TDL wish list, who, what, how many?

[GoonieFace]

Wonder if Saros is someone we target and go after. I get he’s had a down year but I have no doubt he’d bounce back on a better team.

To Toronto: Juuse Saros
To Naahville: Nick Robertson + Ilya Samsonov + TOR 1st Rounder

Some people may say that might not be enough but goalies have never gotten a HUGE return.

I like Woll but his injury history worries me. Doesn’t seem like someone you can rely on for long stretches.

Saros - Hildeby future tandem.

Not a chance. Goaltending is too unpredictable to give up that much in a trade. Let it ride with Woll when he comes back

 

[TMLAM34]

Not a chance. Goaltending is too unpredictable to give up that much in a trade. Let it ride with Woll when he comes back

I don’t think it’s really THAT much and it’s a deal that makes sense for both sides IMO.

Loosing the 1st round pick is hard, especially given our unpredictable season so far but I hope adding Saros in net and Woll returning from injury that’ll help us win some games.

Robertson seems to be in Keefe’s doghouse and with Cowan coming next year, he can/should easily replace Robertson in the lineup. Robertson is someone I can see developing into a second line winger in Nashville and becoming a 30 goal, 25 assist type player.

Samsonov will probably preform better in a low pressure market and provide Nashville with a really good backup to Askarov.

Saros is signed next year and our goaltending would come out to only 5.8 million which is amazing given the talent of both and our cap crunch.

 

[GoonieFace]

I don’t think it’s really THAT much and it’s a deal that makes sense for both sides IMO.

Loosing the 1st round pick is hard, especially given our unpredictable season so far but I hope adding Saros in net and Woll returning from injury that’ll help us win some games.

Robertson seems to be in Keefe’s doghouse and with Cowan coming next year, he can/should easily replace Robertson in the lineup. Robertson is someone I can see developing into a second line winger in Nashville and becoming a 30 goal, 25 assist type player.

Samsonov will probably preform better in a low pressure market and provide Nashville with a really good backup to Askarov.

Saros is signed next year and our goaltending would come out to only 5.8 million which is amazing given the talent of both and our cap crunch.

Not sure how much better Saros is that Woll at this point, and the cap space would suffer

 

[hamzarocks]

if a ppg 2C is not enough, it will never be...



the only year leafs was looking like a serious contender was the only season last 4 Muzzin played..

you fix that hole and you fix a lot of other hole at the same time

There isnt a ppg center

There is a 58 pt 2C who sucks defensively and now should decline down to a 45 pt "2C"

Tavares sucks in the playoffs. Always has and always willl

I don’t think it’s really THAT much and it’s a deal that makes sense for both sides IMO.

Loosing the 1st round pick is hard, especially given our unpredictable season so far but I hope adding Saros in net and Woll returning from injury that’ll help us win some games.

Robertson seems to be in Keefe’s doghouse and with Cowan coming next year, he can/should easily replace Robertson in the lineup. Robertson is someone I can see developing into a second line winger in Nashville and becoming a 30 goal, 25 assist type player.

Samsonov will probably preform better in a low pressure market and provide Nashville with a really good backup to Askarov.

Saros is signed next year and our goaltending would come out to only 5.8 million which is amazing given the talent of both and our cap crunch.

We'd get blocked for that offer by the Preds

They have 4-5 robertsons or better on their team (Tomisino, Engvellista, Kimell, Novak)

Dont need or value him. Samsonov is still a dump/no value asset.

Our 1st isnt worth much to them

Thats before the crazy overrating Trotz is doing for Saros.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Just stand pat. I don’t think a 34 year old Tanev will move the needle. The big 4 will have to do it all on their own, and deal with it. They have not carried this anywhere with help at the TDL before. What’s the point of trading assets just to lose in the 1st or 2nd round?

Agreed....another 2 weeks of spring hockey is not worth departing with whatever little draft capital you have left in the organization. Let them sink or swim. This isn't our year to go trading away picks and prospects in order to win 1 rd...that was last year.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

This team gets shiny new toys every single TDL, how about give them nothing and let them know the cavalry isn't coming to save them and that it's up to the clowns inside that dressing room?

Oddly enough...I think they will finally win the whole thing when people have given up on them like the way Washington finally won one. I think the pressure in this market is too much for a lot of them and they will play much freer without any expectations. Give it a whirl and see what happens with this motley crew...they might surprise us.

 

[Evilhomer]

Oddly enough...I think they will finally win the whole thing when people have given up on them like the way Washington finally won one. I think the pressure in this market is too much for a lot of them and they will play much freer without any expectations. Give it a whirl and see what happens with this motley crew...they might surprise us.

I agree. I don't think it will take any major additions for this lineup to go on a run, provided Woll and Samsonov provide adequate goaltending. Tanev, Clutterbuck and Cizikas would be ideal. None of these guys would require major assets, although maybe the first round pick would be required to get C&C from the Islanders.

 

[colchar]

Yes?

Butt clearly didn't understand it.

 

[colchar]

Its the truth

58 pt player in the playoffs for the leafs who sucks defensively and cant skate

This year his decline in the reg carries to playoffs and you have a 45 pts 11M 3C

So you have a crystal ball?

 

[ACC1224]

Butt clearly didn't understand it.

Honest question, have you bumped your head recently?
Where in the OP does it say when the deadline is? My post was only a simple sentence no idea how you’re so confused by it.

 

[thusk]

There isnt a ppg center

There is a 58 pt 2C who sucks defensively and now should decline down to a 45 pt "2C"

Tavares sucks in the playoffs. Always has and always willl


We'd get blocked for that offer by the Preds

They have 4-5 robertsons or better on their team (Tomisino, Engvellista, Kimell, Novak)

Dont need or value him. Samsonov is still a dump/no value asset.

Our 1st isnt worth much to them

Thats before the crazy overrating Trotz is doing for Saros.

wich team really have a better 2C than leafs amount east team actually in playoff spot?

Boston? no
florida? no
carolina? no
NYR? no
detroit? no
philly ? no
tampa? probably the only 1...


so if its a hole for leafs, there a problem somewhere...

 

[notDatsyuk]

As of now, I would buy but only a couple depth pieces. We are in win now mode, and I would try to help the guys as much as possible. But I certainly wouldn’t be looking to add major names and give up a lot.


The next few weeks could change things though. And you never know, maybe being the underdog works in our favor.

I think that's been the biggest problem for a long time. We haven't really been in a team that could win it all (except by a lot of luck) since we signed Taveres, but the error of thinking we were (or desperation to keep his job) led Dubas to regularly try a deadline patch by wasting real assets.

We have to keep what picks and prospects we have, and aim for the 25-26 season, when JT is gone.

If we can make a deal that improves the team beyond next summer, go for it, but don't try to rescue this season or next with short term deals.

 

[notDatsyuk]

wich team really have a better 2C than leafs amount east team actually in playoff spot?

Boston? no
florida? no
carolina? no
NYR? no
detroit? no
philly ? no
tampa? probably the only 1...


so if its a hole for leafs, there a problem somewhere...

Boston: both Zacha and Frederic are close offensively and much better defensively
Florida: Verhaeghe and Barkov and better
Carolina: Jarvis more goals, more assists, and better defensively
NYR: Trocheck has more goals, more assists, and a virtually identical FO%
Tampa: Stamkos

Detroit and Philadelphia don't, but they are the two weakest teams overall.

And of course none of them get to play every game with either Nylander or Marner carrying them.

Now if we dropped JT to 3C or LW and moved Willy to 2C, then you could legitimately say we have likely the best.

 

[Jojalu]

Taney, when healthy, is still capable of playing as a top 2 dman. However, with his style of play coupled with his age, it has lead to him being injured a fair amount. Add to that he will be a UFA at season’s end, and what will he be wanting in terms of length and amount in his next contract? Isn’t Calgary looking to get a 1st for him? If so, I do not want him.

I agree. I want no part of him for a 1st.

If he is still around 4-4.5 next year as a UFA I would seriously think about it.

He has been a lot healthier in Calgary than Vancouver.

2 year, maybe 3.

 

[thusk]

Boston: both Zacha and Frederic are close offensively and much better defensively
Florida: Verhaeghe and Barkov and better
Carolina: Jarvis more goals, more assists, and better defensively
NYR: Trocheck has more goals, more assists, and a virtually identical FO%
Tampa: Stamkos

Detroit and Philadelphia don't, but they are the two weakest teams overall.

And of course none of them get to play every game with either Nylander or Marner carrying them.

Now if we dropped JT to 3C or LW and moved Willy to 2C, then you could legitimately say we have likely the best.

everybody producing more in Boston because boston D is much more better than leafs D, result they are playong like 65% of the time in offensive zone vs 35% in defensive zone vs leafs player would look like at best at 50-50 or 45-55%.

maybe something you will learn, more time you will play in offensive zone and more pts you will get and less time you will play in defensive zone and less defensive mistake you will do and better you will look. put zacha coyle or frederic in toronto, no one would look great... will be the same result than Bertuzzi. its hard to score when ykur purchasing the puck in your own zone all game long because your D cant make any play.

verhaeghe is a winger... Bennet is florada 2C... lundell 3C

actually Jack Drury / Jordan Staal playing at 2C in Caroline, jarvis is a winger

 

[francis246]

Stand Pat, the only move I’ll support is if Hanifin wants to come here and sign maybe I’d entertain that. Brodie will have to go back the other way or maybe Domi or Bertuzzi. Other that a potential Hanifin deal. I don’t wanna see the leafs do anything

 

[RunItBackAgain]

everybody producing more in Boston because boston D is much more better than leafs D, result they are playong like 65% of the time in offensive zone vs 35% in defensive zone vs leafs player would look like at best at 50-50 or 45-55%.

maybe something you will learn, more time you will play in offensive zone and more pts you will get and less time you will play in defensive zone and less defensive mistake you will do and better you will look. put zacha coyle or frederic in toronto, no one would look great... will be the same result than Bertuzzi. its hard to score when ykur purchasing the puck in your own zone all game long because your D cant make any play.

verhaeghe is a winger... Bennet is florada 2C... lundell 3C

actually Jack Drury / Jordan Staal playing at 2C in Caroline, jarvis is a winger

You think 2 of the 5 players on the ice is the reason a team plays less in the defensive zone? It’s a team game and our team is very poor defensively especially in regards to clearing the zone under pressure. It takes a commitment from every player on the ice to play defensive hockey and that is something a lot of our players don’t (Willy) or are simply incapable (Tavares) of doing. That trickles down if our 11M players won’t do it.

 

[thusk]

You think 2 of the 5 players on the ice is the reason a team plays less in the defensive zone? It’s a team game and our team is very poor defensively especially in regards to clearing the zone under pressure. It takes a commitment from every player on the ice to play defensive hockey and that is something a lot of our players don’t (Willy) or are simply incapable (Tavares) of doing. That trickles down if our 11M players won’t do it.

40% of player on the ice struggling... yes its enough to impact everyone. Leafs D actually 1 of 7-8 worst D in the entire NHL, its the reality and they will never win wirh it..

When your #2 is probably at the same level than boston #4, hard to compete at the same level. Rielly is also not a complete 2way D. lrafs having 1 #1 D 2 #4 4 and a bunch of 5-6-7-8th d.... thats the leafs D...

matthews,marner nylander and tavares cant overcome lack of D alone without any impact in their game... the only season where leafs wqs looking like a real contender was the only year Muzzin played healthy and leafs still needed 1 top 4 D with boosh playing with rielly on top pair... But it was also the best series core 4 never had together.



Switch jt in Boston and Zacha in Toronto and i guarante you jt is certainly a ppg player and coyle probably around half of a pts/gm.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

40% of player on the ice struggling... yes its enough to impact everyone. Leafs D actually 1 of 7-8 worst D in the entire NHL, its the reality and they will never win wirh it..

When your #2 is probably at the same level than boston #4, hard to compete at the same level. Rielly is also not a complete 2way D. lrafs having 1 #1 D 2 #4 4 and a bunch of 5-6-7-8th d.... thats the leafs D...

matthews,marner nylander and tavares cant overcome lack of D alone without any impact in their game... the only season where leafs wqs looking like a real contender was the only year Muzzin played healthy and leafs still needed 1 top 4 D with boosh playing with rielly on top pair... But it was also the best series core 4 never had together.



Switch jt in Boston and Zacha in Toronto and i guarante you jt is certainly a ppg player and coyle probably around half of a pts/gm.

I agree with you about our D but if you're solely blaming them I can't agree. Its pretty clear a lot of our forwards are not helping them in the slightest.

But yes I truly believe we are 2 tough top 4 D away from a contending defensive lineup. A lot does change when people slide where they belong and that applies to our forwards as well.

 

[thusk]

I agree with you about our D but if you're solely blaming them I can't agree. Its pretty clear a lot of our forwards are not helping them in the slightest.

But yes I truly believe we are 2 tough top 4 D away from a contending defensive lineup. A lot does change when people slide where they belong and that applies to our forwards as well.

i dont blaming d, they do what they can in their limit but they are limited. Can foward help more at time defensivly ? yes but thats not the reason why! leafs are unable to have playoff succes... outside rielly right now, no body in this leafs D is in the right chair...thats a problem

 

[Menzinger]

One thing worth considering is that there's a massive amount of parity this year, (even by modern NHL standards) especially in the east.

Really reinforces it's anyone's game once the post season starts.

Any small edge might matter, even if it's a middle of the lineup type addition

 

[capfit9]

Trade Nylander before his full NMC kicks in for his next contract in July, this TDL or at the Draft

 

[Menzinger]

Trade Nylander before his full NMC kicks in for his next contract in July, this TDL or at the Draft

His nmc is retroactive

 

[mikeyz]

I still covet Tanev.

Maybe it's better to pursue in the offseason, but if you pair him with Rielly that is a pretty damn good 20-25 mins a night combo

Well I think we all know what the Leafs need after today.

Montgomery as the coach, and Debrincat, Forsberg and Barzal upfront!!!

Easy Peasy Japanesey!!!!!!

 

[Jojalu]

Well I think we all know what the Leafs need after today.

Montgomery as the coach, and Debrincat, Forsberg and Barzal upfront!!!

Easy Peasy Japanesey!!!!!!

Shall we bring Keller on board as well?