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[Spawn]

How out of touch do you have to be? Tonight's game was a perfect example. We outahoit the other team by a wide margin and can't get more than 2 goals. Our shooting % is 29th in the league. Exactly as I said ....our shots are not quality. We do tinnes of passes but then the pick just rolls off our stick and on net.... compare that to giving up a breakaway with a little over 2 mins left. Again we make a waiver wire goalie look like Hasek

The last 3 minutes of the night is a perfect example of the Oilers season as a whole. But not for the reason you think.

We give up a breakaway in the final 3 minutes of the game, the first difficult save our goalie has needed to make since the first period. And he doesn't make it. And then on the next shift McDavid has a wide open chance, shoots it 5-hole and lo and behold... the other teams goalie makes the exact same save our goalie couldn't. Wedgewood didn't even look like Hasek tonight. He had a good game. Something we don't get from our goaltending duo basically ever.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

The last 3 minutes of the night is a perfect example of the Oilers season as a whole. But not for the reason you think.

We give up a breakaway in the final 3 minutes of the game, the first difficult save our goalie has needed to make since the first period. And he doesn't make it. And then on the next shift McDavid has a wide open chance, shoots it 5-hole and lo and behold... the other teams goalie makes the exact same save our goalie couldn't. Wedgewood didn't even look like Hasek tonight. He had a good game. Something we don't get from our goaltending duo basically ever.

Ain't it just Bit-chin!

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Daccord is having himself a good year thus far

 

[Soundwave]

Daccord is having himself a good year thus far

Yeah seems like he's a solid real deal. Unlike some others ... *whistles*

 

[belair]

The last 3 minutes of the night is a perfect example of the Oilers season as a whole. But not for the reason you think.

We give up a breakaway in the final 3 minutes of the game, the first difficult save our goalie has needed to make since the first period. And he doesn't make it. And then on the next shift McDavid has a wide open chance, shoots it 5-hole and lo and behold... the other teams goalie makes the exact same save our goalie couldn't. Wedgewood didn't even look like Hasek tonight. He had a good game. Something we don't get from our goaltending duo basically ever.

I mean, we can also not give up a breakaway in the dying minutes of a 2-1 hockey game. They did the same shit in the Vegas game coughing up a puck in the OZ leading to a counter rush in the final minute that they inevitably score on.

Blame the goalies? Nah. I blame poor puck management and lack of awareness.

 

[Soundwave]

I mean, we can also not give up a breakaway in the dying minutes of a 2-1 hockey game. They did the same shit in the Vegas game coughing up a puck in the OZ leading to a counter rush in the final minute that they inevitably score on.

Blame the goalies? Nah. I blame poor puck management and lack of awareness.

It happens once in a while to every team. We can clean it up, sometimes pucks will take unpredictable bounces, you can't always hold teams without a chance for half a game. Other teams have good players too and they are looking to cheat up ice when down a goal.

The Oilers goals against is significantly lower this year than the last two years even with Skinner shitting the bed this year and a history making bad PK.

If the PK was even average the team would be top ten in GA in the league.

At 5 on 5 they've only allowed 4 more goals than Winnipeg has, imagine what their GA would look like if you subbed out Hellebuyck for Skinner and replaced their PK totals with ours.

We have (probably by far) the worst goaltending tandem of any contender out of the gate and we have a tendancy to start slow (probably partly due to said shit goaltending) the fact that we're not completely drowning in GA is a minor miracle.

 

[Oilhawks]

Daccord is having himself a good year thus far

Might have to change his name to Bien if he keeps it up

 

[Spawn]

I mean, we can also not give up a breakaway in the dying minutes of a 2-1 hockey game. They did the same shit in the Vegas game coughing up a puck in the OZ leading to a counter rush in the final minute that they inevitably score on.

Blame the goalies? Nah. I blame poor puck management and lack of awareness.

No team is going to play perfect defense for 60 minutes.

Yes, absolutely it was a mistake that caused a breakaway against. But it was also basically the first really good chance the Oilers had given up in nearly 40 minutes of hockey.

Make a save.

The skaters on this team are more than covering their side of things when it comes to giving up scoring chances. Time for the goalies to hold up their end of the bargain.

 

[Soundwave]

No team is going to play perfect defense for 60 minutes.

Yes, absolutely it was a mistake that caused a breakaway against. But it was also basically the first really good chance the Oilers had given up in nearly 40 minutes of hockey.

Make a save.

The skaters on this team are more than covering their side of things when it comes to giving up scoring chances. Time for the goalies to hold up their end of the bargain.

At this point Skinner might want to worry about getting his starting job taken by Pickard outright.

Pickard has played now almost 40 games here and his numbers are slightly better than Skinner's all the way through and this guy was basically an AHL toss away, which tells you something. Better save percentage last year, better save percentage in the playoffs, better save percentage again this year.

 

[McAsuno]

No team is going to play perfect defense for 60 minutes.

Yes, absolutely it was a mistake that caused a breakaway against. But it was also basically the first really good chance the Oilers had given up in nearly 40 minutes of hockey.

Make a save.

The skaters on this team are more than covering their side of things when it comes to giving up scoring chances. Time for the goalies to hold up their end of the bargain.

Yep pretty much. When Skinner's been playing at this level of God awfulness, I ain't blaming the team in front for the results. Are there defensive gaffes and issues scoring? Of course, here and there. But the main issue is our goalies are playing extremely poor.

Schwartz can f*** off any day now. Is he now teaching Pickard to leave the net and act like Mike Smith out there? Idiot of a coach.

 

[bucks_oil]

The last 3 minutes of the night is a perfect example of the Oilers season as a whole. But not for the reason you think.

We give up a breakaway in the final 3 minutes of the game, the first difficult save our goalie has needed to make since the first period. And he doesn't make it. And then on the next shift McDavid has a wide open chance, shoots it 5-hole and lo and behold... the other teams goalie makes the exact same save our goalie couldn't. Wedgewood didn't even look like Hasek tonight. He had a good game. Something we don't get from our goaltending duo basically ever.

You clearly know nothing about goaltending.

Whether you make a save or not has exactly zero to do with how few you’ve had to make or how long it has been since the last shot.

These are independent events and the difficulty is entirely based on the circumstances and variables with the shot in question, not what happened or didn’t happen 5 mins ago.

And McDavids (stagnant) shot from the slot is nowhere near as difficult a save to make as that (any) breakaway.

 

[bucks_oil]

No team is going to play perfect defense for 60 minutes.

Yes, absolutely it was a mistake that caused a breakaway against. But it was also basically the first really good chance the Oilers had given up in nearly 40 minutes of hockey.

Make a save.

The skaters on this team are more than covering their side of things when it comes to giving up scoring chances. Time for the goalies to hold up their end of the bargain.

This is akin to saying that on a night when the goalie has already saved 37 shots, he is permitted to let in three consecutive unscreened wristers from the point, since a 90% save percentage is the standard and after all he stopped the first 37 and perfection isn’t expected of him or his teammates.

You must have been a one-dimensional winger. I apologize for shouting at you when you failed to chip the puck out at the point three times on one shift.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

You clearly know nothing about goaltending.

Whether you make a save or not has exactly zero to do with how few you’ve had to make or how long it has been since the last shot.

These are independent events and the difficulty is entirely based on the circumstances and variables with the shot in question, not what happened or didn’t happen 5 mins ago.

And McDavids shot from the (stagnant) shot is nowhere near as difficult a save to make as that (any) breakaway.

Who cares.

The goalies need to make some f***ing saves.

The other teams goalies always seem to.

 

[Soundwave]

Who cares.

The goalies need to make some f***ing saves.

The other teams goalies always seem to.

Wedgewood made like 4-5 high danger saves on Connor and Leon alone.

Every goalie gets up for us because we have the best player in the world.

You can tell he did his home work too and studied our PP, he was in perfect position for the McDavid to Draisaitl one timer, outstanding preparation from a goalie. Kudos to him, he was the best player on the ice other than McDavid.

 

[bucks_oil]

Who cares.

The goalies need to make some f***ing saves.

The other teams goalies always seem to.

Hurr durr!

 

[Spawn]

You clearly know nothing about goaltending.

Whether you make a save or not has exactly zero to do with how few you’ve had to make or how long it has been since the last shot.

These are independent events and the difficulty is entirely based on the circumstances and variables with the shot in question, not what happened or didn’t happen 5 mins ago.

And McDavids (stagnant) shot from the slot is nowhere near as difficult a save to make as that (any) breakaway.

Yeah that wrister that squeeked through Pickards gaping 5-hole coming off the stick of 15 career goal 4th liner Cole Smith was far more dangerous than the 5-hole shot from one season 63 goal scorer Connor McDavid.

God forbid a goalie makes a save on a breakaway against a 4th line scrub.

 

[Soundwave]

Yeah that wrister that squeeked through Pickards gaping 5-hole coming off the stick of 15 career goal 4th liner Cole Smith was far more dangerous than the 5-hole shot from one season 63 goal scorer Connor McDavid.

God forbid a goalie makes a save on a breakaway against a 4th line scrub.

In Pickard's defense ... Skinner probably finds a way to lose that game in regulation, lol. So maybe we should be grateful what should have been a happy night ended up as one, because I totally could see Skinner giving up 2 in the last 10 minutes.

 

[McFlyingV]

Yeah that wrister that squeeked through Pickards gaping 5-hole coming off the stick of 15 career goal 4th liner Cole Smith was far more dangerous than the 5-hole shot from one season 63 goal scorer Connor McDavid.

God forbid a goalie makes a save on a breakaway against a 4th line scrub.

That wasn't exactly a clean breakaway. There was back pressure that limited his options to shooting rather than being able to threaten a cross crease move. It was a poorly placed shot several inches off the ice Pickard was just slow going down.

That being said Pickard is an AHL goalie who has at least provided ok back up quality goaltending in his time here. It just goes to show that this team is that good that they can survive on mediocre to bad goaltending. Its why I laugh when people claim our defence is an issue. This team's overall team defence is top 10 in the league in the sense that they dominate puck possession time and give up very few high quality chances each game.

 

[Soundwave]

That wasn't exactly a clean breakaway. There was back pressure that limited his options to shooting rather than being able to threaten a cross crease move. It was a poorly placed shot several inches off the ice Pickard was just slow going down.

That being said Pickard is an AHL goalie who has at least provided ok back up quality goaltending in his time here. It just goes to show that this team is that good that they can survive on mediocre to bad goaltending. Its why I laugh when people claim our defence is an issue. This team's overall team defence is top 10 in the league in the sense that they dominate puck possession time and give up very few high quality chances each game.

I think honestly a goalie who is like not below 35th best in GSAA would help this team more than even the mythical "top 4 DEE!!!!!!"

Kulak can play the role of a no.4 D and is doing well with Nurse who's game has seen a resurgence playing on his off-side.

Our D is not the problem once our PK normalizes to at least average.

If you added a goalie who can legitimately make some high danger stops to this group, they would go to another level IMO.

 

[syz]

I think honestly a goalie who is like not below 35th best in GSAA would help this team more than even the mythical "top 4 DEE!!!!!!"

Kulak can play the role of a no.4 D and is doing well with Nurse who's game has seen a resurgence playing on his off-side.

Our D is not the problem once our PK normalizes to at least average.

If you added a goalie who can legitimately make some high danger stops to this group, they would go to another level IMO.

Only concern is that it's a long season, and the playoffs will again be a different beast. Nurse, Kulak, and Emberson have all been playing well, but does it last the whole year? At this moment, yea, another top 4 D probably wouldn't be saving them from the Skinner/Pickard combo, but unfortunately I could see the team needing both by the TDL.

 

[Soundwave]

Only concern is that it's a long season, and the playoffs will again be a different beast. Nurse, Kulak, and Emberson have all been playing well, but does it last the whole year? At this moment, yea, another top 4 D probably wouldn't be saving them from the Skinner/Pickard combo, but unfortunately I could see the team needing both by the TDL.

I think a better goalie makes a bigger difference. It's pretty obvious that Ceci and Desharnais were nothing special.

Sure get an insurance D man, but I think our D can be top 10-12 even as is in the league and our offense should be ... that leaves goaltending as nowhere close to top 10 as the significant weak link and the significant advantage most other contenders would be banking on when matching up against us.

The offense is still in a funk but it's starting to come it's becoming more obvious the weakest part of the team is goaltending.

 

[McFlyingV]

I think honestly a goalie who is like not below 35th best in GSAA would help this team more than even the mythical "top 4 DEE!!!!!!"

Kulak can play the role of a no.4 D and is doing well with Nurse who's game has seen a resurgence playing on his off-side.

Our D is not the problem once our PK normalizes to at least average.

If you added a goalie who can legitimately make some high danger stops to this group, they would go to another level IMO.

I think they could reasonably add both if they can accrue close to 4mil at the deadline. With 50% retention you could afford a 4M dman and 4M goalie, and with 75% you could add double that.

An upgrade on Stetcher imo is a must, and an upgrade in net is also a must. Skinner and Stetcher are ok fall back options in net and on D, but imo both should be something we should try to upgrade on even if its a pure rental.

 

[Soundwave]

I think they could reasonably add both if they can accrue close to 4mil at the deadline. With 50% retention you could afford a 4M dman and 4M goalie, and with 75% you could add double that.

An upgrade on Stetcher imo is a must, and an upgrade in net is also a must. Skinner and Stetcher are ok fall back options in net and on D, but imo both should be something we should try to upgrade on even if its a pure rental.

The goaltending here is so poor I'm not even sure you'd need to spend a ton of money.

Logan Thompson would likely be a significant upgrade. Vejelmeka could be. Talbot is a vet and he would probably be. You could probably get retention on some of these guys too but their salaries are low to begin with.

It's hard to get worse than like 45th and 72nd best in GSAA and both goalies below .900.

 

[Spawn]

The goaltending here is so poor I'm not even sure you'd need to spend a ton of money.

Logan Thompson would likely be a significant upgrade. Vejelmeka could be. Talbot is a vet and he would probably be. You could probably get retention on some of these guys too but their salaries are low to begin with.

It's hard to get worse than like 45th and 72nd best in GSAA and both goalies below .900.

Logan Thompson would be a perfect option, but unless Washington falls out of it they aren't going to trade him away after trading for him in the summer.

Talbot is too old I think. Not sold he has the endurance at this stage in his career. He was pretty awful in the playoffs against us last year. And that isn't just because he was going up against McDrai. He just looked old and slow.

Vejmelka is an interesting idea. I think Utah is already showing signs of being a terrible team after their hot start. Would be worth seeing how he can play behind a good team.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Logan Thompson would be a perfect option, but unless Washington falls out of it they aren't going to trade him away after trading for him in the summer.

Talbot is too old I think. Not sold he has the endurance at this stage in his career. He was pretty awful in the playoffs against us last year. And that isn't just because he was going up against McDrai. He just looked old and slow.

Vejmelka is an interesting idea. I think Utah is already showing signs of being a terrible team after their hot start. Would be worth seeing how he can play behind a good team.

Vejmelka might be interesting but i don't think he would be available at a realistic price for us. Utah is not Arizona. Karel's been keeping them in games. They don't have another starter that would be close. Hrabal is probably 3 years away minimum.