The "Team" Is Broken

[Arzak]

Team dinner?

That's like a steam engine for these kids.

They might understand titok/instagram/chatgroup #all Team included! This decade's alternative to a formal dinner.

 

[The Podium]

Dubas' idea of bringing in leadership was Marleau and Thornton...two guys who never won a thing and have the most 'don't give a shit' attitudes in the league.

Marleau had the C stripped ffs lol

Lou brought in Marleau

 

[Gabriel426]

What did he do?

Teach them how to let others do all the rough work and just follow, no need to go all out and risk injuries and hurt the Ironman streak

 

[ACC1224]

Teach them how to let others do all the rough work and just follow, no need to go all out and risk injuries and hurt the Ironman streak

That’s certainly a theory

 

[myleafs]

Teach them how to let others do all the rough work and just follow, no need to go all out and risk injuries and hurt the Ironman streak

I remember early on with Marleau, Kadri had been dumped in front of the net and got up to go at the player who dumped him and Marleau skated up and said "come on guys take it easy" That sums up what he brought to the leafs. When Foligno showed up and it may have even been his first game and he wanted to go after someone and stick up for a teammate and Keefe reeled him in and told him not to...Folignos expression said it all...like wtf? Hopefully with Dubas gone and the things that Treliving has said about how he likes his teams to play will end that all star game mentality.

 

[Hellcat]

If HF actually took it serious I'd gladly throw a few bucks their way. But 99% guaranteed they won't, so it doesn't make any sense to.

So do it and see what happens, money talks.

 

[Anthrax442]

He made them eat dinner, but did he change the radio station?

 

[Captain Crunch]

Hockey has changed a lot over past few years .. hockey is not religion for most of these kids today .. guys don't go through walls for da coach anymore .. no one taps you on da shoulder .. guys are more concerned about getting their contracts before they exit hockey .. before we played to make da show and that was what it was all about .. ya died trying while most never made it .. it is cultural and societal too as things have gotten much softer and more legal as time passes on .. there are not as many nasty pricks who play anymore .. skill rules da day .. hooking interference and smash into glass heads up does not cut it anymore .. it is just a different game

Skill rules the regular season, then the playoffs happen and that other stuff rules. Probably the thing I hate the 2nd most (the first is Bettman) about the NHL!

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

A forced team dinner isn't the solution, the absence of the naturally occurring team dinner is a symptom of something else.

If other teams players are mentioning our locker room as being quiet...how bad must it be to have Marchesault and Reaves mentioning it? My friends son ran into Pat Maroon last summer and they talked about the Leafs and Maroon kept telling him we don't have a team and that they will never win a cup with this group of guys. Seems like he was more accurate than our roving reporters that ask softball questions about whether or not Kerfoot is the DJ or just a super nice guy.

I mentioned about that bc in the All or Nothing series, Foligno was introduced to the team during breakfast or lunch. That’s why it is odd that they don’t have dinner together.


Well, wouldn’t it make ROR’s comment more valid, since he has been on many teams and seen different team cultures and saw something in the Leafs dressing room that he hadn’t seen.

When a noted mercenary doesn't want the same money to play for your team that is within spitting distance of his relatives...that might be saying something about your teams makeup.

 

[Canadian Finn]

we don't have a team.
we have a bunch of individuals.

 

[al secord]

we don't have a team.
we have a bunch of individuals.

Every team has a bunch of individuals.

 

[Canadian Finn]

not if you understand the concept of a team.

but I've read your posts...so....

 

[Rob Brown]

Constructive feedback does not mean you should stop talking, it's just constructive feedback that hopefully makes you take pause and think about your POV.

I love the Leafs and they are probably my #1 team to hate, 57 years of embarrassing shenanigans and a soap opera like environment will make even the kindest heart a lot jaded. This team is a circus at the best of times.

Same as me giving constructive feedback that I think it's bizarre for a Leafs hater to be spending his or her free time posting on a Leafs board.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Didn't say it was a wise choice but it was done to bring leadership to the team. Marleau and Joe are very well respected in the hockey community. I think you're equating a chill personality with a don't give a shit personality.

Not sure chill dudes are meant to survive in the playoffs, unless you're talking about Phil the Thrill

 

[keonsbitterness]

Every team has a bunch of individuals.

That's why you always need a glue guy to make it a team.

 

[justashadowof]

Exhibit B: The quality of free agents Treliving was able to attract this summer. Word is out that this isn't a highly desirable destination any longer. While it's wonderful that BT recognized that none of Klingberg, Domi nor Bertuzzi are the type of player you lock in over the long term, it's troubling that these were the type of players BT had to resort to this summer. Upon sober reflection, that trio are simply the best of the free agency leftovers from a weak free agency year. They are the ones worth taking a one year flyer on.

 

[Hellcat]

Not sure chill dudes are meant to survive in the playoffs, unless you're talking about Phil the Thrill

Takes a village to win in the playoffs, lots of Selke winners who won the cup/ got to the cup final.

Same as me giving constructive feedback that I think it's bizarre for a Leafs hater to be spending his or her free time posting on a Leafs board.

You get that you can love and hate something at the same time right?

 

[Hellcat]

When a noted mercenary doesn't want the same money to play for your team that is within spitting distance of his relatives...that might be saying something about your teams makeup.

It could also say that he does not want to deal with 50 microphones stuck in his face after a practice, having to answer inane questions from reporters half of who probably never had a hockey stick in their hands in their life, maybe does not want to deal with getting mobbed at the grocery story every time you go out for a bag of milk or maybe he does not want to deal with the drama of being a Leaf. Maybe his relatives are assholes, 80% of my relatives are a more tame version of the Trailor Park Boys, they would be the last reason why I make any decision where to live, TBH if you choose to be a Leaf you must have masochist tendencies.

 

[ACC1224]

That's why you always need a glue guy to make it a team.

I think many nights Holl mistook that for smelling salts pre-game.

 

[TakeTheBody]

That's why you always need a glue guy to make it a team.

Agree. I think the last glue guy the Leafs had was Naz. He struck me as getting along with all the cliques in the lockerroom. He could take shit and hand it out.
But the problem was Naz was going psycho in the playoffs. I understand moving him. The return wasn't good though.

 

[AvroArrow]

And what was their source?

Remind me why you feel the need to post here when you're one of the more consistent Leaf trolls on HF?

Because no one on this site does anything to stop him. I pressed "like" on another teams board on a comment once, never again. But this dudes been showing up to our boards for like the past 5 years, especially after a big loss.


As for the topic, that is a pretty big concern. I mean shit I played sports in high school and we made it mandatory for the team to have lunch/dinner together after a game or practice. Not even because of a rule, just because we were all like brothers and genuinely wanted to be in each others company more, communicate about how we can improve and just hang out and talk like guys do with their friends. For a professional sports team to not do that, is pretty alarming.

These guys just all want to be to themselves, not properly interact with one another, something is very seriously wrong. It makes sense why no one got fired up after Knies was taken down by Bennett in the playoffs. If that happened to one of their brothers, nobody would just stand and watch. But they're not brothers, they're just guys they play with.

Another reason on the list as to why the core needs a shakeup. It's not always a bad thing, look at what Buffalo got for Eichel/ROR. Not like we're trading one of the core guys for a scrub, get a quality piece back.

 

[MCR74]

Because no one on this site does anything to stop him. I pressed "like" on another teams board on a comment once, never again. But this dudes been showing up to our boards for like the past 5 years, especially after a big loss.v


As for the topic, that is a pretty big concern. I mean shit I played sports in high school and we made it mandatory for the team to have lunch/dinner together after a game or practice. Not even because of a rule, just because we were all like brothers and genuinely wanted to be in each others company more, communicate about how we can improve and just hang out and talk like guys do with their friends. For a professional sports team to not do that, is pretty alarming.

These guys just all want to be to themselves, not properly interact with one another, something is very seriously wrong. It makes sense why no one got fired up after Knies was taken down by Bennett in the playoffs. If that happened to one of their brothers, nobody would just stand and watch. But they're not brothers, they're just guys they play with.

Another reason on the list as to why the core needs a shakeup. It's not always a bad thing, look at what Buffalo got for Eichel/ROR. Not like we're trading one of the core guys for a scrub, get a quality piece back.

Exactly. If we were to go to the Sens board and have a laugh at their misfortunes (and there's plenty of material to go around). I'd bet an infraction would follow soon after.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Guys like Domi and Bertuzzi don't give a r*ats *ss about Mitch and Matty .. funny how people think they are bringing toughness to core .. more likely Max grabs Mitch by throat and scares him a bit just for sh*ts and giggles LOL .,, just his personality .. Reaves is more of a glue guy and he knows what his job is .. you will see him on many a shift with matty I'm sure .. like I said it is always wise to have toughest guy sitting on your bench .. there is no BS .. anyone talks to Matty next season and they know Reaves will chase them off ice asap .. it stops da rift raft like Tkachuk

 

[Sypher04]

Exhibit B: The quality of free agents Treliving was able to attract this summer. Word is out that this isn't a highly desirable destination any longer. While it's wonderful that BT recognized that none of Klingberg, Domi nor Bertuzzi are the type of player you lock in over the long term, it's troubling that these were the type of players BT had to resort to this summer. Upon sober reflection, that trio are simply the best of the free agency leftovers from a weak free agency year. They are the ones worth taking a one year flyer on.

I believe you mean “upon review of how I can possibly attempt to spin 2 desireable freeagents signing here as somehow supportive of my overtly negative agenda”

Bertuzzi and Domi choosing to bet on themselves for 1 year is in no way indicative that they were not highly sought after nor is it that multi year offers were not available to them.

And in fact, directly contrary to your assertion, them choosing to play here for 1 year to re-enter a stronger market next offseason, when most teams could make 1 year work, indicates rather clearly that they chose our team over others

 

[justashadowof]

I believe you mean “upon review of how I can possibly attempt to spin 2 desireable freeagents signing here as somehow supportive of my overtly negative agenda”

Bertuzzi and Domi choosing to bet on themselves for 1 year is in no way indicative that they were not highly sought after nor is it that multi year offers were not available to them.

And in fact, directly contrary to your assertion, them choosing to play here for 1 year to re-enter a stronger market next offseason, when most teams could make 1 year work, indicates rather clearly that they chose our team over others

Bertuzzi and Domi (and Klingberg) were UFAs with identifiable issues. If want to deny that observation, go ahead. Frankly I don't get why you'd care other than you find my musings convincing. Consider me flattered.