Post-Game Talk: GAME 18 - Stars 7 Bruins 2

[JerseyBruin]

There was a lot of falling last night. By Bruins.

The ice looked worse than the TD Garden surface which is hard to do .

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Montgomery still here?

 

[BruinsJoe]

Montgomery still here?

Yes cause it s not enough pathetic yet

 

[Aussie Bruin]

With Sway and Ullmark both getting lit up on the same night, and not for the first time this season, it had me musing again on a feeling I've had since Linus left - long time to go in their careers, but I think it's highly likely that they'll both never be as happy again in a hockey team or play as well as they did in the 3 years they were together in Boston.

If money can truly buy happiness then obviously in the long-term they'll be fine, because they've both done very well for themselves and better financially than if they'd stayed together on the Bruins. And yet, I can't help but wonder.....at what cost? They had something special that allowed both to play at a very high level and with a great amount of satisfaction. But hard-nosed reality and ambition interceded and, probably near-inevitably, took it away. It's the way of things, but perhaps, sometimes, it shouldn't be.

I'm not sure what will happen to Ullmark in Ottawa, although I fear that away from Goalie Bob and what had been a fairly sound Bs defense his form will permanently regress. I'm confident Sway will pull through though and overcome his early struggles. Too much talent not to. But his road ahead may not be as cheery as he'd hoped when he signed that mega contract. So it goes.

 

[Aussie Bruin]

Montgomery still here?

Not to rehash what happened to Monty when he coached Dallas, but suffice to say that when things got tough there he didn't handle it well. I think he has learned from that and his response this time is simply to check out and let it all flow over him. He really looks to me to have stopped caring and knows the writing is on the wall, and is just waiting for the axe to fall. Sweeney needs to do the decent and correct thing and put him out of his misery.

Jim's had good and bad as a coach, don't think he's the biggest contributor to the team's current malaise, but he's not the solution either. Let him go off, regather, and consider his future options. His time in Boston has run its course.

 

[bwunderlich]

After watching the Dom podcast the other night Dom and Craig were discussing issues plaguing the team they used the words "playing free"

So I have a few games still on dvr from 22-23 and last year and I looked at a few of those games.

I totally get what they were saying - to use Yohan older futbol, USSR hockey in the 70's and later basketball terminology/style . . . the triangle offence. Everyone is in motion. Bergy and DK are coming back and helping on breakouts, Hampus attacking in O-zone, PK is attacking and PP is whipping the puck around. And are goalies are making incredible saves.

Now, Everyone, and I mean everyone seems to be standing around, zero freedom, stagnant and below to average goaltending. No one is smiling or having fun.

Its a barely watchable product.

 

[bobbyorr04]

Not to rehash what happened to Monty when he coached Dallas, but suffice to say that when things got tough there he didn't handle it well. I think he has learned from that and his response this time is simply to check out and let it all flow over him. He really looks to me to have stopped caring and knows the writing is on the wall, and is just waiting for the axe to fall. Sweeney needs to do the decent and correct thing and put him out of his misery.

Jim's had good and bad as a coach, don't think he's the biggest contributor to the team's current malaise, but he's not the solution either. Let him go off, regather, and consider his future options. His time in Boston has run its course.

As somebody said earlier in the week, Sweeney and Neely are gonna try to hold out as long as possible before firing Monty, because they're probably on their last coach before the spotlight shines directly on them

So we might have to watch this shit show for awhile longer

..unless it gets really bad, really fast

 

[hrdpuk]

Very impressive loss

 

[NDiesel]

With Sway and Ullmark both getting lit up on the same night, and not for the first time this season, it had me musing again on a feeling I've had since Linus left - long time to go in their careers, but I think it's highly likely that they'll both never be as happy again in a hockey team or play as well as they did in the 3 years they were together in Boston.

If money can truly buy happiness then obviously in the long-term they'll be fine, because they've both done very well for themselves and better financially than if they'd stayed together on the Bruins. And yet, I can't help but wonder.....at what cost? They had something special that allowed both to play at a very high level and with a great amount of satisfaction. But hard-nosed reality and ambition interceded and, probably near-inevitably, took it away. It's the way of things, but perhaps, sometimes, it shouldn't be.

I'm not sure what will happen to Ullmark in Ottawa, although I fear that away from Goalie Bob and what had been a fairly sound Bs defense his form will permanently regress. I'm confident Sway will pull through though and overcome his early struggles. Too much talent not to. But his road ahead may not be as cheery as he'd hoped when he signed that mega contract. So it goes.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Ullmark signing to be Sways backup when his current contract ends, as long as the money isn't too much. Coincides with Korpis contract ending too

 

[smithformeragent]

It’s been a while, but this team might be bad.

They obviously had back to back playoff DNQs in ‘15 and ‘16, but those went down to the wire.

This club might be mediocre, but they might also be worse than mediocre.

It’ll be real interesting if that is indeed the case.

 

[TheRealChrisKelly]

there's 1 (one!) guy on the team that can be The Man on a line, and he's playing like he couldn't care less. Everyone else is a complimentary (at best) guy. Marchand used to be able to, but he's old and maybe broken. Zacha, Coyle and E. Lindholm are all nice players but if they're the best guy you've got on a line, it better be your 3rd line.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

You sure you're not just repeating what the Dallas broadcaster said? I watched the replay and it seems clear to me that McAvoy was interfered with. But I won't belabour the point.

I didn't watch the Dallas broadcast.

 

[goldenblack]

So Jack Edwards got all the glory years really. You gotta love that. I'm glad he doesn't have to witness this.

 

[smithformeragent]

So Jack Edwards got all the glory years really. You gotta love that. I'm glad he doesn't have to witness this.

He did have 05 on the road as well as 06 and 07.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Ullmark signing to be Sways backup when his current contract ends, as long as the money isn't too much. Coincides with Korpis contract ending too

Ullmark is signed thru 2028. He's making the same as Swayman.

That's a long way off.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Not to rehash what happened to Monty when he coached Dallas, but suffice to say that when things got tough there he didn't handle it well. I think he has learned from that and his response this time is simply to check out and let it all flow over him. He really looks to me to have stopped caring and knows the writing is on the wall, and is just waiting for the axe to fall. Sweeney needs to do the decent and correct thing and put him out of his misery.

Jim's had good and bad as a coach, don't think he's the biggest contributor to the team's current malaise, but he's not the solution either. Let him go off, regather, and consider his future options. His time in Boston has run its course.

Definitely. In fairness and professional to Montgomery. He had plenty of success here as well but the sooner it ends the sooner the Bruins can have a chance to save the season.

 

[Sevendust]

Sway: 3.35 GAA .888%

We are witnessing the full Jack Campbell of this young man

Come on .. This is the clear cut favourite for worst post of the year

 

[goldenblack]

Come on .. This is the clear cut favourite for worst post of the year

I graciously accept. But I think you're taking me a *bit* too seriously.

Nevertheless, Jack's numbers last year were 3.41 GAA and .888%. Think we're all definitely hoping Sway doesn't get a sniff of that by season's end.

 

[NDiesel]

Ullmark is signed thru 2028. He's making the same as Swayman.

That's a long way off.

Yeah thats why I think it makes sense. Tail end of his career where he may care more about where he plays and who he plays with. Sway gets to play with his buddy for the 2nd half of his contract

If the Bruins would want him at that age is another story. But yeah, long way off indeed.

 

[BB79]

Montgomery still here?

Physically, yes. Mentally? Doesn't appear to be

 

[TheFerenceWheel]

Very impressive loss

I don't why but I threw my head back and legit LOL'd at this. Thank you for that.

 

[Sheppy]

I don’t know which loss was worse. The 7-2 drubbing or the money I sent packing to the dealers at the casino

 

[SonnyBoy]

I'll never understand this sentiment - He knows he's surrounded by bums and he's carrying the team's entire offense as the only high end offensive talent on the roster.... He always shows up in big games/playoffs as well. A home-grown superstar and an incredible personality.

We would never get satisfying value back in a trade, and our offense would be next level putrid. Young enough to still build around too.

He was so scared at those two Florida series that it's not even funny anymore.

Against the "good teams" he is .853.

Stats don't really work like this.

I feel that way abut almost everything in life right now.


Not Pasta

If you want to change something in this team it definitely has to be him. As long as he surfs looking like he is not even trying the team's attitude is not gonna change. You know that if some other above average/good shooter would put his place to shoot 1000 times in season, he's gonna score a lot. Sports teams need to be constructed from winning players, not only nice ones.

 

[SonnyBoy]

And there's those that get too attached to a player and would rather hold on to "their guys" as opposed to getting back pieces to rebuild the team. Either they will trade a big contract or two or we are prepping for another 73-2006 type of long term mediocrity.

This

Seems odd that in a post-game thread after a loss there isn't any crapping on the refs. So I will address the two big calls.

Dallas gets a penalty shot when Lohrei is called for mauling from behind. On the replay in slo-mo it looks like he did a great job stopping the breakaway. But the ref doesn't see the reply and in real time it looked like Lohrei impeded from behind and stop Dadonov from getting a shot off. Thought they did the Bruins a favor calling a penalty shot, thinking better chance of Swayman stopping it than Bruins PK killing it.

Carlo boarding a completely different story. Refs get to see the replay. Calling that a minor is unjust. The definition of a hit that needs to be taken out of the game. No excuse for that one.

Carlo and Lohrei, the two victims, both ended the game at -3. Zadorov, Pasta, Zacha, Geekie all at -2.
Pasta with 5 giveaways, but he got his meaningless goal.

Unfortunately, the Bruin player with the most energy was Patrick Brown. His 4 hits led the team and he was the only forward with 2 blocks. Brazeau led the team with 4 shots on goal.

And with that he's gonna get first star from here. I understand keeping him in a team that have great players giving him good scoring chances but this is no more the case. Skill level is too weak. You need totally different kind leaders to this team.

Nope . You built a team around him.


Of course.

We have been building around him. It just won't work. This team changed to so soft after Chara, and when Bergy left it just melted. Marchy is excellent but he's too alone right now. Other leaders are all too soft (73,88 and 25), and that's why 11.91 and 47 don't know where to draw a line.

 

[SonnyBoy]

What I don't understand is what in the world has happened to the Bruins well entrenched structure, it has completely disappeared. As shocking as that has been, the ST's play is absolutely atrocious, the worst PP in the league and a bottom 5 PK. These coaches are completely failing at whatever message they are trying to get across, it is a complete gong show. They or someone else have to get them back to Bruins type hockey, the kind Julien originally instilled. There hasn't been much turnover from last year so there is no excuse as to why this train is coming off the track at breakneck speed.

After Krug and then Krejci, Boston doesn't have no one except Marchand who is great passer. And other teams do know that. If other player have scored all those "free" goals that Marchy gave them, Marchy would have over 20 apples.

Yeah what they need is another Pasta so he doesn’t have to try to do everything and make dumb plays, not less Pasta.

Yes, two players passing to other team, trying to do same old deke and losing all one-on-ones.
The player you need is Kucherov or Panarin, if you are lookin players like Pasta but are actually amazing.

there's 1 (one!) guy on the team that can be The Man on a line, and he's playing like he couldn't care less. Everyone else is a complimentary (at best) guy. Marchand used to be able to, but he's old and maybe broken. Zacha, Coyle and E. Lindholm are all nice players but if they're the best guy you've got on a line, it better be your 3rd line.

I too am worry what's going on with Frederic.