Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[RefsIdeas]

It's interesting that their shot attempts against per game is actually pretty good at 10th in the league, but they are 28th in scoring chances against.

I'd be curious to know what their shot through % against is. I know they don't block a ton of shots (2nd to last in the league) but you can still be good defensively without doing that. Carolina is actually last in the league in blocked shots, but they do a good job of forcing shooters to the outside and limiting shots from the slot which Buffalo doesn't do.

 

[Zman5778]

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That's gotta be an edict from the coaching staff to let the goalies see the puck.

Because what they can see they can stop, right???? RIGHT???????


Either that or the shots against are of such quality that we really don't have a chance to block them...........

God we're awful defensively.

 

[RefsIdeas]

That's gotta be an edict from the coaching staff to let the goalies see the puck.

Because what they can see they can stop, right???? RIGHT???????


Either that or the shots against are of such quality that we really don't have a chance to block them...........

God we're awful defensively.

There's a stat for that too!

 

[thomas vanek]

The challenge is that Adams needs to make roster decisions before camp is over.

This off season, he has to make decisions before Levi shows up to camp.

What if Adams banks on Levi being the Sabres #1 next season and by the end of camp it is obvious that he isn't ready for that and he needs starts in the AHL to properly develop?

Then the Sabres are stuck with whatever NHL backup and AHL starter (likely UPL & Comrie) that they have on the roster because they didn't do much in the off season by putting all their eggs in the Levi basket.

The downside of betting on Levi this summer is much larger than betting on Levi needing time in the AHL.

the tandem next year will be Levi 1A and a Varlamov/Andersen type 1B. If Levi shows he's not ready (he will be) the other guy will be good enough to manage the load. Anyone still thinking Levi spends even one day in Rochester needs to accept the new reality.

 

[Dirty Dog]

There's a stat for that too! View attachment 682163

What CANT jfresh measure!!!

 

[Jim Bob]

the tandem next year will be Levi 1A and a Varlamov/Andersen type 1B. If Levi shows he's not ready (he will be) the other guy will be good enough to manage the load. Anyone still thinking Levi spends even one day in Rochester needs to accept the new reality.

People felt like Spencer Knight was too good for the AHL after his NHL debut after leaving BC. Things changed once the sample size became larger and other teams got a book on Knight.

I know all the "but Levi's different!" talk is real. But, I think planning on your guy being a unicorn is not the smart path forward.

I would take the approach that the Stars took with Jake Oettinger and give Levi time in Rochester and make him force you to play him. And trying to develop a goalie like Levi that needs starts as a backup in the NHL is not a great plan for success, IMO.

Levi needs starts after playing only 66 games in college over the past three seasons.

Oettinger played over 100 games at BU. Knight played 54 games at BC. Swayman played 100 games at Maine. Hart played 190 regular season games and 49 playoff games in Everett (WHL). Wolf played 149 regular season games and 11 playoff games in Everett (WHL) before playing over 100 regular season and 13 playoff games in the AHL to date.

Goalies need games.

 

[Gabrielor]

Thread from Novikov thread, should be discussed here (See 2/5):



This logic fits. It should, however, NOT prevent Adams from shorter term deals to make the team better now. Furthermore, there's no patience model available to fix the defense. That'll have to be through trade or FA, preferably the former.

 

[Chainshot]

Thread from Novikov thread, should be discussed here (See 2/5):



This logic fits. It should, however, NOT prevent Adams from shorter term deals to make the team better now. Furthermore, there's no patience model available to fix the defense. That'll have to be through trade or FA, preferably the former.

It's a bit further back in this thread ( @BuffaloGooner popped it in back about 10 pages) but it makes sense that they're still trying to put it together. With Kisakov already in Rochester, I wonder if they can get Novikov over too and start getting him reps soon. He's got a very mature game for his age.

 

[Gabrielor]

It's a bit further back in this thread ( @BuffaloGooner popped it in back about 10 pages) but it makes sense that they're still trying to put it together. With Kisakov already in Rochester, I wonder if they can get Novikov over too and start getting him reps soon. He's got a very mature game for his age.

I'm more on the "He’s going to be very calculated when making the additions the next 2 seasons. Thinking 3-5 years down the line." part.

That doesn't bode well for folks like me who want Adams to improve the team using internal AND external means...

 

[Chainshot]

I'm more on the "He’s going to be very calculated when making the additions the next 2 seasons. Thinking 3-5 years down the line." part.

That doesn't bode well for folks like me who want Adams to improve the team using internal AND external means...

It's probably going to be harder on people who want them to churn a quarter of the roster going into next season instead of just a couple of pieces. 1 defenseman, 1 forward, and 1 goalie from outside sources was what I was looking at prior to Levi's signing and I'm still of that mind - 1 D, 1 F, and now maybe 1 G.

 

[Dingo44]

Even with Adams not being prone to making big changes, these are the players I can say realistically aren't penciled in as starters next year:

F: Olofsson, Okposo (UFA), Hinostroza (UFA), Jost (RFA - but probably qualified), Girgensons (UFA but I bet resigns)
D: Clague (RFA), Bryson, Pilut (UFA)
G: Anderson (UFA, retiring)

Not sure who Adams would move in a trade from the starting lineup other than Olofsson, maybe Joki, and either Comrie or UPL.

But maybe he surprises us.

 

[Gabrielor]

It's probably going to be harder on people who want them to churn a quarter of the roster going into next season instead of just a couple of pieces. 1 defenseman, 1 forward, and 1 goalie from outside sources was what I was looking at prior to Levi's signing and I'm still of that mind - 1 D, 1 F, and now maybe 1 G.

I'm quality over quantity. (THIS IS AN EXAMPLE; DO NOT RUN AWAY WITH THE NAMES I USE. NOT THE POINT)

skinner-tuch-thompson
peterka-cozens-quinn
mittelstadt-SOMEJOSTUPGRADE-kulich
greenway-krebs-girgensons
samuelsson-dahlin
power-KARLSSON
stillman-lyubushkin
HART
levi


That's 3 guys. It'll cost him. He should do it.

 

[Gabrielor]

Moreover to my above, I found this I made:

Again, the point isn't the names. Part your favorites. He needs to improve key locations (G1, 2RD, bottom 6 PK). I want him to go after guys who are at the top in those groups, not do more low buy on potential.

Get this core some playoff experience.

 

[TehDoak]

It's probably going to be harder on people who want them to churn a quarter of the roster going into next season instead of just a couple of pieces. 1 defenseman, 1 forward, and 1 goalie from outside sources was what I was looking at prior to Levi's signing and I'm still of that mind - 1 D, 1 F, and now maybe 1 G.

I mean, i think the problem will actually be Adams jettisoning the passengers.

Will be move Joker out? Olofsson?

He seems very "Regier-esque' in over valuing his own players. Is he going to take a loss on Olofsson, Jokiharju, and Bryson to make room for upgrades? Will he be willing to potential lose UPL or Comrie to waivers next year to add an upgrade in goal?

There has to be some very callous decision making this summer, something he hasn't really done any of.

 

[Jim Bob]

This was the youngest roster in the NHL this season.

They had 6 players that were 29+ on the roster this season. 4 of them are UFAs (Okposo, Girgensons, Hinostroza, & Anderson) with only Skinner and Lyubushkin under contract for next season.

If they are expecting to be a playoff team, they need to add some vets and not just replace from within. Especially since Tuch & Jost are the only players under team control that have played in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

 

[debaser66]

I mean, if you mean the season was going to be torpedoed by bad goaltending, poor penalty kill, and lack of quality defensive depth, then yeah. The only real shocking thing this year was Thompson taking a huge step beyond what he did last year, which has taken us from a .500 team to a team on the outer edges of the playoffs. Most people thought Dahlin and Cozens would take the next steps.



When literally every other team will give their young goalies a full season of AHL time unless there are circumstances out of their control, it's almost like there is a REASON for it.

With forwards, and to a lesser extent, d-men, you can hide them a bit. Higher O-zone deploys, put them in situations to succeed. With goalies, the only way of bringing them along slowly would be to pick good spots for them to start, which would limit their play time. Which is why its generally accepted that goalies get time in the minors and get the lions share of ice time and let them learn to manage the higher game load and more compact schedule.

didn't they ?

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

It's probably going to be harder on people who want them to churn a quarter of the roster going into next season instead of just a couple of pieces. 1 defenseman, 1 forward, and 1 goalie from outside sources was what I was looking at prior to Levi's signing and I'm still of that mind - 1 D, 1 F, and now maybe 1 G.

I'd be very curious to know how Adams envisions the team in that 3 - 5 year window. With some of the kids he's high on, there must be some roster players he doesn't see as long term pieces already. We can assume who those pieces are based on how we as fans view them, but I'd definitely love to know how Adams views them. Players like Olofsson and Okposo are a given, but how does he view ones like Bryson, Joker, Mittelstadt, Jost etc is what I'd like to know.

 

[debaser66]

I mean, i think the problem will actually be Adams jettisoning the passengers.

Will be move Joker out? Olofsson?

He seems very "Regier-esque' in over valuing his own players. Is he going to take a loss on Olofsson, Jokiharju, and Bryson to make room for upgrades? Will he be willing to potential lose UPL or Comrie to waivers next year to add an upgrade in goal?

There has to be some very callous decision making this summer, something he hasn't really done any of.

my guess is it will be just VO, he is already fallen out of favor. not just with us.
if they add a top4 D they probably going to move a piece, I hope its Joker.
it would be not a vote of confidence if both of them are still on the roster next camp.

 

[Chainshot]

I'd be very curious to know how Adams envisions the team in that 3 - 5 year window. With some of the kids he's high on, there must be some roster players he doesn't see as long term pieces already. We can assume who those pieces are based on how we as fans view them, but I'd definitely love to know how Adams views them. Players like Olofsson and Okposo are a given, but how does he view ones like Bryson, Joker, Mittelstadt, Jost etc is what I'd like to know.

I'm curious how he sees someone like Skinner.

 

[Diaspora]

I'm curious how he sees someone like Skinner.

As bad as that contract looked a couple of years ago, he's been a huge contributor to the team on and off the ice. It would be a completely different situation without him here. Like, not nearly as good.

You know he's got to enter a decline in a couple of years. I can't imagine the contract will ever be movable. KA would be smart to be planning for a buyout come '25 or '26. But he has a roster spot until someone pushes him out. If he doesn't lose too much agility, he might play out the full term.

 

[Chainshot]

As bad as that contract looked a couple of years ago, he's been a huge contributor to the team on and off the ice. It would be a completely different situation without him here. Like, not nearly as good.

You know he's got to enter a decline in a couple of years. I can't imagine the contract will ever be movable. KA would be smart to be planning for a buyout come '25 or '26. But he has a roster spot until someone pushes him out. If he doesn't lose too much agility, he might play out the full term.

With the renaissance under Don, I think 2 more years and then look at harder decisions. They have some guys coming who might be ready to step into that 30-30 tenacious winger role by then.

 

[The Blunder Years]

Anyone else think that the off-season moves are crystal clear?

1. Sign/trade for a 4 d pairing for Power
2. Sign/trade for a tenacious, defensively
responsible top 9 forward
3. Sign/trade for a short term proven starting goalie
4. Resign Girgs
5. Move on from Joker, Olofsson, Bryson, and one of Comrie/UPL. Use them in points #1-3.
6. Explore possibility of new assistant coaches, PK and PP specialists.

Skinner-Tage-Tuch
Quinn-Cozens-Peterka
Kulich/(#2)-Mitts-Savoie/(#2)
Girgs-Krebs-Rousek

Sams-Dahlin
Power-(#1)
Stillman-Boosh
Johnson/Depth

(#3)
Levi

One of Comrie/UPL in Rochester if Levi starts on the Sabres

 

[Dingo44]

Anyone else think that the off-season moves are crystal clear?

1. Sign/trade for a 4 d pairing for Power
2. Sign/trade for a tenacious, defensively
responsible top 9 forward
3. Sign/trade for a short term proven starting goalie
4. Resign Girgs
5. Move on from Joker, Olofsson, Bryson, and one of Comrie/UPL. Use them in points #1-3.
6. Explore possibility of new assistant coaches, PK and PP specialists.

Skinner-Tage-Tuch
Quinn-Cozens-Peterka
Kulich/(#2)-Mitts-Savoie/(#2)
Girgs-Krebs-Rousek

Sams-Dahlin
Power-(#1)
Stillman-Boosh
Johnson/Depth

(#3)
Levi

One of Comrie/UPL in Rochester if Levi starts on the Sabres

Like it. See about the same thing. I'd be happy with this depending on who they bring in.

 

[Husko]

Impact forward, top 4 dman, capable goalie. The wish list should be straightforward and attainable. Will they acquire any of the 3? I have my doubts.

 

[Diaspora]

Anyone else think that the off-season moves are crystal clear?

1. Sign/trade for a 4 d pairing for Power
2. Sign/trade for a tenacious, defensively
responsible top 9 forward
3. Sign/trade for a short term proven starting goalie
4. Resign Girgs
5. Move on from Joker, Olofsson, Bryson, and one of Comrie/UPL. Use them in points #1-3.
6. Explore possibility of new assistant coaches, PK and PP specialists.

Skinner-Tage-Tuch
Quinn-Cozens-Peterka
Kulich/(#2)-Mitts-Savoie/(#2)
Girgs-Krebs-Rousek

Sams-Dahlin
Power-(#1)
Stillman-Boosh
Johnson/Depth

(#3)
Levi

One of Comrie/UPL in Rochester if Levi starts on the Sabres

I think we need an NHL-capable G3 in Rochester, just in case. I'd prefer a guy who's young enough to avoid waivers. UPL would get claimed if it's early in the season. Comrie might not (because of his cap hit).