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toddkaz

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Anyone else think that the off-season moves are crystal clear?

1. Sign/trade for a 4 d pairing for Power
2. Sign/trade for a tenacious, defensively
responsible top 9 forward
3. Sign/trade for a short term proven starting goalie
4. Resign Girgs
5. Move on from Joker, Olofsson, Bryson, and one of Comrie/UPL. Use them in points #1-3.
6. Explore possibility of new assistant coaches, PK and PP specialists.

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One of Comrie/UPL in Rochester if Levi starts on the Sabres
I would like to see Girgensons gone too. Not that he is a bad player but time to turn the page. Krebs needs to get off the 4th line. Have Krebs center the 3rd line with Mitts on the wing? Would Savoie play wing or center in the NHL? 3rd and 4th lines need some work its a bit of a mish mash.

Bringing in a top 4 defender and solid goaltending puts this team in the playoffs next year.
 

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I would like to see Girgensons gone too. Not that he is a bad player but time to turn the page. Krebs needs to get off the 4th line. Have Krebs center the 3rd line with Mitts on the wing? Would Savoie play wing or center in the NHL? 3rd and 4th lines need some work its a bit of a mish mash.

Bringing in a top 4 defender and solid goaltending puts this team in the playoffs next year.
Agree with getting Krebs off of line 4. He has a higher ceiling than that, we should give him the chance to develop offensively.

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I know people want to add jam to our forward group but realistically that's going to be difficult with the type of guys we have coming. Might as well embrace our identity and at least get a 4th line that is good defensively and hard to play against.
 

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Agree with getting Krebs off of line 4. He has a higher ceiling than that, we should give him the chance to develop offensively.

Skinner-TT-Tuch (locked in)
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I know people want to add jam to our forward group but realistically that's going to be difficult with the type of guys we have coming. Might as well embrace our identity and at least get a 4th line that is good defensively and hard to play against.

That would probably be the youngest top 9 in the NHL.

 
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Agree with getting Krebs off of line 4. He has a higher ceiling than that, we should give him the chance to develop offensively.

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I know people want to add jam to our forward group but realistically that's going to be difficult with the type of guys we have coming. Might as well embrace our identity and at least get a 4th line that is good defensively and hard to play against.
Or more realistically - there won't be space for all of the skill guys Adams has collected & he's going to need to part ways with some of them in order to get/make room for the things the squad is lacking...
 

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Agree with getting Krebs off of line 4. He has a higher ceiling than that, we should give him the chance to develop offensively.

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Mitts-Krebs-Savoie

I know people want to add jam to our forward group but realistically that's going to be difficult with the type of guys we have coming. Might as well embrace our identity and at least get a 4th line that is good defensively and hard to play against.

No. Just no.

First off, I don't think you should be locking in the Quinn-Cozens-Peterka line. I think there could be some effectiveness by adding a more defensive oriented forward there.

Second, simply delegating every defensive matchup to your 4th line is asking for disaster. You need to have at least one other line that is defensively competent. Your 4th line ends up getting a ton of ice time in close games late and it makes it difficult to generate any sort of sustained pressure.

Unless Savoie can help with defensive zone play/PK/and win faceoffs...he can go back to Junior or we can loan him to a SHL team. The AHL rules suck, but they are what they are right now. The solution isn't adding another another one dimensional forward with a roster overloaded with one dimensional forwards just because he can't go to the AHL. He isn't going to get good ice time here behind Cozens/Thompson regardless.
 

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Anyone else think that the off-season moves are crystal clear?

1. Sign/trade for a 4 d pairing for Power
2. Sign/trade for a tenacious, defensively
responsible top 9 forward
3. Sign/trade for a short term proven starting goalie
4. Resign Girgs
5. Move on from Joker, Olofsson, Bryson, and one of Comrie/UPL. Use them in points #1-3.
6. Explore possibility of new assistant coaches, PK and PP specialists.

Skinner-Tage-Tuch
Quinn-Cozens-Peterka
Kulich/(#2)-Mitts-Savoie/(#2)
Girgs-Krebs-Rousek

Sams-Dahlin
Power-(#1)
Stillman-Boosh
Johnson/Depth

(#3)
Levi

One of Comrie/UPL in Rochester if Levi starts on the Sabres
1). I'd be willing to take a flyer on Klingberg for a year @$6-7m. Hasn't done much to demand more than this year and has looked better in MINN.

2 and 3. Trade with AZ for Vejmelka and Crouse. Comrie or UPL (their pick), JJP, and a whatever pick required (hope a 2nd and 4th maybe, but a 24 1st if necessary.

4). No. I'd rather have Hino personally as he is more versatile and cheaper.

5) Yes, Hell yes, Absolutely Hell Yes, and see point 2/3

6) How about KO as Asst Coach to run PK.
 

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Agree with getting Krebs off of line 4. He has a higher ceiling than that, we should give him the chance to develop offensively.

Skinner-TT-Tuch (locked in)
Quinn-Cozens-JJ (locked in)
Mitts-Krebs-Savoie

I know people want to add jam to our forward group but realistically that's going to be difficult with the type of guys we have coming. Might as well embrace our identity and at least get a 4th line that is good defensively and hard to play against.
Right here is the problem people need to get thier head wrapped around when it comes to how we build the team going forward. There are 7 spots on the bottom half of the forward roster.

Even if you let Okposo, Girgs, and Hino go.

You still already have: Mitts, Krebs, Greenway, Olofsson, Jost

You have coming in 1-3 years the below, before we even draft this year.

Savoie
Kulich
Ostland
Rosen
Murray
Kisakov
Rousek
Kozak
Biro
Weissbach

Thats already 15 potential players under contract to build a bottom six with. Go ahead! Show me your bottom six! Its not that easy given the lack of size and combinations of player types. At least half these players are not bottom six types of players.

Then, after you pick your 7.......are you ready to trade the other 8?

We don't have to make a missmatched poorly constructed bottom 6. We have a severe excess of smallish skilled forward prospects. There is way more than spots. We have to package them in trades to fix holes in the roster and get the size, physicality, defensively responsible, faceoff winning, PP killing, to build a proper bottom 6.
 
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Agree with getting Krebs off of line 4. He has a higher ceiling than that, we should give him the chance to develop offensively.

Skinner-TT-Tuch (locked in)
Quinn-Cozens-JJ (locked in)
Mitts-Krebs-Savoie

I know people want to add jam to our forward group but realistically that's going to be difficult with the type of guys we have coming. Might as well embrace our identity and at least get a 4th line that is good defensively and hard to play against.

Mitts-Krebs-Greenway. I want to see that to start next year.
 
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No. Just no.

First off, I don't think you should be locking in the Quinn-Cozens-Peterka line. I think there could be some effectiveness by adding a more defensive oriented forward there.

Second, simply delegating every defensive matchup to your 4th line is asking for disaster. You need to have at least one other line that is defensively competent. Your 4th line ends up getting a ton of ice time in close games late and it makes it difficult to generate any sort of sustained pressure.

Unless Savoie can help with defensive zone play/PK/and win faceoffs...he can go back to Junior or we can loan him to a SHL team. The AHL rules suck, but they are what they are right now. The solution isn't adding another another one dimensional forward with a roster overloaded with one dimensional forwards just because he can't go to the AHL. He isn't going to get good ice time here behind Cozens/Thompson regardless.
Savoie might force their hand, regardless if you want him here or not. If he comes to camp, tears it up, gets a 9 game trial and produces, he's here to stay.

By all accounts he is close to ready.

Or more realistically - there won't be space for all of the skill guys Adams has collected & he's going to need to part ways with some of them in order to get/make room for the things the squad is lacking...
Probably at some point. But that seems unlikely to be done this off-season.
 

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Savoie might force their hand, regardless if you want him here or not. If he comes to camp, tears it up, gets a 9 game trial and produces, he's here to stay.

By all accounts he is close to ready.

Why would any of this matter?

What are the team needs?

Goaltending, Defense, help on the PK/improved defensive play from forwards.

How does Savoie address any of those problems?

Is there something pressing like his rights expiring that forces our hand to put him on the team?

The question isn't "Is he NHL ready". In the right situation, I'm sure he is. However, with how our current team is constructed and what our needs are....does adding Savoie make any sense?

The AHL rule sucks....it doesn't mean we need to bring him up rather than address our needs. If we move one of Quinn or Peterka in a package for a top pairing D-man...then sure, it could make some sense. As it stands now? Not really.
 

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I think we need an NHL-capable G3 in Rochester, just in case. I'd prefer a guy who's young enough to avoid waivers. UPL would get claimed if it's early in the season. Comrie might not (because of his cap hit).

Another possibility would be if they have it as an injury recall, that doesn't require clearing waivers.
 

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Another possibility would be if they have it as an injury recall, that doesn't require clearing waivers.
They'd still have to be assigned to Roch at training camp and pass through waivers then, no? I think they're both on one-way contracts.

Unless you start the season with a three-goalie rotation. We know that stinks. How else do you deal with the risk that Beastie may not quite be ready for primetime?
 

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Mitts-Krebs-Greenway. I want to see that to start next year.
OK. What does that line do? Is it a checking line? Scoring line? 2 way line?

My take is that neither Mitts or Krebs have even an average NHL shot. Neither Mitts or Krebs are good at faceoffs. In this setup you are playing Greenway on his offside, which is fine because it puts him in a better position to shoot, as he is the only shooter on that line. However, that also means he is going to spend more time getting in shot locations vs playing deep in the boards. It's a place to put three players you have, but seems to lack purposeful design.

What is your thought behind that line design?
 

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Why would any of this matter?

What are the team needs?

Goaltending, Defense, help on the PK/improved defensive play from forwards.

How does Savoie address any of those problems?

Is there something pressing like his rights expiring that forces our hand to put him on the team?

The question isn't "Is he NHL ready". In the right situation, I'm sure he is. However, with how our current team is constructed and what our needs are....does adding Savoie make any sense?

The AHL rule sucks....it doesn't mean we need to bring him up rather than address our needs. If we move one of Quinn or Peterka in a package for a top pairing D-man...then sure, it could make some sense. As it stands now? Not really.
None of that matters if Savoie forces your hand. If he's outplaying guys in camp and is scoring points in NHL games, he stays. That's how it has always worked.

You should brace yourself for Savoie being on the 23-24 roster because it is a very real possibility.
 

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They'd still have to be assigned to Roch at training camp and pass through waivers then, no? I think they're both on one-way contracts.

Unless you start the season with a three-goalie rotation. We know that stinks. How else do you deal with the risk that Beastie may not quite be ready for primetime?

They would need to be assigned at the start of the year, yes.
 

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OK. What does that line do? Is it a checking line? Scoring line? 2 way line?

My take is that neither Mitts or Krebs have even an average NHL shot. Neither Mitts or Krebs are good at faceoffs. In this setup you are playing Greenway on his offside, which is fine because it puts him in a better position to shoot, as he is the only shooter on that line. However, that also means he is going to spend more time getting in shot locations vs playing deep in the boards. It's a place to put three players you have, but seems to lack purposeful design.

What is your thought behind that line design?

It's a 2-way line that plays a heavy cycle game on the board -- all 3 are very good along the boards. I think you're underrating Mitts' shot....his wrist/snap shot is underrated-ly good. Cycle the puck down low, get it to the point, then get in front of the net.

Mitts has shown the ability to take faceoffs, so I trust that a year of focus there will get him to 50%. Greenway is terrific positionally in his own zone, which allows Krebs and Mitts to aggressively puck hunt while playing D.
 
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None of that matters if Savoie forces your hand. If he's outplaying guys in camp and is scoring points in NHL games, he stays. That's how it has always worked.

You should brace yourself for Savoie being on the 23-24 roster because it is a very real possibility.
If Savoie is good enough to make the roster next year - it should be at the expense of another skill guy. In which case - we should probably brace ourselves for that guy to be demoted / eventually traded.
 

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None of that matters if Savoie forces your hand. If he's outplaying guys in camp and is scoring points in NHL games, he stays. That's how it has always worked.

You should brace yourself for Savoie being on the 23-24 roster because it is a very real possibility.

Actually it isn't. Plenty of time players have been better at camp and gotten sent down or returned to Juniors. It happens all the time. It's about fit and addressing needs. I like Savoie, I think in an ideal world he's our #1 center in Rochester and first call up when there is an injury and an opening on a scoring line. That isn't an option due to the way the AHL/CHL rules work.

Really the only way he is a regular is if one of the waiver exempt players are sent down. Krebs, Quinn, and Peterka will all have some waiver exemption left (though, assuming he's healthy, Krebs hits that limit 25 games into next year). Unless someone has a huge turdburger of a camp or we are hit with a long term injury during camp that opens a slot, I'd be surprised to see him here.

Moving a 25+ goal scorer in Olofsson this summer because we need to add better two way play and to use that slot on a 19 year old rookie would be counter intuitive to say the least.

Also, from a pure logistical standpoint, the further we can slide Savoie's ELC, the better. Since he will be 19 on Sept 15th this year, we can slide his ELC an additional year. That would mean, we'd get better years from him while his contract is cheap.

The Sabres are no longer a 'developmental' team. We are going to finish over .500 (hopefully) and likely within 5 points of the last playoff spot. It has to be about winning games now. You can't force a square peg into a round hole on your roster, even if it's a very nice square peg.

Savoie could have individual success on our roster right now. He's a talented kid. I don't think he would improve our team in the standings, however.
 

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1). I'd be willing to take a flyer on Klingberg for a year @$6-7m. Hasn't done much to demand more than this year and has looked better in MINN.

2 and 3. Trade with AZ for Vejmelka and Crouse. Comrie or UPL (their pick), JJP, and a whatever pick required (hope a 2nd and 4th maybe, but a 24 1st if necessary.

4). No. I'd rather have Hino personally as he is more versatile and cheaper.

5) Yes, Hell yes, Absolutely Hell Yes, and see point 2/3

6) How about KO as Asst Coach to run PK.
Not trading peterka
 

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They'd still have to be assigned to Roch at training camp and pass through waivers then, no? I think they're both on one-way contracts.

Unless you start the season with a three-goalie rotation. We know that stinks. How else do you deal with the risk that Beastie may not quite be ready for primetime?

Give his cap hit (1.8M), Comrie is effectively waiver proof. Most teams are spending at or near the cap, especially early in the season. It would have to be a situation where their starting goalie is on LTIR.

I'm not sure about UPL. He is very skilled. And he has size. With the right coaching and maturity, he could very well be a starter in this league in a few years. The question is, is a team going to want his inconsistency at backup? Maybe he works with a coach this summer and he's ready to be a starter next year.

The ideal situation is you get a legit starting goalie who can play 50-60 games. One of UPL/Comrie is the backup, one goes to Rochester to backup Levi.
 

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If Savoie is good enough to make the roster next year - it should be at the expense of another skill guy. In which case - we should probably brace ourselves for that guy to be demoted / eventually traded.
Cya Vic.
Actually it isn't. Plenty of time players have been better at camp and gotten sent down or returned to Juniors. It happens all the time. It's about fit and addressing needs. I like Savoie, I think in an ideal world he's our #1 center in Rochester and first call up when there is an injury and an opening on a scoring line. That isn't an option due to the way the AHL/CHL rules work.

Really the only way he is a regular is if one of the waiver exempt players are sent down. Krebs, Quinn, and Peterka will all have some waiver exemption left (though, assuming he's healthy, Krebs hits that limit 25 games into next year). Unless someone has a huge turdburger of a camp or we are hit with a long term injury during camp that opens a slot, I'd be surprised to see him here.

Moving a 25+ goal scorer in Olofsson this summer because we need to add better two way play and to use that slot on a 19 year old rookie would be counter intuitive to say the least.

Also, from a pure logistical standpoint, the further we can slide Savoie's ELC, the better. Since he will be 19 on Sept 15th this year, we can slide his ELC an additional year. That would mean, we'd get better years from him while his contract is cheap.

The Sabres are no longer a 'developmental' team. We are going to finish over .500 (hopefully) and likely within 5 points of the last playoff spot. It has to be about winning games now. You can't force a square peg into a round hole on your roster, even if it's a very nice square peg.

Savoie could have individual success on our roster right now. He's a talented kid. I don't think he would improve our team in the standings, however.
So you're saying there's no threshold of performance Savoie can perform at that would permit him making the NHL team.

Yeah, that's not how it works. If you perform at a high level and force your way on, you are in.

Again I think there's a good chance you are going to be very upset in the fall.

Not even saying I disagree with sending him down, I like the idea of letting Savoie slide another year to coincide with Skinner expiring as I said before. But if he performs and produces, that's that.
 
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Peterka Cozens Quinn
Kulich Ostlund Savoie

Long term hopefully something like this then a 4 th line . Hard to fit everyone else rosen Krebs Mittlestadt Olofsson Jost greenway Girgensons Okposo etc…
 

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Cya Vic.

So you're saying there's no threshold of performance Savoie can perform at that would permit him making the NHL team.

Yeah, that's not how it works. If you perform at a high level and force your way on, you are in.

Again I think there's a good chance you are going to be very upset in the fall.
No - it's not just a case of replacing Olofsson - who if you didn't notice is a healthy scratch currently.

Savoie (along with Kulich) will need to beat out the likes of Quinn, Peterka, Mitts - because that's who they should be directly competing against.
 
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