TDL wish list, who, what, how many?

[notDatsyuk]

everybody producing more in Boston because boston D is much more better than leafs D, result they are playong like 65% of the time in offensive zone vs 35% in defensive zone vs leafs player would look like at best at 50-50 or 45-55%.

maybe something you will learn, more time you will play in offensive zone and more pts you will get and less time you will play in defensive zone and less defensive mistake you will do and better you will look. put zacha coyle or frederic in toronto, no one would look great... will be the same result than Bertuzzi. its hard to score when ykur purchasing the puck in your own zone all game long because your D cant make any play.

verhaeghe is a winger... Bennet is florada 2C... lundell 3C

actually Jack Drury / Jordan Staal playing at 2C in Caroline, jarvis is a winger

If we're specifically talking about the second lines, then do you think the fact that a better centre is a large factor in spending less time in your own end is relevant?

Part of the problem with Tavares, and why he is a worse centre, is that he is very bad defensively. Because of that, his line spend an inordinate amount of time in its own end.

Having played defence for over 60 years (and counting), goal for about 30, and coached for about 20, I'm well aware of the effect time spent in your own end has. I'm also very well aware of how much that is affected but a defensively weak centre, and well equipped to identify one.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Toronto should try and get a good defenseman, if possible but basically sell. Treveling made some bad signings that should pay us i.e Bertuzzi. The Leafs need picks. This team needs to make it on its own merits.

 

[Mr_Fun]

I stand with Pat.

Any D-man we would acquire would likely just spell the end for someone like Benoit. Sure, if they were serious about replacing Gio, then maybe, but the likely scenario is we acquire some dilapidated old D-man, again, with Bennie being the odd man out -- yeah, no.

If our forwards can find a way to live up to their advanced billing, I don't see the need in anything more than perhaps a depth guy or two.

I don't know if there's a goalie available out there who can play better than Woll or Sammy IF they get hot.

 

[thusk]

If we're specifically talking about the second lines, then do you think the fact that a better centre is a large factor in spending less time in your own end is relevant?

Part of the problem with Tavares, and why he is a worse centre, is that he is very bad defensively. Because of that, his line spend an inordinate amount of time in its own end.

Having played defence for over 60 years (and counting), goal for about 30, and coached for about 20, I'm well aware of the effect time spent in your own end has. I'm also very well aware of how much that is affected but a defensively weak centre, and well equipped to identify one.

the fact hes not matthews/marner defensivly doesn't mean he trash.... hes just not good enough to hide like MM and AM an awful leafs D. Every line outside of marner line spend too much time in defensive end, come playoff thats why keefe finally bring marner back with marner unstead of nylabder because matthews was stick in defensive end most of the time when they played together vs tampa.

leafs D is one of 7-8 worst in NHL and probably the worst in the atlantic...

just stwitch jt to Boston and coyle/zacha in Toronto, JT will look great and zacha/coyle like a kind of kerfoot 2.0

 

[Roo]

I think that's been the biggest problem for a long time. We haven't really been in a team that could win it all (except by a lot of luck) since we signed Taveres, but the error of thinking we were (or desperation to keep his job) led Dubas to regularly try a deadline patch by wasting real assets.

We have to keep what picks and prospects we have, and aim for the 25-26 season, when JT is gone.

If we can make a deal that improves the team beyond next summer, go for it, but don't try to rescue this season or next with short term deals.

We’re not going to throw away two years of this core in its prime because we haven’t been as good as we expected in the first half. We still have half a season to play. Our biggest challenge has been in net, and Sammy has shown signs of turning it around and Woll will be back. You don’t have give up bundles like Dubas did, but you can be smart and use 2nd and 3rds to improve your chances in the playoffs. There’s too much parity in the league, any team can win.

 

[Evilhomer]

We’re not going to throw away two years of this core in its prime because we haven’t been as good as we expected in the first half. We still have half a season to play. Our biggest challenge has been in net, and Sammy has shown signs of turning it around and Woll will be back. You don’t have give up bundles like Dubas did, but you can be smart and use 2nd and 3rds to improve your chances in the playoffs. There’s too much parity in the league, any team can win.

This is exactly right. I think it will also be interesting to see if people change their minds if the Leafs win 6 or 7 of their next 8 games. It's a series of soft teams other than Dallas.

 

[TMLAM34]

Samuelsson would be a nice addition to the blueline. Not sure what it would take though.

Rielly - Brodie
Samuelsson - Liljegren
Benoit - McCabe

 

[mikeyz]

Shall we bring Keller on board as well?

OMG how did I forget about him?????

 

[ToneDog]

We’re not going to throw away two years of this core in its prime because we haven’t been as good as we expected in the first half. We still have half a season to play. Our biggest challenge has been in net, and Sammy has shown signs of turning it around and Woll will be back. You don’t have give up bundles like Dubas did, but you can be smart and use 2nd and 3rds to improve your chances in the playoffs. There’s too much parity in the league, any team can win.

Slight problem. We do not have our next 3 seconds and it might take a 3rd or 4th to get a team just to retain.

 

[Leafs87]

Sell. The Leafs have too many holes. They need a total attitude change and depth pieces that can actually contribute physically. This has been lacked since the Matthews era began.

 

[darrylsittler27]

We need to basically run with what we have. We added to the max last year, to win one round. 2025 looms with no picks and this organization has holes. You can't count on other teams castoffs. This season could be a write off, the rest were.

 

[cyris]

Sell impending UFA’s you don’t wish to sign. i.e. Bertuzzi, Brodie, maybe Domi.

Buy players with term or team control. Like we did previously with Muzzin or the Canucks did last season with Horonek.

 

[notDatsyuk]

the fact hes not matthews/marner defensivly doesn't mean he trash.... hes just not good enough to hide like MM and AM an awful leafs D. Every line outside of marner line spend too much time in defensive end, come playoff thats why keefe finally bring marner back with marner unstead of nylabder because matthews was stick in defensive end most of the time when they played together vs tampa.

leafs D is one of 7-8 worst in NHL and probably the worst in the atlantic...

just stwitch jt to Boston and coyle/zacha in Toronto, JT will look great and zacha/coyle like a kind of kerfoot 2.0

I didn't say he was trash, just that he was worse defensively than Zacha or Coyle.

But I do like how you blame others for his defensive shortcomings, but won't credit others for his offensive production.

I don't think it would make much difference which team he played on, he's not good defensively. If he always played with four of the best players in the league, his stats would look better, but he would still not be better himself.

 

[Voodoo Child]

Unless an at least 3D who shoots right, can shoot and is big and 29 or younger becomes available stand Pat, the boys gotta become men.

I’d easily keep Domi over Bertuzzi, ‘built for playoff hockey’ but can’t score in the regular season with elite talent, JT will be back.

 

[notDatsyuk]

We’re not going to throw away two years of this core in its prime because we haven’t been as good as we expected in the first half. We still have half a season to play. Our biggest challenge has been in net, and Sammy has shown signs of turning it around and Woll will be back. You don’t have give up bundles like Dubas did, but you can be smart and use 2nd and 3rds to improve your chances in the playoffs. There’s too much parity in the league, any team can win.

We've already thrown away 5 years of the core in its prime, and short of a massive amount of luck, this year and the next as well. All the deadline trading that Dubas did gained us virtually nothing, and cost us prospects and picks.

If you accept that we are highly unlikely to win more than a round while JT is here, regardless of deadline deals, you can see my reluctance to throw away any more future on quick fixes.

If you don't accept that premise, then we can just disagree. But do you really think we can find enough good but unwanted talent for the little we have to offer, that will fix our D and G issues?

Tre will be an absolute genius if he can get anything at all for our second round picks for the next three years. We don't have any! Over the next three years, we have two first round picks, no seconds, three thirds, and two fourths. Dubas mortgaged the future for one playoff win. I'd rather Tre not make the same mistakes.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Sell impending UFA’s you don’t wish to sign. i.e. Bertuzzi, Brodie, maybe Domi.

Buy players with term or team control. Like we did previously with Muzzin or the Canucks did last season with Horonek.

Bertuzzi has an NMC, Domi and Brodie have M-NTCs and all three are on expiring contracts. All three will be very hard to move, and how much do you think we are likely to get for them? We're probably as likely to have to add to get someone to take them.

 

[cyris]

Bertuzzi has an NMC, Domi and Brodie have M-NTCs and all three are on expiring contracts. All three will be very hard to move, and how much do you think we are likely to get for them? We're probably as likely to have to add to get someone to take them.

lol no we wouldn’t have to add to get someone to take them….
Bertuzzi in particular. He returned a first last and a 4th a year ago while putting up a similar scoring pace.
Sure he has a NTC but that only means he has control over where he goes. It’s not like he would block any trade. He wants to win and wants to earn another contract.
He has to know that it hasn’t worked out great here and we don’t give him the best chance to do either right now.

 

[Leaf Fans]

The coach said he doesn’t know who he can trust and they still don’t know what their lines are.

This has only gone on for 5 yrs.

Did he say that or are you attempting to paraphrase? I have never heard him say that though when the Leafs were in the midst of a losing streak he said
"We’re halfway through the season now, 42 games in, I still have a lot of questions, quite honestly, about who is going to go out and who is going to get the job done."
Is that way you are referencing?

 

[Maple Leaf]

brodie is washed i heard need a replacement

 

[thusk]

I didn't say he was trash, just that he was worse defensively than Zacha or Coyle.

But I do like how you blame others for his defensive shortcomings, but won't credit others for his offensive production.

I don't think it would make much difference which team he played on, he's not good defensively. If he always played with four of the best players in the league, his stats would look better, but he would still not be better himself.

i just saying when youre playing like 20% to 30% more in the offensive end just because youre having more help behind making play easier and faster both defensive play than transition play ... before even considerating individual skill. Thats will help to raise your stats. You just switch the same guy from both, you can easily think your stats will be completly different

 

[danny90]

I would try to flip Bert for a 2nd if possible and try to add a D with our 1st and the cap space we gain. Bertuzzi is generally just wasted cap space.

 

[meefer]

Relative to their contracts, I'd argue we have 9/10 players playing below the expected performance levels of those contracts. Tavares, Marner, Bertuzzi, Domi, Kamph, Reaves, Brodie, Gio (?, I just think he's darned close to falling down and can't get up level), Timmins and Samsonov. I'm hoping Marner has a strong finish to the season, I can see Tavares potting a few more with a more traditional shooting %, Bert's play has been better than his point totals...but, Domi is what he is, as are Kamph - who could be a bit better - but won't win a series even at his best, Reaves/Brodie/Gio are aged out, leaving Timmins (who I think can be a keeper) and Sammy to be much improved if we are lucky.

To go deep in the playoffs you need most of your team to be at the top of their game. That's asking a lot from this team when you've that many players having a difficult time this year.

While I voted 'sell', I can see tinkering as being an option, though I'd argue for making a deal that sets you up better for next year more than this year, which means the acquired player is under contract for longer than this year.

If I could dream a trade it would be Marner to Chicago (offseason move). They have the cap space and could re-sign Mitch, giving Bedard the talent to work with that would be otherwise hard to find. In return I'd be looking for at least Tampa's 1st in '24, hopefully Toronto's first in '25 (or Chicago's 2nd in '24) and Dickinson. The close to 7 million saved, plus our current 22 M in cap space next year could be directly pipelined towards FAs this year. I'd be very happy picking up a couple of: Hanifan, Walker, Roy, DeMelo, or Forsling on D, with a chance of picking up a Guentzel or Debrusk on wing. Heck, with Byfield needing to sign in LA, could there be a move for Danault?

I don't like the idea of moving: Woll, Hildeby, Knies, Robertson, Minten, Cowan, Niemela, Chadwick, Villenueve, the Russian kid (Grebonkyn?) or our 1sts.

 

[arso40]

the fact hes not matthews/marner defensivly doesn't mean he trash.... hes just not good enough to hide like MM and AM an awful leafs D. Every line outside of marner line spend too much time in defensive end, come playoff thats why keefe finally bring marner back with marner unstead of nylabder because matthews was stick in defensive end most of the time when they played together vs tampa.

leafs D is one of 7-8 worst in NHL and probably the worst in the atlantic...

just stwitch jt to Boston and coyle/zacha in Toronto, JT will look great and zacha/coyle like a kind of kerfoot 2.0

Correction any line other than Matthew line which I agree for the most part with or without marner he’s strong

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

The anticipation of how badly they're gonna screw this up is killing me.

They've put themselves in a damned if you do, damned if you don't, situation. Half the fans are pushing to go all in. The other half have already given up.

It boggles my mind how many people are willing to throw in the towel on this season already.

A full one third of the fans want them to sell. The team isn't good enough and everyone is totally fine with that. Like they're sooooo gonna win the cup next year or something.

The standards for this team keep getting lower and lower.

At first it was "we're gonna win the cup". Then it became "we're gonna win a round". Now it's called "we're gonna make the playoffs".

They've proven their incompetence every time they've had a chance.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Needs
- Top 6 LW
- Bottom 6 Winger
- Top 4 RHD

Wants
- Another top 6 LW
- 3C
- Top 4 LHD
- Starting Goalie

I’d also want another 2C, because Tavares sure as hell ain’t one, especially come playoff time, as he is a 3C, but I know this one won’t happen so I won’t put it in either list

However I’d only buy with term, even 2 years is fine, but no 1 year rental like orielly or foligno

Wanted:

An entire team, or a 25 player (50 player total) mega blockbuster involving Chicago, Anaheim (only Zegras), and Columbus.