I think as long as the team is doing well, the coach is always right. Kuznetsov started his NHL career on the 4th line, and looks like it helped him. It's about mentality. If a player is a player, he'll be ok on any line. Buchnevich played 1 game in the AHL, scored 2+1, got back and scored a beauty for the big team. That's the way young player should react to any coach desision and not blame anybody or anything.
RW Pavel Buchnevich (2013, 75th, NYR)
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Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
Leads the team in P/60, but............
NOW SCRATCHED FOR TANNER GLASS
This is after they demoted him for no reason, and then admitted their mistake a day later. Vigneault has something against this guy. Any fan who sees this should be happy their coach doesn't treat their rookies like such ****.
NOW SCRATCHED FOR TANNER GLASS
This is after they demoted him for no reason, and then admitted their mistake a day later. Vigneault has something against this guy. Any fan who sees this should be happy their coach doesn't treat their rookies like such ****.
HasbeenHallzy
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Leads the team in P/60, but............
NOW SCRATCHED FOR TANNER GLASS
This is after they demoted him for no reason, and then admitted their mistake a day later. Vigneault has something against this guy. Any fan who sees this should be happy their coach doesn't treat their rookies like such ****.
Willie Says Hi
But side not I love Buch's game and don't understand the hate either. Kid's really, really good.
Skinnyjimmy08
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i hope AV tells the GM to trade him this offseason haha and maybe to a team that the coach will actually utilize him(sorry NYR fans haha)... hes damn impressive and I don't get this at all
Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
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Leads the team in P/60, but............
NOW SCRATCHED FOR TANNER GLASS
This is after they demoted him for no reason, and then admitted their mistake a day later. Vigneault has something against this guy. Any fan who sees this should be happy their coach doesn't treat their rookies like such ****.
Is he the new Shirokov?
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
Nah, he'll be fine. He actually played with Shirokov last season with SKA. They played on the same line with Barabanov. At some point, the GM will tell Vigneault to stop ****ing around. Gorton's aware of the stakes. Its just an unlucky situation. There are only 8 winger spots. Kreider, Zuccarello, Miller and Nash have locked in roster spots as top 9 forwards. Grabner is kind of having a fluky season, but since he's doing so well, his spot is locked in the top 9. The coach is obsessed with Jesper Fast, so he'll always play when he's healthy, and the last number of months in the top 9, even though he's 4th line only. Vesey is force fed minutes, despite playing a lot worse than Buch. And then the coach is friends with Glass, which you guys are well aware of, something that lost you guys the Stanley Cup.
Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
Mhmmmmmmmm
I feel like this situation resolves itself in the off-season.
Buch will be fine. The organization knows how important the kid is.
Bobby Orr's Knees
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Puzzled by how the Rangers are handling Buchnevich. Every time I've seen him, he was good. Nothing to warrant being in the dog house. And a top level talent. I get the idea of team first, but how would playing Buchnevich possibly hurt the team? I am sure he is not perfect. Our own Provorov had some baaaaaad games early on. Still makes an occasional dumb mistake. But he plays huge minutes because the management and coaching staff recognize the level of talent. And yes, because he's better then anything we have. The point is, it's hard for young players to develop when they do not feel that the organization wants, trusts and supports them.
Igor Shestyorkin
#26, the sickest of 'em all.
Buch doesn't nearly hurt this team as much as Tanner Glass. I just don't get it, and never will.
monsieurthibz
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I don't want to bash on the Flyers or anything, but they are both in way different situations. While the Rangers have a solid top9 (with OR without Buchnevich) and are competing to be one of the best team in the East, it's highly unlikely that the Flyers will make the playoff, and the way they've been playing all year long tells us that it wasn't looking that good 40 games in the season, thus them giving Provorov lots of playing time. In the end, on a "future" and developing perspective, the Flyers will gain experience out of their miserable season, while Buch is paying for a stacked team.
What bugs me is that everytime Buch has had a role on the top6, he's been dominant to the point where, in 26 other teams, he would have earn the right to stay in that top6. But yeah, he's playing for an offensive powerhouse.. :/
Bobby Orr's Knees
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I agree. Though Provorov was given a ton of responsibility when we were still in play-off contention. That was more a function of him being our best D by game 30. Buchnevich is not a necessary piece right now, and his development is not a key priority. But from what I've seen, he could be a valuable top-6 player given the opportunity. If the Rangers didn't have room for him, why not trade him? Plenty of teams would salivate over getting a legit top-6 guy. He may just go back to Russia after the season. That would be a shame.
monsieurthibz
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Nah, at 21yo that would be a terrible move for the Rangers. Remember that it's his first year in NA and that he's still a young, yet physically mature, player. Someone said earlier that the line-up in NY will probably be a bit different (on top of my head, I believe Grabner is a UFA. There might be a few others), and after a year of showing off what he's capable of, they will adjust their line-up to fit him on the right spot next season.
If not, THEN I wouldn't be surprised if they move him or that his agent ask for a trade, but not before next training camp that's for sure. You guys seem to jump to conclusions a little bit fast here!
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
We aren't such an offensive powerhouse that he shouldn't play in our top 6. Even when he has been in the lineup, he's 11th on the team in ATOI, which is a complete joke. He leads the team in P/60, and its not some fluke either. He's earned a spot in the top 6 without getting demoted after one game if he makes a mistake. Of the forwards, he's the only one ever held responsible. Maybe some others have been held responsible in their worst game this season, but Buchnevich is held responsible for this coach's sick obsession with torturing certain younger skill players, unless he scores in that game. He has absolute no leash. And the strange thing is that he deserves a longer leash than the guys playing more than him. Its an absolute joke Vesey plays more, Vesey's on pace for 28 points in 81 games. I think its questionable whether Vesey will even make it in the NHL, he's been a big flop, but AV loves him. Grabner has had a good season, but his season has been fluky, and he is no top 9 answer beyond this season, speaking realistically. He should be in the bottom 3. Fast doesn't have an ounce of Buchnevich's offensive talent, he should be in the bottom 3 as well, yet thats not really the case. And then there's also Nash who has been absolutely awful. Nash has been a third line forward for a few seasons now, there's no reason to treat him any differently.
Even when he's in the top 6, AV will set things up so his two line mates are PK'ing right at the end of his shift or if they are one of the first lines out after a PK, he'll just throw Kreider onto that line instead of Buchnevich because that would mean Stepan and Zuccarello were probably just out there PK'ing. The team was losing a game a few games ago with like 10 minutes left, and Buchnevich wasn't playing badly, but didn't have any points, so the coach's solution was that Tanner Glass would replace his spot, a player you'd have to go back over three seasons counting the regular season and playoffs to find him scoring the amount of points Buchnevich has in 33 games this season. Imagine thinking Tanner Glass gives you a better chance to score than Pavel Buchnevich. You must really be dumb. And then the game before he was benched, Kreider double shifted at the end of the game instead of Buchnevich taking his regular shift. He was actually playing really well in that game, just snakebitten. Of course, the coach gives him no leash.
His minutes should mimic Kreider's, which is 16:55. It would be hard to get any higher than that this season because the three players who do play in all three situations, and its too early to experiment with him as a PK'er.
monsieurthibz
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I really don't want you to take it personally, but I feel like you're a little bit too intense on the AV bashing. Your team has a 44-24-3 record, stands in second in GF, 11th in GA (Lundqvist has had a shaky season, but it's still really reasonable), but all I see from you is cursing over Vigneault's moves and decisions.
I consider myself as a hockey fanatic even before a Habs fan (my home town), so I tend to dig deeper when I want to get answers, and let me tell you that from a hockey fan perspective, Michel Therrien has made moves in the past that could seem completely out of place (demoting Galchenyuk from the 1st line, moving Desharnais up to the 2nd line, etc.), but in the end, IT WORKED. He lost his lockerroom a month ago, then got fired, but my point is that they're not coaching NHL teams for nothing, and they know what they're doing.
You can't always put your most skilled forwards out there and hope they control the puck during 50 out of 60 minutes. That's not the way it works. So at some point you've got to give the coach credit for what he does, even if one of your skilled favorite player is sitting a game here and there for no APPARENT reasons. It might not be him directly who's to blame, more like the coach's strategy when facing a certain team, or because he thinks Buch will benefit watching the game from the press box. But yes, from a fan perspective, it sucks to see such a talent player no play how we'd love him to.
(..and I love Buchnevich, been following him for years now.)
I consider myself as a hockey fanatic even before a Habs fan (my home town), so I tend to dig deeper when I want to get answers, and let me tell you that from a hockey fan perspective, Michel Therrien has made moves in the past that could seem completely out of place (demoting Galchenyuk from the 1st line, moving Desharnais up to the 2nd line, etc.), but in the end, IT WORKED. He lost his lockerroom a month ago, then got fired, but my point is that they're not coaching NHL teams for nothing, and they know what they're doing.
You can't always put your most skilled forwards out there and hope they control the puck during 50 out of 60 minutes. That's not the way it works. So at some point you've got to give the coach credit for what he does, even if one of your skilled favorite player is sitting a game here and there for no APPARENT reasons. It might not be him directly who's to blame, more like the coach's strategy when facing a certain team, or because he thinks Buch will benefit watching the game from the press box. But yes, from a fan perspective, it sucks to see such a talent player no play how we'd love him to.
(..and I love Buchnevich, been following him for years now.)
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
We realize he's had a good NHL career as a coach, the problem people have with Vigneault is his lack of consistency, and his obvious double standards for certain players. Its not just me either. Most of our fan base on HFNYR has turned against the guy in the past season or so. Obviously, this is just one issue, and its being discussed on a message board. Its of no real importance, in the big picture. No one wishes the guy poorly, we just don't like how he's coached the team. We have a good team, but the goal isn't a first round exit.
Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
Buch is great.
Vesey has his ups and downs but has a role he plays well.
Lindberg looks like he's finally recovered from his offseason surgery.
The KidLine looks good, yo.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
Makes tons of sense that Clendening is getting fired tomorrow, but he's going to call in sick today when the only thing he can do to possibly save his job is play an excellent game.
I think its more likely he said "you're too injured to play today" to the two players on the team who he gives no leash.
At this point, its not even a leash. AV puts out incorrect information about Buchnevich that are typical cliches about rookies and Russian players, and so many people lap it up. The guy is 50th in the league in point efficiency in the whole league as a rookie, yet he gets scratched for the worst player in the NHL what is looking like a second time after being sent to the AHL because the coach made up more incorrect information that too many people lapped up.
Edit: And here's the proof.
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