Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[mm11]

Seems like trading him … just because. There’s no recovering his 35G on the roster. Similar to when Eberle was resigned fans crapped him all day long, but no one had an answer to making up his 25G per season. Lou did, he signed Palms, which again was/is crapped on too.

good point on Nelson, check this out, wow, I did a double take, it took Brock nelson 10 years to break the 60 point mark. Wonder how good #13 will be when he gets to that point.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

Brock Nelson was born in October 1991.

Which means his 33rd birthday will be celebrated in October 2024, not his 34th that peeps on here keep saying...

Of course he will also be beginning a season in what will be the final year of his contract- and I haven't heard anyone clamoring to re-sign him when he will in fact be 34 on his NEW contract...

Again, if the argument is whether he should be traded then that can easily be argued is the way we should go, but you could also add many other players to this debate (Barzal, Pulock and even Sorokin)....

BUT the bottom line is Lou and the Islanders have GIVEN ZERO INDICATION they are looking to do so. As a matter of fact they keep proclaiming the OPPOSITE and if that same direction is the way they are going and this team still struggles to score as well as struggle on the power play then trading your most consistent scorer in both of those areas over the last 2 seasons is not the way to go.

We are not even talking about the other areas it would hurt us, specifically on the PK and in the circle if Barzal is forced to line up more there. Brock may be only a 48% career guy in face-offs, but that is still considerably better than Matty (42.3%).

Brock isn't getting moved as long as Lou has that same mentaility.

So even proposing it seems pretty much a waste of time to me..

 

[periferal]

Balls. Bailey and maybe even Cizikas/Pageau.

Pageau for his role and production is overpaid and now that we have Horvat he’s even less important. I love Pageau but you can today a guy like a middle six center that only wins face offs.

I agree with you, but what are you saying? That Pageau is expendable? That's fine, but since we all know he's "overpaid" what other team is trading something of value for him (if anything at all)?

 

[Throttle]

good point on Nelson, check this out, wow, I did a double take, it took Brock nelson 10 years to break the 60 point mark. Wonder how good #13 will be when he gets to that point.

Lou paid Nelson as a 55PT fwd as a 27yr old to a 6/36 and Nelson self improved w/o never ending excuses he needed help into a 35Ger under that deal. Do you really wanna double take on #13’s self improvement and cap/pay?

 

[SI]

Here is a conversation starter as we approach the NHL draft.

If the Hayes to the Blues deal completely falls thru, then what about Nelson for 10th OA pick?

At the 10 OA the Isles can potentially draft one of - Michkov, OMoore, Dvorsky, Danielson, Barlow, Yager, Leonard, or Benson.

The Blues are built for now - they do have 2 other 1st rounders and they get their O'Reilly replacement

 

[leeroggy]

I agree with you, but what are you saying? That Pageau is expendable? That's fine, but since we all know he's "overpaid" what other team is trading something of value for him (if anything at all)?

WE think he is overpaid, but it only takes one GM to disagree with us . . . WE thought Griffin Reinhart wasn't living up to his draft status , , , but SOMEONE ELSE did . . .

Just like being chased by a bear . . . you don't have to outrun the bear, just the other guy he's chasing!

 

[NC 1972]

We’re mediocre with him. Time to trade him for assets and rebuild the team over the next 2-3 years.

I understand the sentiment, and I’m reminded of Ralp Kinner the Pittsburgh slugger who ask for a raise after hitting I don’t know forty some odd homer’s and the owner said we finished in last with you we can finish in last without you. So yes I get it tough decisions to be made but that’s why Lou gets the big bucks!

 

[SI90]

Here is a conversation starter as we approach the NHL draft.

If the Hayes to the Blues deal completely falls thru, then what about Nelson for 10th OA pick?

At the 10 OA the Isles can potentially draft one of - Michkov, OMoore, Dvorsky, Danielson, Barlow, Yager, Leonard, or Benson.

The Blues are built for now - they do have 2 other 1st rounders and they get their O'Reilly replacement

If we trade Nelson then we might as well trade everyone over 30, tear it down and rebuild. He’s our best/most consistent goal scorer.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

If we trade Nelson then we might as well trade everyone over 30, tear it down and rebuild. He’s our best/most consistent goal scorer.

The Blues are built for now?

 

[SI90]

The Blues are built for now?

Yes

 

[doublechili]

Brock Nelson was born in October 1991.

Which means his 33rd birthday will be celebrated in October 2024, not his 34th that peeps on here keep saying...

Of course he will also be beginning a season in what will be the final year of his contract- and I haven't heard anyone clamoring to re-sign him when he will in fact be 34 on his NEW contract...

Again, if the argument is whether he should be traded then that can easily be argued is the way we should go, but you could also add many other players to this debate (Barzal, Pulock and even Sorokin)....

BUT the bottom line is Lou and the Islanders have GIVEN ZERO INDICATION they are looking to do so. As a matter of fact they keep proclaiming the OPPOSITE and if that same direction is the way they are going and this team still struggles to score as well as struggle on the power play then trading your most consistent scorer in both of those areas over the last 2 seasons is not the way to go.

We are not even talking about the other areas it would hurt us, specifically on the PK and in the circle if Barzal is forced to line up more there. Brock may be only a 48% career guy in face-offs, but that is still considerably better than Matty (42.3%).

Brock isn't getting moved as long as Lou has that same mentaility.

So even proposing it seems pretty much a waste of time to me..

Just replying re: the year confusion. I think there was a typo in someone's post with 2024. We were talking about how old Nelson will be when his new contract starts, and that will be in 2025 when Nelson turns 34 in October.

 

[duster19]

Here is a conversation starter as we approach the NHL draft.

If the Hayes to the Blues deal completely falls thru, then what about Nelson for 10th OA pick?

At the 10 OA the Isles can potentially draft one of - Michkov, OMoore, Dvorsky, Danielson, Barlow, Yager, Leonard, or Benson.

The Blues are built for now - they do have 2 other 1st rounders and they get their O'Reilly replacement

I’d want more than a 10th OA for Nelson. If Lou starts shopping Nelson there will be a lineup. He is on a great contract and can play both ends of the ice. I would say he is one of our most valued assets. Isles are supposedly built to win now too..

 

[doublechili]

Of all the stuff that's going to happen this week in the NHL, how the Erik Karlsson situation shakes out might be the most interesting thing. He wants to play for a contender, but what contender can afford him without massive retention? Even a team with some space like BUF would have to be careful since they have young studs they'll need to pay in the next year or two. I was thinking maybe CAR, but then they're looking at TDA supposedly. Anyway, curious to see how that goes. Someone will make it work.

 

[Throttle]

I’d want more than a 10th OA for Nelson. If Lou starts shopping Nelson there will be a lineup. He is on a great contract and can play both ends of the ice. I would say he is one of our most valued assets. Isles are supposedly built to win now too..

The organization wants to compete, trading Nelson goes against that belief. Whether it’s Lou or someone else, the mandate from ownership is to compete. Fans can kick and screw all day long, just don’t spend your money and eventually it will have an impact (except ownership has very strategically sold boxes/suites on the combination of hockey and music/events, which reduces the reliance on the ‘fan’).

 

[Throttle]

Of all the stuff that's going to happen this week in the NHL, how the Erik Karlsson situation shakes out might be the most interesting thing. He wants to play for a contender, but what contender can afford him without massive retention? Even a team with some space like BUF would have to be careful since they have young studs they'll need to pay in the next year or two. I was thinking maybe CAR, but then they're looking at TDA supposedly. Anyway, curious to see how that goes. Someone will make it work.

BUF needs to play defense to advance, I’ll wait to see how their offseason goes, but I see them having a hard time breaking that playoff ceiling - too many guys had great offensive seasons, they don’t play defense and their defense after the top 3 is meh, and goaltending is a rookie and a guy that got torched. If anything, they should sign Mayfield.

Karlsson is intriguing, I’m all for the Isles making the move for him, why not? He would continue to change/enhance the franchise.

I don’t see how SJ gets any value for a guy that wants out, his cap hit is way too high, and he’s an injury risk.

 

[PK Cronin]

Here is a conversation starter as we approach the NHL draft.

If the Hayes to the Blues deal completely falls thru, then what about Nelson for 10th OA pick?

At the 10 OA the Isles can potentially draft one of - Michkov, OMoore, Dvorsky, Danielson, Barlow, Yager, Leonard, or Benson.

The Blues are built for now - they do have 2 other 1st rounders and they get their O'Reilly replacement

That's a very underwhelming return for a player like Nelson. There would need to be an add and a significant one.

 

[SRBisles]

That's a very underwhelming return for a player like Nelson. There would need to be an add and a significant one.

Agreed, if we move Nelson I’d want a mid first and a good young player like Rossi or Newhook.

 

[duster19]

Agreed, if we move Nelson I’d want a mid first and a good young player like Rossi or Newhook.

Horvat on an expiring deal got a pick, a good prospect, and a young player. I would expect a trade for Nelson would start at this price.

 

[MJF]

Here is a conversation starter as we approach the NHL draft.

If the Hayes to the Blues deal completely falls thru, then what about Nelson for 10th OA pick?

At the 10 OA the Isles can potentially draft one of - Michkov, OMoore, Dvorsky, Danielson, Barlow, Yager, Leonard, or Benson.

The Blues are built for now - they do have 2 other 1st rounders and they get their O'Reilly replacement

10OA would be the starting point in those trade talks.

Agreed, if we move Nelson I’d want a mid first and a good young player like Rossi or Newhook.

That plus a top Blues pick in the 2024 draft.

 

[mm11]

Lou paid Nelson as a 55PT fwd as a 27yr old to a 6/36 and Nelson self improved w/o never ending excuses he needed help into a 35Ger under that deal. Do you really wanna double take on #13’s self improvement and cap/pay?

Barzal is going to be good value soon enough, especially with the cap going up eventually. Value your persistence, though. Did #13 not autograph your hockey card one day?

 

[SRBisles]

 

[Throttle]

Barzal is going to be good value soon enough, especially with the cap going up eventually. Value your persistence, though. Did #13 not autograph your hockey card one day?

We’ll keep waiting for that value, moving goalposts to find it now - ‘the cap going up’ is the reason for the value…

Not many 60pt centers in the Top 50 players in the league by cap hit - the Isles are so lucky have the only one.

That would be hilarious, a perennial loser finally gets onto a contender and they are regretting signing him, so now he’s a cap dump to Chicago, that’s going for lotto land repeat in 23/24. Magical.

 

[SRBisles]

Nick Foligno going to Chicago too. Bruins just cleared 9.8 million off their cap in one move. Unreal

 

[Glorydays22]

All these talks while interesting mean nothing. Lou has stated over, and over and over he believes in the "Core". Whether is the right time to move Nelson, Pageau, Casey or Parms. He's NOT doing it! It's just a waste of breathe talking about it.

Since he believes in the "Core" we need to figure out what pieces from teams looking to dump players would help us at a reasonable price. I see all these deals "cap dumps" being made. Where is Lou?

Hall - Boston
Carlo - Boston
D'Angelo - Phily

Calgary and Nashville are in cap dump mode. What can we get from them cheap? Reports Calgary will not resign Toffoli, Mangiapane would like nice too. Don't even mind Zadorov if he was real cheap

What about TB? They have less than a 1M in cap space and only have 17 players signed - that leaves 6 more spots that they need to fit. A guy like ColtonRoss, they won't be able to sign

Right now, Lou is going to ride out this team for 2 more years. That's when Nelson, Parms, Martin, Clutter are off the books. And 1 year left with Lee, Johnson and Pageau.

 

[duster19]

Nick Foligno going to Chicago too. Bruins just cleared 9.8 million off their cap in one move. Unreal

Bit better deal then Bailey…