Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)
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Ace
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There is zero excuses left. Need to add a top 4 D and a legit Goalie this off-season. Period. Can not accept another wasted year leaving the holes empty. Can’t ruin Levi giving him no option but to be thrown in the deep end with a defense in front of him that can’t even swim
I've proposed moving Krebs on for a more finished product in the past. So I'm not opposed to going any route in the bottom 6. My question is, given the vast variety of needs we have, should we be spending the assets to find a two way C when you can get JUST the defensive part of the game you want in a 4C for much less?
I don't disagree the utility in having a good two way center who can both handle the PK/Defensive heavy lifting and contribute offense. I just see the more pressing needs (Defense and goaltending) and think we are better off fixing those areas and bandaging the defensive center issue with a reasonably priced 4th line UFA.
I think this is probably the first time in a while the board has had some consensus on off season plan ideas
I think the vast majority of people's plans are some version of:
Olofsson, Jokijarhu -> Gone
Add top 4 D-man (with a preference for the right hand)
Add a legit starting goalie
Fiddle with the bottom six to some degree to improve PK/Defensive zone play from the forward group.
I think the vast majority of people's plans are some version of:
Olofsson, Jokijarhu -> Gone
Add top 4 D-man (with a preference for the right hand)
Add a legit starting goalie
Fiddle with the bottom six to some degree to improve PK/Defensive zone play from the forward group.
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And both are wrong.
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Both have him listed at 5'11'' and 170.
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I think you'll be disappointed. It's three years now and counting without trying to fix goaltending or defense.
Hutton-Ullmark
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Comrie-Anderson
Next season will be:
Comrie-UPL
But it will likely turn into:
Levi-Freakshow
If we make the playoffs 2024 Granato deserves a statue. I love the players and Don but Adams is basically Mr Cost-Control Cruise-Mode
His job is to be cheap.
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Well first off Levi can't go to Rochester for the playoffs as he signed with Buffalo instead of a PTO with the Amerks. He can be assigned there next year
Yes. I don't think I've known such a strong general concensus such as what we have now.
That's because it's so obvious.
They're close. Adams just needs to get them over the line. It's going to be two trades & a couple low key UFA (re) signings. Very doable.
he can't play for Rochester in the playoffs
HaNotsri
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As much as I'd like that outcome it's not really a good plan a.
There's a difference between putting your trust in talent and being a lazy bum.
That would be an unwise and unnecessary rolling of the dice on Levi's development.
Matt Ress
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Yes very different. We did know how this year was going to play out though, yeah?
Matt Ress
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Yes yes slow cook everyone and bring in vets. Thing is that's not how it always works out.
I mean, if you mean the season was going to be torpedoed by bad goaltending, poor penalty kill, and lack of quality defensive depth, then yeah. The only real shocking thing this year was Thompson taking a huge step beyond what he did last year, which has taken us from a .500 team to a team on the outer edges of the playoffs. Most people thought Dahlin and Cozens would take the next steps.
When literally every other team will give their young goalies a full season of AHL time unless there are circumstances out of their control, it's almost like there is a REASON for it.
With forwards, and to a lesser extent, d-men, you can hide them a bit. Higher O-zone deploys, put them in situations to succeed. With goalies, the only way of bringing them along slowly would be to pick good spots for them to start, which would limit their play time. Which is why its generally accepted that goalies get time in the minors and get the lions share of ice time and let them learn to manage the higher game load and more compact schedule.
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Matt Ress
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Yeah we did know that we were going into the season with questionable goaltending and defensive depth and Adams probably wouldn't do a whole lot to fix it in season. I mean he's said so countless times.
And I'm not saying that Levi will definitely make the Sabres out of camp but the nonsense mob mentality about the notion being ridiculous is dismissive, closed minded and doesn't age well. Do you think management cares what anyone else has done ever? I would hope not. If he's at a level of physical and mental ability, he may make the team.
I mean we knew we didn't have a perfect roster going in and it looks like we'll finish about where all of us thought they would. It kinda sucks but hopefully there's some long term benefits.
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I shouldn’t have to tell people that the only plan in goal can’t be a rookie who has never played a pro schedule and needs to start as much as possible…but it sure seems like it needs to be said.
The do nothing brigade that occupies the front office has actual stakes now. I’m not talking about making the playoffs…no one in ownership gives a good goddamn about doing that or what it takes to do it. I’m talking about Levi’s development. You can’t treat his development and your entire franchise as if the best case scenario is going to happen.
He needs to play. A lot. If he struggled at the NHL level next year…he still has to play. A lot. So you send him to Rochester to start all the games…and your team gets…UPL AND COMRIE? That is not a plan. That is a surrender. Terrible plan.
The other option if Levi struggles is to keep throwing him out there to play most of the games in the NHL anyway. Terrible plan.
The only way the plan works is if everything goes great. THAT IS NOT A PLAN.
The do nothing brigade that occupies the front office has actual stakes now. I’m not talking about making the playoffs…no one in ownership gives a good goddamn about doing that or what it takes to do it. I’m talking about Levi’s development. You can’t treat his development and your entire franchise as if the best case scenario is going to happen.
He needs to play. A lot. If he struggled at the NHL level next year…he still has to play. A lot. So you send him to Rochester to start all the games…and your team gets…UPL AND COMRIE? That is not a plan. That is a surrender. Terrible plan.
The other option if Levi struggles is to keep throwing him out there to play most of the games in the NHL anyway. Terrible plan.
The only way the plan works is if everything goes great. THAT IS NOT A PLAN.
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The challenge is that Adams needs to make roster decisions before camp is over.
This off season, he has to make decisions before Levi shows up to camp.
What if Adams banks on Levi being the Sabres #1 next season and by the end of camp it is obvious that he isn't ready for that and he needs starts in the AHL to properly develop?
Then the Sabres are stuck with whatever NHL backup and AHL starter (likely UPL & Comrie) that they have on the roster because they didn't do much in the off season by putting all their eggs in the Levi basket.
The downside of betting on Levi this summer is much larger than betting on Levi needing time in the AHL.
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After Levi's short sample size how is he not in the NHL next year? He has yet to let in a goal thats a clean beat. Its only been two games but this kid is for real.
That being said of course there will be growing pains but having UPL and Levi next year is my expectations.
That being said of course there will be growing pains but having UPL and Levi next year is my expectations.
I’m not sure if this was posted anywhere - but it’s just so clear what our issues are. It should make the plan in the offseason obvious for KA.
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It's interesting that their shot attempts against per game is actually pretty good at 10th in the league, but they are 28th in scoring chances against.
I'd be curious to know what their shot through % against is. I know they don't block a ton of shots (2nd to last in the league) but you can still be good defensively without doing that. Carolina is actually last in the league in blocked shots, but they do a good job of forcing shooters to the outside and limiting shots from the slot which Buffalo doesn't do.
It would probably be their lack of ability to defend on the rush and the number of odd-man chances they give up per game that has an influence there. They are league worst in both and have been for some time.
Matt Ress
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Hey I agree and I think the smart route is to sign a real NHL starting goaltender so as to not handcuff yourself to Levi next season. I've said it before. That gives us options. Don't believe that because I mentioned it as a possibility that I want it to happen.
Originally I mentioned it as a best case scenario in regards to adams being cheap, which is ridiculous. Then the slow cook police showed up to teach me about how players develop.
It's really the mob mentality that makes us all more dumb. If you disagree with the consensus, you don't know what you're talking about. This wasn't aimed at you. Quite the opposite actually and I get your points and agree completely about the best path.
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