Proposal: Tanev to Toronto

[H a w k s*]

i mean to get you gotta give. where does everyone stand on the leafs 1st this season? also kap is a good prospect but saying he isn't available for tanev might be a stretch. our blue line reeks lol.

The leafs first is untouchable. You will have to settle for polak, leipsic Leivo, Hunwick and corrado

 

[WTG]

Larsen got Hall

Tanev gets Bracco and Dermott?

Canucks aren't trading Tanev unless we are getting something that looks close to a Hall like return. Or else what is the point of trading Tanev?

 

[Smeagoal]

Larsen got Hall

Tanev gets Bracco and Dermott?

Canucks aren't trading Tanev unless we are getting something that looks close to a Hall like return. Or else what is the point of trading Tanev?

Haven't you been paying attention? To help the Leafs, duh!!

 

[Canuck86]

Larsen got Hall

Tanev gets Bracco and Dermott?

Canucks aren't trading Tanev unless we are getting something that looks close to a Hall like return. Or else what is the point of trading Tanev?

What you sounds great and all, but realistically which other NHL has stunk so bad over the last decade to get that many top picks and decided to strictly on take Forwards. So they had a plethora of skilled forward talent bursting at the seems and lacked any quality D.

So sure it was a big payment with moving Hall for Larson, but really what other team has that kind of forward talent to part with a top line player for a defensive D man?

 

[Man Bear Pig]

I'd deal Kapanen in a deal for Tanev. Problem for me is I'm not sure Tanev fits the age group we're looking for. He's soon to be 27.

 

[Brock Radunske]

The leafs first is untouchable. You will have to settle for polak, leipsic Leivo, Hunwick and corrado

The Leafs 1st is available for a guy like Tanev.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

The Leafs 1st is available for a guy like Tanev.

No its not. The Leafs are fully capable of finishing in the bottom 5 again. Let's not kid ourselves here.

 

[4thline]

Larsen got Hall

Tanev gets Bracco and Dermott?

Canucks aren't trading Tanev unless we are getting something that looks close to a Hall like return. Or else what is the point of trading Tanev?

Erat got Forsbeg, not trading (insert comparable second line winger) unless getting something that looks close to a Forsberg like return. Or else what is the point of trading 2nd line winger number 3?

 

[Brock Radunske]

No its not. The Leafs are fully capable of finishing in the bottom 5 again. Let's not kid ourselves here.

We're capable to finish bottom 5 but with this teams compete level, I think we'll finish 10 in the East.
15th overall for Tanev isn't bad for either side

 

[WTG]

Erat got Forsbeg, not trading (insert comparable second line winger) unless getting something that looks close to a Forsberg like return. Or else what is the point of trading 2nd line winger number 3?

Hall for Larssen set the market for players like Tanev.

If you don't want to pay the price then what's the point of us trading him?

 

[Brock Radunske]

Hall for Larssen set the market for players like Tanev.

If you don't want to pay the price then what's the point of us trading him?

Haha no it didn't

 

[WTG]

Haha no it didn't

Alright, say it didn't why should the Canucks trade tanev for 2 B prospects and a 2nd line winger that we don't need because we have Hansen?

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

We're capable to finish bottom 5 but with this teams compete level, I think we'll finish 10 in the East.
15th overall for Tanev isn't bad for either side

It's not bad per se, but it's not great either.
As mentioned, Larsson got Hall. Sekera, a pending UFA at the deadline, got a 1st from a team that was just outside of playoff contention and missed the playoffs. Gudbranson got McCann (for value, let's say mid 1st for the sake of argument) and a high 2nd. Tanev is more valuable (given his age, ability, and contract status) than both Sekera and Gudbranson and arguably is on par with Larsson. This should be a good indicator of his value around the league.

Defencemen play a premium position. Their value is usually on the more generous side when you look at trades in the last 3 years or so.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Alright, say it didn't why should the Canucks trade tanev for 2 B prospects and a 2nd line winger that we don't need because we have Hansen?

I'm not saying anything about OP's offer. I'm just saying that the Hall trade didn't set the market for anything. It was a one-off over payment for a positional need and culture change.
As someone mentioned earlier on this page; Did Erat for Forsberg set the market for aging bottom 6 role players?
Probably not.

 

[4thline]

Hall for Larssen set the market for players like Tanev.

If you don't want to pay the price then what's the point of us trading him?

Couple things, personally I believe Edmonton knowingly overpaid, they badly needed that kind of defenseman. additionally Larsson's deal has an extra year, however much they may have valued that.

Secondly, I don't support OP's deal, I put the two basic breakdowns of deals I thought would be fair

the 1 for1- similar aged, value level and contract status forward
Stone? Schenn? Couture? who knows

the package
mid 1st + nhl ready or playing young player with top 6 forward or 4 d potential + B prospect

 

[WTG]

I'm not saying anything about OP's offer. I'm just saying that the Hall trade didn't set the market for anything. It was a one-off over payment for a positional need and culture change.
As someone mentioned earlier on this page; Did Erat for Forsberg set the market for aging bottom 6 role players?
Probably not.

Couple things, personally I believe Edmonton knowingly overpaid, they badly needed that kind of defenseman. additionally Larsson's deal has an extra year, however much they may have valued that.

Secondly, I don't support OP's deal, I put the two basic breakdowns of deals I thought would be fair

Couple of clarifications, by "set the market" I meant that we set the market high.

Not meaning that we are looking for the exact trade, but to entice Vancouver we'd like to have a large return. 2 B-prospects and a decent energy roster player who we have basically the carbon copy of is not something that'll likely entice Vancouver to move Tanev.

Of course, Hall for Larssen was a insane trade value wise. But that doesn't means that Vancouver will likely not settle for a low-bid for Tanev. Secondly, Erat for Forsberg and Latta was a deadline deal. Hall for Larssen wasn't.

Secondly, I don't support OP's deal, I put the two basic breakdowns of deals I thought would be fair

the 1 for1- similar aged, value level and contract status forward
Stone? Schenn? Couture? who knows

the package
mid 1st + nhl ready or playing young player with top 6 forward or 4 d potential + B prospect

The first one is something I'd be very interested in.

For Toronto that would probably be Kadri for Tanev. Which as a Canucks fan would kind of be trading Horvat (if he does turn into a 50 point player, which I think he will) for Tanev.

Second one:

To me that's kind of like trading a mid first + McCann + Gilliam Brisbebois

That's fair in my eyes.

 

[Blueangel1891]

We're capable to finish bottom 5 but with this teams compete level, I think we'll finish 10 in the East.
15th overall for Tanev isn't bad for either side

One of the best defensive defenceman in the league is only worth 15th overall in a weak draft?

Yeah, I guess we'll just keep him

 

[Brock Radunske]

One of the best defensive defenceman in the league is only worth 15th overall in a weak draft?

Yeah, I guess we'll just keep him

Could be 15th, could be 1st. That's the risk/reward of a lottery draft.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

I swear I clicked on a proposal not a used car lot. So much shovelling and yet no Canucks fan is willing to bite into this **** sandwich.

 

[Hunter368]

I swear I clicked on a proposal not a used car lot. So much shovelling and yet no Canucks fan is willing to bite into this **** sandwich.

Leaf fans trying to make low ball offers for a #2 defensive D signed long term on a sweet heart deal.

 

[Voodoo Child]

Could be 15th, could be 1st. That's the risk/reward of a lottery draft.

If the leafs were picking like 11th-15th, and some of the cats we covet are off the board (Nolan and lils will obviously be gone, I mean guys like Hague, Foote, Tippett and Mittelstadt), that pick plus a mild sweetener like a Bracco or a Timashov (or we'll take Sbisa with him) is good.

As for Larsson-Hall, a similar but not the same situation; it seems like a quick move, and there were known problems that may or may not have centered on Hall in the oil dressing room.

 

[skyo]

If going by the market set by Hamilton, Larsson (sorta) and Gudbranson.

1st + two 2nd's.

or

A top line forward 25<, under contract longerish term.

or

Great prospect (with some NHL experience) + 2nd + 4th.

 

[Liferleafer]

There is ZERO trade that works between these 2 teams. The pieces the Leafs can trade...the Canucks don't want....the pieces the Canucks want....they aren't getting them from Toronto.

Here is the problem i see for Vancouver, they have been asking for a Marner/Nylander level player...or a top 5 1st. The Leafs pass on that easily, and i can't imagine a team bad enough to be finishing bottom 5 trading that pick for Tanev. I also can't figure out what team has a Marner / Nylander level player they would deal. I have adked Nucks fans for examples of a comparable demand from a team that is not Toronto, still haven't got one.

 

[4thline]

There is ZERO trade that works between these 2 teams. The pieces the Leafs can trade...the Canucks don't want....the pieces the Canucks want....they aren't getting them from Toronto.

Here is the problem i see for Vancouver, they have been asking for a Marner/Nylander level player...or a top 5 1st. The Leafs pass on that easily, and i can't imagine a team bad enough to be finishing bottom 5 trading that pick for Tanev. I also can't figure out what team has a Marner / Nylander level player they would deal. I have adked Nucks fans for examples of a comparable demand from a team that is not Toronto, still haven't got one.

Still disagree. If we're getting closer and closer to the deadline and that pick is looking more like a 7-14 than a 1-6 I would move it for Tanev.

 

[Hunter368]

I'd deal Kapanen in a deal for Tanev. Problem for me is I'm not sure Tanev fits the age group we're looking for. He's soon to be 27.

Pretty sure every Leafs fan would love that trade......not sure even Benning is dumb enough to take it though. Very poor return for Tanev. Very bad for Nucks