Speculation: The Athletic-“So, it’s easy to imagine a scenario in which the Ducks move on from Zegras..."

[FiveTacos]

Also, FWIW, there are some Canes fans that aren't excited by Zegras; because of his defensive problems for example.

Which is ridiculous, as most young players aren't great defensively, but few possess that level of skill or offensive potential. McTavish is probably worse defensively than Zegras and hasn't shown as much play driving ability yet, but no one suggests the Ducks should trade him or that the return would be minimal because of it.

Some folks just have a bug up their ass about Zegras.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Which is ridiculous, as most young players aren't great defensively, but few possess that level of skill or offensive potential. McTavish is probably worse defensively than Zegras and hasn't shown as much play driving ability yet, but no one suggests the Ducks should trade him or that the return would be minimal because of it.

Some folks just have a bug up their ass about Zegras.

Mctavish wont get the hate zegras gets, because mctavish is more in line with the traditional NHL player.


Zegras has too much personality for the average nhl fan.

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

Basically what is happening.

 

[CellyHard]

Bruins won't move Swayman for Zegras

I cant see them being huge players for him in the offseason if he was to be available. I think at most you could see them move on from Ullmark for a 1st and include Lysell as a starting point but fully expect that offer to be beat or declined by Anaheim

They just simply don't have enough assets

 

[Rooch]

Zegras is still living off his Michigan play

He is a 20 goal scorer and 60 point player. Can he get better? Sure, but he is overrated.

I'm no Zegras apologist, but the "overrated" label is BS. If he's so far below expectations, why are there 16 pages of trade proposals for him?

 

[belair]

Which is ridiculous, as most young players aren't great defensively, but few possess that level of skill or offensive potential. McTavish is probably worse defensively than Zegras and hasn't shown as much play driving ability yet, but no one suggests the Ducks should trade him or that the return would be minimal because of it.

Some folks just have a bug up their ass about Zegras.

Other than being one of the first pro players to master a hot dog move that has essentially jumped the shark at this point, what differentiates Zegras from any other middle of the line up scoring forward at this point?

Zegras is making close to what he should be making based on the production you've seen from him so far. Knowing the limitations in his game, where are you putting him where you're going to see him meet anything near what your expectations of him offensively?

The problem with a guy like Zegras is what he costs you moving forward. He sees the Fiala contract or the PLD contract next door and that's close to where he's at in terms of expected salary on his next deal. That's not a good cap number for that player.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Mctavish wont get the hate zegras gets, because mctavish is more in line with the traditional NHL player.


Zegras has too much personality for the average nhl fan.

MacT won't get the Zegras level hate because all of Canada still loves him for his Vezina level performance in the WJC. OTOH, Canadians have never like Z since his WJC comments. The Z hate runs deep.

 

[wintersej]

Mctavish wont get the hate zegras gets, because mctavish is more in line with the traditional NHL player.


Zegras has too much personality for the average nhl fan.

I can both say I like and respect you as a poster and say this is a bad take.

There are a lot of guys that are *similar* to Zegras profile in recent league history. Obviously, there are no *perfect* comparisons. But there are a lot of guys who came into the league with solid offensive games and questions about their all around game and how their skill game would translate to play in the spring and summer. Duchene, Barzal and Seguin had similar questions about their game, but were a class above Zegras production wise. Galchenyuk had a very similar start with similar questions. Someone like Max Domi was a class below, but not that far away. Eberle had a similar statistical profile, but was a winger only instead of someone it wasn't clear about, yet, like the other guys.

A few years down the road those guys had a WIDE range of values as they did or did not figure out the rest of their game. Ducks fans saying that he had a few dozen games at WING playing responsibly in the easiest part of the NHL schedule doesn't magically change that. It's SCARY to give up a big package for a guy who could end up as Jordan Eberle. Just like its SCARY for the Ducks to give up a lessor package and see Zegras develop into a low end #1C.

That all has nothing to do with Michigan goals.

 

[Habs10025]

To Montreal
T. Zegras

To Anaheim
1st rd pick 2025 -( Calgary's pick )
J.Barron

 

[Gliff]

Bruins won't move Swayman for Zegras

I cant see them being huge players for him in the offseason if he was to be available. I think at most you could see them move on from Ullmark for a 1st and include Lysell as a starting point but fully expect that offer to be beat or declined by Anaheim

They just simply don't have enough assets

Good because the Ducks dont need a goalie, and if they did they wouldnt be trading a 22 year old top 6 forward for one lol.

To Montreal
T. Zegras

To Anaheim
1st rd pick 2025 -( Calgary's pick )
J.Barron

To Montreal
Ducks 2025 1st (top 10 protected)
Lacombe

To Anaheim
Caufield

 

[Habs10025]

Good because the Ducks dont need a goalie, and if they did they wouldnt be trading a 22 year old top 6 forward for one lol.


To Montreal
Ducks 2025 1st (top 10 protected)
Lacombe

To Anaheim
Caufield

Montreal would only make the trade offer so they could tell the fans they made an offer doubtful their interested in Zegras Anaheim should keep him or trade him elsewhere

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I can both say I like and respect you as a poster and say this is a bad take

There are a lot of guys that are *similar* to Zegras profile in recent league history. Obviously, there are no *perfect* comparisons. But there are a lot of guys who came into the league with solid offensive games and questions about their all around game and how their skill game would translate to play in the spring and summer. Duchene, Barzal and Seguin had similar questions about their game, but were a class above Zegras production wise. Galchenyuk had a very similar start with similar questions. Someone like Max Domi was a class below, but not that far away. Eberle had a similar statistical profile, but was a winger only instead of someone it wasn't clear about, yet, like the other guys.

A few years down the road those guys had a WIDE range of values as they did or did not figure out the rest of their game. Ducks fans saying that he had a few dozen games at WING playing responsibly in the easiest part of the NHL schedule doesn't magically change that. It's SCARY to give up a big package for a guy who could end up as Jordan Eberle. Just like its SCARY for the Ducks to give up a lessor package and see Zegras develop into a low end #1C.

That all has nothing to do with Michigan goals.

I dont disagree with a lot of that. My comment was about McTavish doing a lot of things that Zegras would get crucified last year. Zegras is still very young, and its not like he came up to the NHL being a 1 trick/1 dimensional player.

I think its a good thing that you could see the change/effort in his game.... in terms of the easiest part of the schedule... for him i dont think it was... new system, missed camp, started season playing injured at a new position. Im not really into comparing players too much cause every players mindset + situation/circumstances are different, nor have i watched all those players enough during the start of their careers.

Im not sure what the michigan comment is about. Teams might not want to pay for zegras, which again if thats the case why would we move him?

edit: i think you meant to respond to my comment on the last page?

 

[toddkaz]

I'm no Zegras apologist, but the "overrated" label is BS. If he's so far below expectations, why are there 16 pages of trade proposals for him?

So when he was asked to play defense in the new system in Anaheim what happened to his offensive output?

A lot of players can score if they only have to play one way hockey.

 

[Ducks DVM]

So when he was asked to play defense in the new system in Anaheim what happened to his offensive output?

A lot of players can score if they only have to play one way hockey.

He held out and came into camp rusty, then got injured. He was absolutely still driving offense, he just kept barely missing the net. When he came back, he had 3G 2A in 7 games(I think we can agree to ignore the 2:05 he played in the 8th game before breaking his ankle).

 

[toddkaz]

He held out and came into camp rusty, then got injured. He was absolutely still driving offense, he just kept barely missing the net. When he came back, he had 3G 2A in 7 games(I think we can agree to ignore the 2:05 he played in the 8th game before breaking his ankle).

Came into camp rusty lol.

So he doesn't have an off season training program? smh

Aside from off season program, players also play in leagues in the summer.

Never heard a 21-22 year old get rusty before.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Came into camp rusty lol.

So he doesn't have an off season training program? smh

Aside from off season program, players also play in leagues in the summer.

Never heard a 21-22 year old get rusty before.

Clearly you haven’t watched many players miss training camp then. When you’re done shaking your head, research what frequently occurs with players who miss training camp. Rust and injuries aren’t uncommon.

 

[Rooch]

So when he was asked to play defense in the new system in Anaheim what happened to his offensive output?

A lot of players can score if they only have to play one way hockey.

For starters, he's had two lengthy IR stints this season. And your contention that his offense has suffered because he's been asked to play defense is the low-hanging fruit in this debate. Zegras is fine. He's a young player on a bad team and he's learning to play a complete NHL game. So sorry he's not putting up 50 goals for your fantasy team.

 

[FiveTacos]

The problem with a guy like Zegras is what he costs you moving forward. He sees the Fiala contract or the PLD contract next door and that's close to where he's at in terms of expected salary on his next deal. That's not a good cap number for that player.

Don't those contracts screw things up for everyone though? The fact that you think he could command that kind of salary suggests that you believe there's sufficient teams willing to pay it, which also suggests that his offensive skill isn't as run-of-the-mill as you imply.

So when he was asked to play defense in the new system in Anaheim what happened to his offensive output?

Without camp, and bouncing between C and LW with Carlsson in and out of the lineup, he didn't have much offensive production in 12 games. Fair.

After coming back from IR, playing C full time, in those 8 games he was pretty close to his former rate of point production while combining his newer commitment to defense.

Small sample sizes both ways, but don't tell me 12 games is proof, while 8 games is not, unless you also want to admit you're just biased.

 

[wintersej]

Don't those contracts screw things up for everyone though? The fact that you think he could command that kind of salary suggests that you believe there's sufficient teams willing to pay it, which also suggests that his offensive skill isn't as run-of-the-mill as you imply.



Without camp, and bouncing between C and LW with Carlsson in and out of the lineup, he didn't have much offensive production in 12 games. Fair.

After coming back from IR, playing C full time, in those 8 games he was pretty close to his former rate of point production while combining his newer commitment to defense.

Small sample sizes both ways, but don't tell me 12 games is proof, while 8 games is not, unless you also want to admit you're just biased.

Yeah anyone using the hodge podge of games this season to prove any point is silly. Including this new "commitment to defense". We all know the beginning on the season is way looser than even now, nevermind the spring and summer.

 

[belair]

Don't those contracts screw things up for everyone though? The fact that you think he could command that kind of salary suggests that you believe there's sufficient teams willing to pay it, which also suggests that his offensive skill isn't as run-of-the-mill as you imply.

On the contrary. I believe that fewer teams would be willing to pay those kinds of numbers to players who aren't the top dog moving forward. There's an increasing number of instances where those contracts don't take long to become cumbersome for the teams that give them out.

 

[toddkaz]

Clearly you haven’t watched many players miss training camp then. When you’re done shaking your head, research what frequently occurs with players who miss training camp. Rust and injuries aren’t uncommon.

I have, and I watched many miss the first few months and score goals. Want an example? Jack Quinn just missed 6 months of hockey with an achillies injury and surgery. He came back in December for the first time this season. He is 12 points in 17 games and scored in his first game back.

Rusty? nah man just a good player.

For starters, he's had two lengthy IR stints this season. And your contention that his offense has suffered because he's been asked to play defense is the low-hanging fruit in this debate. Zegras is fine. He's a young player on a bad team and he's learning to play a complete NHL game. So sorry he's not putting up 50 goals for your fantasy team.

So did Jack Quinn, 6 months off with an Achilles injury and surgery. Came back in December. No training camp. He is 12 points in 17 games and scored in his first game back.

Jack Quinn also penalty kills and plays defense. Rusty? Nah, just a good player.

Don't those contracts screw things up for everyone though? The fact that you think he could command that kind of salary suggests that you believe there's sufficient teams willing to pay it, which also suggests that his offensive skill isn't as run-of-the-mill as you imply.



Without camp, and bouncing between C and LW with Carlsson in and out of the lineup, he didn't have much offensive production in 12 games. Fair.

After coming back from IR, playing C full time, in those 8 games he was pretty close to his former rate of point production while combining his newer commitment to defense.

Small sample sizes both ways, but don't tell me 12 games is proof, while 8 games is not, unless you also want to admit you're just biased.

Biased? You mean based.

 

[FiveTacos]

On the contrary. I believe that fewer teams would be willing to pay those kinds of numbers to players who aren't the top dog moving forward. There's an increasing number of instances where those contracts don't take long to become cumbersome for the teams that give them out.

That's possible, but you claimed that he's just an ordinary top 6 guy making an appropriate salary now. So if that's the case, and top 6 players are that relatively cheap, then why are any teams looking for scorers? You've basically said that Zegras types are enormously abundant.

For 30+ teams, you should be able to name about 180 forwards that are as good or better than Zegras, no?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I have, and I watched many miss the first few months and score goals. Want an example? Jack Quinn just missed 6 months of hockey with an achillies injury and surgery. He came back in December for the first time this season. He is 12 points in 17 games and scored in his first game back.

Rusty? nah man just a good player.


So did Jack Quinn, 6 months off with an Achilles injury and surgery. Came back in December. No training camp. He is 12 points in 17 games and scored in his first game back.

Jack Quinn also penalty kills and plays defense. Rusty? Nah, just a good player.


Biased? You mean based.

Quinn’s trending way below zegras first 2 seasons…. But I guess he’s just good or something

 

[toddkaz]

Quinn’s trending way below zegras first 2 seasons…. But I guess he’s just good or something

What does that have to do with a poster saying Zegras was rusty and thats why his production was down?

The last 2 years are completely 100% irrelevant to that statement. I just used Quinn as an example. Plenty of players miss camp and don't need 20 games to get going.

So what does trending have to do with that? You just deflecting now.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

What does that have to do with a poster saying Zegras was rusty and thats why his production was down?

The last 2 years are completely 100% irrelevant to that statement. I just used Quinn as an example. Plenty of players miss camp and don't need 20 games to get going.

So what does trending have to do with that? You just deflecting now.

You said quinn is just a good player…. I was showing you that statistically he’s below zegras