Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

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TehDoak

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Kulich should be already in nhl few months ago. At least he would be anywhere else except Boston. He is clearly ready.


No he wouldn't

He's having a great rookie season for the Amerks.

There is absolutely zero reason he can't start in the AHL next year.

He is listed at 5'11'', 170. He can soak up big minutes, put on some muscle, and refine his game in Rochester. There's no urgency here, we have plenty of scoring forwards. He'd be a healthy scratch/fighting for ice time in Buffalo.
 

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No he wouldn't

He's having a great rookie season for the Amerks.

There is absolutely zero reason he can't start in the AHL next year.

He is listed at 5'11'', 170. He can soak up big minutes, put on some muscle, and refine his game in Rochester. There's no urgency here, we have plenty of scoring forwards. He'd be a healthy scratch/fighting for ice time in Buffalo.
??? He is 6'0" 180 lbs what data are you using his pre-draft data? His physique is absolutely fine.
 
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Both have him listed at 5'11'' and 170.

The 5-foot-11, 178-pound native of Kadan, Czechia was ranked 13th by NHL Central Scouting among European-based skaters.

I wonder if the 5'11" 178 is what he measured in at at the combine?
 
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I mean, in the end, it doesn't matter. He can add more to his frame even if he is 180 lb right now. He's having a great season for an AHL rookie. There's zero reason to rush him at this point.
I agree in there being no reason to rush him.

But, I also know that public measurables are pretty worthless, especially when it comes to young guys that are still developing physically.
 
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I still come back to focusing on a summer where they look at three things - 1 upgrade for Jokiharju in the top 4D, 1 top 9 forward with quality defensive chops, and a goalie.

With teams probably butting up against the cap, the Bruins might be a fertile field for defensive help since Clifton is UFA though kicking tires on Carlo should be in order (I still think it's Grzelcyk that gets the boot first since he's been rotated out with the rental of Orlov). LA has their sea of RD prospects and might be in the mood to move Arvidsson or more preferable to my shopping list - Iafallo. I'd be curious if they could get Spence or Roy instead of the usual offers of Durzi (who is a 1-way offensive guy) or Walker who is IMO not a defensive improvement over Jokiharju. Roy is a PK stalwart but the downside is he's 1 year from UFA.

If they are looking to recycle another old cast-off, Compher has admirably punched above his history by filling in for Kadri's departure and is also the leading PK FO winner in the league right now. The Avs might also have a pinch in their cap space as Mac's extension kicks in and they lose the value his contract used to provide.
 

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Pushing Kulichs elc from kicking in another year or two wouldn't be the worst thing.

Just depends how hard the kid pushes the envelope to make the jump

I'm of a mind that it could be an either/or for those two. Some of it will be how they play here in the spring - is the momentum of Kulich's development carried into the AHL playoffs? Does Savoie key the Ice to a WHL Final and a Memorial Cup run? He's accelerated his development in the later 2/3rds of the WHL season as a complete player. I still give Savoie the edge even though they are in different leagues.

If Vic is out and say Hino moves on, they could use one mid-6 forward who has defensive chops and that leaves one open forward spot. I'm of a mind that Okposo is back but more as the 12/13 but back to provide the off-ice stuff and practice stuff but with fewer games since the legs seem very much worn down since fall.
 

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I'm of a mind that it could be an either/or for those two. Some of it will be how they play here in the spring - is the momentum of Kulich's development carried into the AHL playoffs? Does Savoie key the Ice to a WHL Final and a Memorial Cup run? He's accelerated his development in the later 2/3rds of the WHL season as a complete player. I still give Savoie the edge even though they are in different leagues.

If Vic is out and say Hino moves on, they could use one mid-6 forward who has defensive chops and that leaves one open forward spot. I'm of a mind that Okposo is back but more as the 12/13 but back to provide the off-ice stuff and practice stuff but with fewer games since the legs seem very much worn down since fall.

Tuch - Thompson - Skinner
Quinn - Cozens - JJ
Mitts - Compher - Savoie
Zemgus - Krebs - Greenway
Okposo (extra)

On farm: Kulich, Rosen, Rousek, Weissbach, Murray, Kozak, Kisakov

Compher is also a top 5 shutdown center according to an article in The Athletic today:


J.T. Compher will be a surprising name to many but the closer you watch him, the more you appreciate the details of his game. The 27-year-old pending UFA is speedy and offers a nonstop motor which makes him very disruptive both on the forecheck and stealing pucks on the backcheck. Compher has been on the ice for fewer than 2.00 goals against per hour in four consecutive seasons. Typically that’s been in a third-line role, but Nazem Kadri’s departure has forced Compher into a more prominent role. He’s been successful navigating the higher minutes (averaging 20:23 per game) and tougher matchups (playing the most minutes against elite competition of any Avs forward besides Nathan MacKinnon according to PuckIQ), authoring a breakout performance where he’s not only maintained his excellent defensive numbers, but also chipped in with a career-high 50 points.

Only problem is he's 27 and will probably get a seven or eight year deal somewhere if he wants it. I'd love him but not sure he fits. Again call me crazy but I see Krebs moving up and Kozak being our fourth line defensive stud in a couple of years. Kid is built different.

Also interesting in that article:

There was a long stretch where the GREEF line with [Joel Eriksson Ek,] Marcus Foligno and Jordan Greenway (who was dealt at the deadline) on his flanks was arguably the best defensive line in all of hockey. That trio dominated all the underlying numbers and controlled nearly 70 percent of goals scored while surrendering just 1.48 goals against per hour over the last three seasons.
 

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Tuch - Thompson - Skinner
Quinn - Cozens - JJ
Mitts - Compher - Savoie
Zemgus - Krebs - Greenway
Okposo (extra)

On farm: Kulich, Rosen, Rousek, Weissbach, Murray, Kozak, Kisakov

Compher is also a top 5 shutdown center according to an article in The Athletic today:




Only problem is he's 27 and will probably get a seven or eight year deal somewhere if he wants it. I'd love him but not sure he fits. Again call me crazy but I see Krebs moving up and Kozak being our fourth line defensive stud in a couple of years. Kid is built different.

Also interesting in that article:

I mentioned Compher above as a possible guy - his FO wins on the PK are what I was looking at to go with his solid defensive chops.

As for the bit about GREEF being so good defensively, yes, they were. There is a reason Foligno got some Selke votes a few years ago, as some writers recognized him as a very good defensive player. We know JEE is a jerk and hard to play against - think back to him and Eichel having the fight because Ek wouldn't give him any space. He's only gotten better at that.
 
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I mentioned Compher above as a possible guy - his FO wins on the PK are what I was looking at to go with his solid defensive chops.

As for the bit about GREEF being so good defensively, yes, they were. There is a reason Foligno got some Selke votes a few years ago, as some writers recognized him as a very good defensive player. We know JEE is a jerk and hard to play against - think back to him and Eichel having the fight because Ek wouldn't give him any space. He's only gotten better at that.

I'm just thinking Greenway wants to play higher up in the lineup apparently but we can keep going four unlabeled lines. It's not like a Gus - Krebs - Greenway line wouldn't get a ton of ice time and in a lot of situations, and they can also score on their own. If I was playing on a line like that I'd have a blast.
 

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I'm just thinking Greenway wants to play higher up in the lineup apparently but we can keep going four unlabeled lines. It's not like a Gus - Krebs - Greenway line wouldn't get a ton of ice time and in a lot of situations, and they can also score on their own. If I was playing on a line like that I'd have a blast.

I find it interesting that Okposo is 6th in TOI/game (both ES and overall), so that if his TOI scales down, there will be minutes there for Greenway IMO.
 

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I mentioned Compher above as a possible guy - his FO wins on the PK are what I was looking at to go with his solid defensive chops.

As for the bit about GREEF being so good defensively, yes, they were. There is a reason Foligno got some Selke votes a few years ago, as some writers recognized him as a very good defensive player. We know JEE is a jerk and hard to play against - think back to him and Eichel having the fight because Ek wouldn't give him any space. He's only gotten better at that.
I’d gladly pay sick assets for a #1 pk center that plays higher in the lineup than the 4th line.
 
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I’d gladly pay sick assets for a #1 pk center that plays higher in the lineup than the 4th line.

The issue you run into rather quickly is the Krebs problem.

He's being groomed for that role right now.

Utility wise, a 4th liner who can play on your top PK and is good at faceoffs is MUCH less expensive than a middle 6C who can do that and contribute some offensively, both asset wise and actual dollar cost wise.

In your ideal world, you DO want a middle six C and 4th line C who can help the PK, and put out there for the big defensive draws and matchup against the top line. The hope is that one of Cozens/Krebs will morph into that middle six C role.
 

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Kulich isnt even a lock for next year. He might be up and down. We need to deal Olofsson and open up a spot first and for most
 

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I mentioned Compher above as a possible guy - his FO wins on the PK are what I was looking at to go with his solid defensive chops.

As for the bit about GREEF being so good defensively, yes, they were. There is a reason Foligno got some Selke votes a few years ago, as some writers recognized him as a very good defensive player. We know JEE is a jerk and hard to play against - think back to him and Eichel having the fight because Ek wouldn't give him any space. He's only gotten better at that.
What about a guy like Coyle?

Boston is in a world of cap hurt this offseason, and Coyle's cap hit is 5.25 I think, but he only makes 4.5 actual cash for the next three seasons.

He's a top penalty killer for the Bruins, and is very difficult to play against.

8 team NTC unfortunately, so there may be a good chance Buffalo is on that list, but there is a good chance the Bruins will be looking to move him and I doubt there will be much of a bidding war (unless he has an outstanding postseason, which may very well happen).

The UFA class this year is god awful, (Gus looks like a spring chicken on that list), which makes me think even Compher may get pretty overpaid.

For what it is worth, I would much rather have a guy like Coyle around for 3 years with his pysical play than a guy like Compher signed for 4+ (which he may be looking for to sign as a UFA).
 

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The issue you run into rather quickly is the Krebs problem.

He's being groomed for that role right now.

Utility wise, a 4th liner who can play on your top PK and is good at faceoffs is MUCH less expensive than a middle 6C who can do that and contribute some offensively, both asset wise and actual dollar cost wise.

In your ideal world, you DO want a middle six C and 4th line C who can help the PK, and put out there for the big defensive draws and matchup against the top line. The hope is that one of Cozens/Krebs will morph into that middle six C role.
manufactured problems are only problems to people who manufacture them

4 pk forward slots +2 subs, there are only manufactured krebs problems not real krebs problems

actual problems, we have too many players being groomed for roles and not enough roles filled
 
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