TDL wish list, who, what, how many?

[Jojalu]

Yeh, 56 years to be exact!

This has been a bumpy ride.
If the Leafs make the playoffs thiÿs will be the first time in team history they have made it 8 years in a row.

They actually have the longest active playoff streak in the NHL right now. In a cap era where the league strives for parity, that is still worth something.

On the other hand, they have failed to have any success once there. The frustration of 56 years has grown. Even in a 6 team league no Leafs team have maintained this level of consistency.

I tend to look at the bright side of life, while understanding and empathizing with those who see nothing but failure.

I just want so badly for them to win to ease the frustration of so many fans

 

[notDatsyuk]

i just saying when youre playing like 20% to 30% more in the offensive end just because youre having more help behind making play easier and faster both defensive play than transition play ... before even considerating individual skill. Thats will help to raise your stats. You just switch the same guy from both, you can easily think your stats will be completly different

Yes, and as I said, your stats will look better, but that doesn't mean you are better.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I don’t expect him to trade to address all our problems. I expect the players and coaching staff to address most of their challenges. If you’re in the camp of these are all wasted years, then you may as well rebuild the whole thing. Tavares’ cap hit is a constraint for us next year, but it doesn't mean we can’t succeed.

Just because there were mistakes made that resulted in those years being wasted, it doesn't mean there aren't good parts - rebuilding 'the whole thing' is ridiculous when there is an easier and better solution.

 

[rumman]

Just because there were mistakes made that resulted in those years being wasted, it doesn't mean there aren't good parts - rebuilding 'the whole thing' is ridiculous when there is an easier and better solution.

The problem is it wasn’t built right in the first place, the foundation wasn’t considered, it’s a show horse, not a work horse………

 

[NVious]

At the end of the day if Matthews, Rielly, Nylander, Marner and Tavares need serious help, they weren't the core to begin with.

Honestly the playoffs for me come down to them performing, which they haven't so far. Sure if you can upgrade the D or bottom 6, do it if it's cheap. Simultaneously, I do have a hard time with the notion that a player that is 2-4 years away from being an NHLer (our late 1st round) can really turn things around even if they selected a stud (somehow), so I fail to see what keeping our 1st really accomplishes.

I don't fault people for wanting to sell/stand pat or buy, they all seem to make sense. Personally I have a hard time making a serious case for any of them, they all again do make sense.

Stand pat makes sense since the core in theory should contend
Sell makes sense if people are willing to pay a stupid price for Domi/Bertuzzi
Buy makes sense since the 1st isn't going to be helping us in our core's prime

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Sell makes sense if people are willing to pay a stupid price for Domi/Bertuzzi

No one's paying anything decent for 4 and 6 goals. You keep them around and hope they pop in the playoffs. If not they're on one year deals and you cut ties. Seems like this will happen.

Buy makes sense since the 1st isn't going to be helping us in our core's prime

Absolutely. If we can trade that late 1st for a Dman you do it because the picked player is not going to be a serious contributor in the next 3 or 4 years (core's prime) so what's the point of keeping it? We need immediate help.

 

[Sypher04]

As far as Bert and Domi go, not absolving the players, but to me it’s on the coaching staff to figure out how to get more out of them. 8.5M for 10 goals is unacceptable.

 

[NVious]

No one's paying anything decent for 4 and 6 goals. You keep them around and hope they pop in the playoffs. If not they're on one year deals and you cut ties. Seems like this will happen.

Absolutely. If we can trade that late 1st for a Dman you do it because the picked player is not going to be a serious contributor in the next 3 or 4 years (core's prime) so what's the point of keeping it? We need immediate help.

You can trade the two to move up or for a player, at the end of the day if the core doesn't perform in the playoffs, it's on them. Expecting anything serious from Domi or Bertuzzi shows that some of the core already should've been traded considering we can't count on them to live up to their 10+ million dollar contracts, needing some massive contribution from 3-5 million dollar players.

 

[thusk]

Yes, and as I said, your stats will look better, but that doesn't mean you are better.

thats exactly what i said... the fact than Zacha/frederick/coyle producing at higher rate because they are playing more in offensive zone resulting of team around them doesn"t make them better

 

[Niagara Bill]

There have been some good moves and strategies over the years - Gilmour and Sundin come to mind.

True, but none good enough. Now we gave skilled players, some over paid hurting the team chances j a cap era, some not fully invested, who hurting the team.
Imagine how good the present team would be.
1) if JT was not being paid 11m and we had a stud dman, and/or
2) MM did not eat up 10.5m or was traded to another team.
If both of these situations could have been avoided we would be Champs now.

 

[notDatsyuk]

thats exactly what i said... the fact than Zacha/frederick/coyle producing at higher rate because they are playing more in offensive zone resulting of team around them doesn"t make them better

That's what I said - that's not what makes them better.

 

[Nineteen67]

True, but none good enough. Now we gave skilled players, some over paid hurting the team chances j a cap era, some not fully invested, who hurting the team.
Imagine how good the present team would be.
1) if JT was not being paid 11m and we had a stud dman, and/or
2) MM did not eat up 10.5m or was traded to another team.
If both of these situations could have been avoided we would be Champs now.

I don’t know if they would be champs, but they could have had a much better chance to win.

 

[thusk]

That's what I said - that's not what makes them better.

no its not what you said... you just prove what you said was wrong.

if Zacha/frederick production was result of playing more in offensive side because the team around them... and they got like around 30 pts unstead of 20 for this only reason... and you said it, thats not making them better player ...

so at the end thats not making anyone of those 2 a better 2C than JT contrairly to what you said. You just admit it at the end....yes they are better defensivly but JT is by far better offensively and its not even close

 

[notDatsyuk]

no its not what you said... you just prove what you said was wrong.

if Zacha/frederick production was result of playing more in offensive side because the team around them... and they got like around 30 pts unstead of 20 for this only reason... and you said it, thats not making them better player ...

so at the end thats not making anyone of those 2 a better 2C than JT contrairly to what you said. You just admit it at the end....yes they are better defensivly but JT is by far better offensively and its not even close

No, I said they are better, and whether or not they play with better players isn't what makes them better, it just makes their stats look better.

 

[thusk]

No, I said they are better, and whether or not they play with better players isn't what makes them better, it just makes their stats look better.

outside of player around them, zacha/frederick are probably closer of kerfoot level than jt...

 

[notDatsyuk]

outside of player around them, zacha/frederick are probably closer of kerfoot level than jt...

Are you suggesting that Kerfoot is better than JT? I'm not sure I agree with that either.

 

[ULF_55]

Are you suggesting that Kerfoot is better than JT? I'm not sure I agree with that either.

Maybe he means the player the $7.5mm leftover in Cap space is used for?

 

[Captain Crunch]

That's what 5 years of Kyle Dubas will do to a team. And people expect the new GM to right the ship in a few months. It's ridiculous. This will take a few years. At the very, very least, Tavares will need to be off the books.

So do you think the other 3, with how much they are, or in Marner’s case will be, making, that they have what it takes to take this team on a deep playoff run?

 

[thusk]

Are you suggesting that Kerfoot is better than JT? I'm not sure I agree with that either.

no just you so overrating Zacha/Frederick for underating jt, its just amaizing...and doesn't really deserve tonrespond anymore

1 had been a carreer ppg player ( yes he dont have a great season but 1 season dont make a carreer) and consider him worst than a half point player/gm carreer player... and the funniest thing its you're totally serious

 

[Captain Crunch]

I don’t expect him to trade to address all our problems. I expect the players and coaching staff to address most of their challenges. If you’re in the camp of these are all wasted years, then you may as well rebuild the whole thing. Tavares’ cap hit is a constraint for us next year, but it doesn't mean we can’t succeed.

But don’t you think that the past 5-6 years have shown/proven two things:
1) this core cannot get it done when the ice gets much smaller in the playoffs
2) this lineup has been flawed ever since management overpaid this core, not leaving enough to address the other problem areas

 

[egd27]

It didn't help that Treliving wasted a year of his own with all his shitty offseason signings too.

It didn't, but at least his mistakes are either expiring or cheaply fixable.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Ahhhhh Dubas, the gift that keeps giving and giving.

Shouldn’t we include Shanahan?

 

[Captain Crunch]

So why would you want to add? Fans are not "willing to throw in the towel". They just have had enough of adding at the TDL and seeing these guys disappoint. You claimed you were great, got the money, now get it done.

I was recalling Matty hugging his Dad after beating Tampa and thought that they thought the goal last year was to win a round. Having accomplished that, they mailed it in against Florida. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 4,5,6 times, shame on me.

Yup, it is such a shame that this team makes a boatload of money! I really can’t see much changing unfortunately!

 

[ULF_55]

It didn't, but at least his mistakes are either expiring or cheaply fixable.

Actually, he had a pretty clean slate to work with.

He's already put his mark on two of the expiring contracts that matter.

He hit a long single with Benoit, might even stretch it into a double.
Gregor a bunt single.

Most of the new guys are still taking warm-up swings in the batter's box, one hurt themself stepping out of the dug-out.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Contending for a Cup could be a reality in two yrs if they were to make wise decisions today.

With what few draft picks they have over the next few years, they had better be almost perfect!