Estephan

I would say his first draft in 2014 is the least impressive.

In summary, I was not a fan of Ottawa's team while he was there but I think he came in and has overall done a pretty good job in the interim but now is the time to evaluate him. I think we need to start steadily improving within the next two years or he will need to be replaced.

I'd bet on asplund and Guhle being the only players there to crack 200 nhl games...even those may not be meaningful...

 

[joshjull]

I'd bet on asplund and Guhle being the only players there to crack 200 nhl games...even those may not be meaningful...

Of course

 

[DJN21]

What picks are you upset with?

What are people expecting in these drafts? Immediate third round help? We are making decisions on guys before the even get near finishing development.

He had the world at his finger tips. Reiger set him up with every draft pick imaginable and he traded what 65% away... it leaves a lot to the imagination. The only solice I have is orielly right now

 

[SabresFan26]

I'd bet on asplund and Guhle being the only players there to crack 200 nhl games...even those may not be meaningful...

Having 2 2nd round picks back to back play 200 games would be better than the league average.

 

[Gabrielor]

Everything that could go wrong in game 1, did.

-Pre-game injury to franchise player
-Mid-game injury to top-6 player
-top 6 player / top 4 dman acquisitions out
-#1 center playing hurt
-defense that everyone hated from last year, back, with no differences in personell
-a transition game that's still bad 83 games into the current coach
-few high-percentage chances on 31 total shots
-long periods of being hemmed in our own zone
-goaltending giving up 1-2 bad ones
-little pushback from the team
-a certain top-6 winger who people hate for not controlling the puck...couldn't control the puck
-1 goal scored

That's a hefty cocktail to take in just 1 game. No wonder there's so much debate...