Halla
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the guy starts off with saying "im not a leafs fan".
also tanev doesnt get anything close to any of the leafs big 3
Proposal: Tanev to Toronto
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the guy starts off with saying "im not a leafs fan".
also tanev doesnt get anything close to any of the leafs big 3
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Heck NO. Tanev is nothing to get excited about. As stated by someone else in this tread, his value is about the same as Gardiner's. Nucks fans are in denial through. The Canucks are a garbage team across the board. They are where the Leafs were 10 years ago.
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I would do it, we're obviously a tweener team and Tanev could put us in the playoffs.
With a weak draft and very little chance we're in the run for a lottery pick, there's little point in keeping it if the player we're getting won't be making an impact for likely 3-5 years (if at all).
hotpaws
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every team that misses the playoffs are in the lottery and there's no way LL and the gang are going to pull a Burke and trade an unprotected 1st without being damn sure we're going to make the playoffs
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They'll be in the 1-5% range, I'd take my chances with a bonafide top 2 D man in his prime over a week draft that has very few blue chip players.
Halla
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No Marner/Nylander, no Tanev to Toronto.
the canucks don't have the assets to land one of these guys.
maybe they should just draft their own high skill forwards?. they could have easily had domi in 2013,nylander in 2014, konecny in 2015 and tkachuk this year. talent
They have vacuum assets that if you put them next to each other it works but TOR has no reason to kill chemistry or to move players they know work in the system for players who might or might not.
Whoever said Tanev and Gardiner have the same value you are a homer no GM in the league would ever agree that's the case. Tanev is a #2 shut down D. Value is that of Rielly which is why they played together this past summer and why leaf fans want him so bad. The problem is the pieces you have you wouldn't trade. So there is 0 deal for Tanev.
I am an outside fan no ties to the teams but just because the VAN gm is terrible at trading and the team is very not good doesn't mean that Tanev is that level bad. He is one of the lone bright spots. If he was on MTL or already on TOR people would laugh you off this board for making some of these offers.
I don't know if it's just the way it seems to me or others see it too but it seems to me that VAN players get looked down on more then all of the other Canadian teams combined. When players like Yakupov were still getting people saying it would take a mid 1st to get him as recently as this summer guys like Boesser and Demko and Tanev get down right degraded. And some players who once played there but left still get similar hate and downplay like Schneider and Kesler. I honestly feel bad for you guys because it seems like all the other Canadian teams get there E F and G prospects pumped up to future 40 goal scorers and your actual current 1st pair D gets compared to Gardiner.
Whoever said Tanev and Gardiner have the same value you are a homer no GM in the league would ever agree that's the case. Tanev is a #2 shut down D. Value is that of Rielly which is why they played together this past summer and why leaf fans want him so bad. The problem is the pieces you have you wouldn't trade. So there is 0 deal for Tanev.
I am an outside fan no ties to the teams but just because the VAN gm is terrible at trading and the team is very not good doesn't mean that Tanev is that level bad. He is one of the lone bright spots. If he was on MTL or already on TOR people would laugh you off this board for making some of these offers.
I don't know if it's just the way it seems to me or others see it too but it seems to me that VAN players get looked down on more then all of the other Canadian teams combined. When players like Yakupov were still getting people saying it would take a mid 1st to get him as recently as this summer guys like Boesser and Demko and Tanev get down right degraded. And some players who once played there but left still get similar hate and downplay like Schneider and Kesler. I honestly feel bad for you guys because it seems like all the other Canadian teams get there E F and G prospects pumped up to future 40 goal scorers and your actual current 1st pair D gets compared to Gardiner.
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the last time we gambled by trading future firsts they ended up being the 2nd (Seguin) and 9th (Hamilton) overall picks so there's no way they'd trade this year first especially considering we're not a Tanev away from accomplishing anything significant this season
also we're an Anderson injury away from finishing in the bottom 5 , not to mention our season also hinges on our rookies keeping up this pace the entire season and that's hardly something i'd gamble on
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The only asset Vancouver has to even come close on a trade for Nylander is their 1st round pick+.
Vancouver has no combination of 3 assets to land Marner.
Its because 80 percent of people on this board fancy themselves as experts but don't have a ****ing clue. Of that 80 percent, 75 percent are trolls.
I would say a combo of Tanev, Boesser, (last year's pick OJ who I can't spell or pronounce so I won't try), and this year's 1st. If Horvat is developing along well him too. A combination of 3 in there would be fair value for Marner again in a vacuum. TOR wouldn't do it because they are in a rebuild and know what their guy does in their system so why trade.... that being said there is a fair value trade.in those pieces but why make that trade even if fair. There is no reason.
McMatthews
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If you can't spell a players name, you clearly have no idea what their value is.
Marner is more valuable than any asset in Vancouver. It's not even close.
I can't spell a lot of players names... I'm a ****** speller. What does that have to do with Karlson owing the value of the player? I can't pronounce or spell pool party's name either. I can't spell Alex Gs last name on MTL. Spelling has nothing to do with knowledge of a player.
And yes... he has more value that any PLAYER... singular. Not PLAYERS. Seems like if you can't figure out plurals you don't know how to judge value.
And yes... he has more value that any PLAYER... singular. Not PLAYERS. Seems like if you can't figure out plurals you don't know how to judge value.
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It's expected that if you actually watch the player play, you figure out a way to spell the name properly.
Heck, even doing a google search requires the proper spelling of the name.
I just type it by sound and it corrects me to did you mean ________ hell I got names saved in my autocorrect now because of that like Beaulieu and Bjorkstrand and Sergachev and I just remembered Puljujarvi is in here because he was supposed to be drafted by us but we went PLD which go figure can't spell his full name. But for the purpose of this thread I didn't feel like going to Google to search how to spell the name of a guy that everyone knows who I mean when speaking about him.
Point being those 5 pieces, if you take 3 they would have a vacuum fair value. Or if this makes more sense a NHL17 fair trade value based on the green bars where a quality for quantity trade would work even though you would be correct that Marner is the best piece in the deal and that the deal never happens. My whole point is just that saying they don't have the pieces is a lie they do it just never happens.
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Okay...so if Tanev is put on the block, and only Marner/Nylander would do....then please give me examples of what your demands from other teams would be. Many teams are searching for RHD, so what does it take from...Detroit? Rangers? I really am interested in what you would deem equivalent from other teams.
nuckfan insk
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Just like how the leafs don't have the pieces to land Tanev without using one of mariner nylander.
I understand why leafs don't want to part with them, but you can understand why we wouldn't want to trade quality for quantity.
It's like if we really wanted jvr(we dont)
You wouldn't want a collection of lower tier pieces for him......
nuckfan insk
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Montreal (wife's team, my 2nd favorite)
Juulsen, 2017 1st, scherbak and something minor (ahl contract etc..)
Can't see any deal from New York
Liferleafer
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So, in a post above, a Canucks fan states no quantity for quality. You would accept a very late 1st and 2 unproven prospects from Montreal, but demand Marner/Nylander from TO? Toronto could offer their 2nd (not far off from MTL's 1st) and guys like Kapanen and Bracco/Dermott and you would find it insulting.
hockeyheadlines
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I don't see any reason for Vancouver fans to expect anything less than one of Marner or Nylander in a trade for Tanev.
On the other hand, I don't see any reason for Toronto fans to trade away one of the two for Tanev.
Stale mate.
On the other hand, I don't see any reason for Toronto fans to trade away one of the two for Tanev.
Stale mate.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Yeah i'm totally shocked by how good it's been so far, I would think that Benning could get a better offer for Tanev then what's being offered here.
McMatthews
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The Leafs have a plethora of really good prospects that Vancouver would love to have.
Grundstrom, Kapanen, Nielsen, Dermott, etc.
Every one of which would easily be a top 5 prospect for the Canucks.
McMatthews
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Vancouver should be trying to add as many good assets as they can.
They can't afford to hold out on guys like Tanev and Hansen, like they did with Luongo.
If they can come out of this by getting a couple 19 or 20 year old players with realistic NHL potential, they should do it and continue with their rebuild.
This situation in Vancouver needs to be blown up. You're not going to get a Marner or Nylander for Tanev. That's unreasonable.
