Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[mm11]

That future don’t look so bright based on the present.

Hey brother. How is the weather up on long island? I remember summers used to be great. Looking forward to reading your posts late September early October. Thanks for sharing your consistency.

 

[The Real JT]

This is the difference between talking about trading Nelson from a personnel standpoint and talking about trading Nelson from an ideological one.

Hogwash.

Interesting word origin for hogwash. Its meaning is not far off from poppycock.

 

[seafoam]

 

[CupHolders]

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Interesting word origin for hogwash. Its meaning is not far off from poppycock.

Hmmm... Poppycock vs. Hogwash? Add an extra third and I make that trade.

 

[xECK29x]

Get your shit together Briere, we want trades

 

[MYIslanders]

Why does everyone want to trade Nelson? There’s a reason he would return a haul…he’s arguably our best player out of the net…everyone wants to complain that we don’t score goals but then want to trade our best and most consistent goal scorer…because we got horvat? Probably the same people who complained that horvat disappeared at the end of the season…

 

[seafoam]

Why does everyone want to trade Nelson? There’s a reason he would return a haul…he’s arguably our best player out of the net…everyone wants to complain that we don’t score goals but then want to trade our best and most consistent goal scorer…because we got horvat? Probably the same people who complained that horvat disappeared at the end of the season…

I think there are two trains of thought.

a.) with acquiring Horvat, there is a surplus of centers on the team. Nelson could return an asset that could help this team today and/or tomorrow. tl;dr re-arrange the chairs on the deck

b.) this team is not winning a Cup in the next two years, so trade Nelson while his value is arguably at the highest it’s ever been instead of letting him walk as a 33 year old or re-signing him to another deal that will take him to retirement. tl:dr cash in

We’ve seen players play into their late 30’s at a high level (Pavelski, Zuccarello, Perron, and obviously the Crosby/Ovechkin/Malkins), is Nelson going to be one of those guys or is he going to go by the ways of Andrew Ladd? Based on his playstyle and how he bloomed so late, my gut says he’ll continue to be effective for the next 5 or so years but again it comes down to what assets he could return now that will ultimately set the team up for longer term success.

Yes, you’re losing 30+ goals but if you don’t expect this team to win a Cup anyway then removing that production is moot.

 

[MJF]

b.) this team is not winning a Cup in the next two years, so trade Nelson while his value is arguably at the highest it’s ever been instead of letting him walk as a 33 year old or re-signing him to another deal that will take him to retirement. tl:dr cash in

Uh oh. You can't say this part out loud around here.

 

[leeroggy]

Looking at the looming disaster in Boston . . . Krejci likely retiring and who knows with Bergeron

Boston would be DESPERATE for pure centers

Something that would change our makeup . . .

Nelson, Cizikas, Aho and a B prospect for Debrusk, Coyle and Forbort

Forbort allows Bolduc another year to mature, We pick up a better option to play with Barzal in Debrusk and Coyle provides a great 3rd line winger with center coverage if needed. Forbort is off the books after this year.

Boston gets two NHL centers and cap relief of about $2,500,000, which we can handle with a Bailey buyout at worst.

Lee - Horvat - Palmieri
Debrusk - Barzal - Holmstrom
Coyle - Pageau - Engvall
Parise - Durandeau - Fasching/Clutter

Just another thought. Heck, we could even trade Pageau for futures and Coyle slides into 3C.

 

[seafoam]

Looking at the looming disaster in Boston . . . Krejci likely retiring and who knows with Bergeron

Boston would be DESPERATE for pure centers

Something that would change our makeup . . .

Nelson, Cizikas, Aho and a B prospect for Debrusk, Coyle and Forbort

Forbort allows Bolduc another year to mature, We pick up a better option to play with Barzal in Debrusk and Coyle provides a great 3rd line winger with center coverage if needed. Forbort is off the books after this year.

Boston gets two NHL centers and cap relief of about $2,500,000, which we can handle with a Bailey buyout at worst.

Lee - Horvat - Palmieri
Debrusk - Barzal - Holmstrom
Coyle - Pageau - Engvall
Parise - Durandeau - Fasching/Clutter

Just another thought. Heck, we could even trade Pageau for futures and Coyle slides into 3C.

That’s an incredible overpayment.

 

[Lame Lambert]

Uh oh. You can't say this part out loud around here.

But Jon Ledecky told me we’re built for the playoffs!

 

[MJF]

But Jon Ledecky told me we’re built for the playoffs!

Because Lou told him we’re built for the playoffs.

Of 2018.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

I think there are two trains of thought.

a.) with acquiring Horvat, there is a surplus of centers on the team. Nelson could return an asset that could help this team today and/or tomorrow. tl;dr re-arrange the chairs on the deck

b.) this team is not winning a Cup in the next two years, so trade Nelson while his value is arguably at the highest it’s ever been instead of letting him walk as a 33 year old or re-signing him to another deal that will take him to retirement. tl:dr cash in

Apparently, this is hogwash?

 

[WangMustGo]

Looking at the looming disaster in Boston . . . Krejci likely retiring and who knows with Bergeron

Boston would be DESPERATE for pure centers

Something that would change our makeup . . .

Nelson, Cizikas, Aho and a B prospect for Debrusk, Coyle and Forbort

Forbort allows Bolduc another year to mature, We pick up a better option to play with Barzal in Debrusk and Coyle provides a great 3rd line winger with center coverage if needed. Forbort is off the books after this year.

Boston gets two NHL centers and cap relief of about $2,500,000, which we can handle with a Bailey buyout at worst.

Lee - Horvat - Palmieri
Debrusk - Barzal - Holmstrom
Coyle - Pageau - Engvall
Parise - Durandeau - Fasching/Clutter

Just another thought. Heck, we could even trade Pageau for futures and Coyle slides into 3C.

Woof that is awful for us. If we are trading Nelson we better be getting a 1st back and a good young roster player.

 

[Skip To My Lou]

I'm stunned at the amount of people looking to trade Nelson. He's literally the only player who's been remotely consistent for the Islanders. I get it, he probably has a ton of value, but at the same time, this team gets 100x worse and even more mediocre than before.

 

[YearlyLottery]

I'm stunned at the amount of people looking to trade Nelson. He's literally the only player who's been remotely consistent for the Islanders. I get it, he probably has a ton of value, but at the same time, this team gets 100x worse and even more mediocre than before.

I think there is truth to "get worse before you get better." Lou needs to regain assets after gunning for it and not getting a Cup. Trading Nelson for youth or trading Barzal for a change in the core is the way to go.

 

[Skip To My Lou]

I think there is truth to "get worse before you get better." Lou needs to regain assets after gunning for it and not getting a Cup. Trading Nelson for youth or trading Barzal for a change in the core is the way to go.

I get it, I do. But as long as Lou is in charge, he's going to want to go for it. Trading Nelson will only lower the chances. The chances are already low, but they worsen once Nelson goes.

 

[SI]

Islanders aren't trading Nelson unless they are going full on rebuild/retool, but they are not. Nor are they acquiring Krug because of that godawful deal he is signed to. He is paid $8.5 for next season and the one after that, so please stop any idea of taking on that deal.

I'm 100% sure Lou is working hard on dealing Bailey and that he will get a deal of sorts done. It will be a bad deal for us, but I just hope to God he doesn't take that newfound cap space to spend on a 5 year extension for Mayfield and 3 years for Engvall. Knowing Lou, that is probably just what he will do and we are stuck in mud for the foreseeable future.

But for all of you hoping the Isles being active over the next week - don't hold your breath. They have little to nothing to work with and very few desirable players on good deals to tempt other teams with, and until the Bailey situation is sorted they can't do anything at all.

I think this is the most likely outcome. Bailey gets moved - it will hurt, Mayfield gets re-upped probably for longer term and less AAV and Engvall is resigned. The Mayfield resigning is tricky - Lou’s mindset is on some playoff winning hockey - there is a philosophy of getting big bodies on the blue line like Mayfield, that helps in the playoffs. It is why a player like Schenn, Gudbranson, Tinordi, Mikkola go for picks at the TDL. Lou subscribed to that Philosophy. If he does not resign Mayfield - then who replaces him and his 19 TOI a game?

It also begs the question - how much do the Isles like Bolduc? Do they see Bolduc as another long line Isles defenders who are drafted, develop in the AHL, and become solid NHL D? Is he a top 4? Is he more of a bottom pairing guy? Because if the Isles do, then signing a vet like Graves or a trade for Hanifin blocks him.

Engvall looked great. Most of us agree. I would rather spend that $ on something higher end or secure. Lou has never let anyone walk that he hasn’t traded for, so if they have the $ - he probably gets signed. I would prefer Barbashev- he can play anywhere and had the skill, speed, and snarl. I think he will get paid and mainly it will be term that will be shocking and probably turns Lou off.

The selling point or thinking process will be - Lane’s second year, Horvat and Engvall a training camp, Dobson gets stronger and takes another leap in development, Holmstrom and Wahlstrom secure themselves as clear NHL contributors, the development of Dufour and Ishkahov developing into NHL players sooner than later.

And again until this window closes the 2024 1st will be available for a SC run.

 

[MJF]

Apparently, this is hogwash?

talking about trading Nelson from an ideological one.

This is the hogwash.

I think this is the most likely outcome. Bailey gets moved - it will hurt, Mayfield gets re-upped probably for longer term and less AAV and Engvall is resigned. The Mayfield resigning is tricky - Lou’s mindset is on some playoff winning hockey - there is a philosophy of getting big bodies on the blue line like Mayfield, that helps in the playoffs. It is why a player like Schenn, Gudbranson, Tinordi, Mikkola go for picks at the TDL. Lou subscribed to that Philosophy. If he does not resign Mayfield - then who replaces him and his 19 TOI a game?

It also begs the question - how much do the Isles like Bolduc? Do they see Bolduc as another long line Isles defenders who are drafted, develop in the AHL, and become solid NHL D? Is he a top 4? Is he more of a bottom pairing guy? Because if the Isles do, then signing a vet like Graves or a trade for Hanifin blocks him.

Engvall looked great. Most of us agree. I would rather spend that $ on something higher end or secure. Lou has never let anyone walk that he hasn’t traded for, so if they have the $ - he probably gets signed. I would prefer Barbashev- he can play anywhere and had the skill, speed, and snarl. I think he will get paid and mainly it will be term that will be shocking and probably turns Lou off.

The selling point or thinking process will be - Lane’s second year, Horvat and Engvall a training camp, Dobson gets stronger and takes another leap in development, Holmstrom and Wahlstrom secure themselves as clear NHL contributors, the development of Dufour and Ishkahov developing into NHL players sooner than later.

And again until this window closes the 2024 1st will be available for a SC run.

At the moment Bolduc has raw tools for the offense. He will be given time to round out his whole game. I think he is viewed by management as top 4 and part of the power play.

 

[SI]

This is the hogwash.


At the moment Bolduc has raw tools for the offense. He will be given time to round out his whole game. I think he is viewed by management as top 4 and part of the power play.

That was my inclination as well making a deal for a top 4 LHD like Hanifin or Graves a not happening, which goes back to - how do you upgrade the blue line - sign someone on the RH side that is not Mayfield. Is that Dumba?

 

[Big L]

I think there are two trains of thought.

a.) with acquiring Horvat, there is a surplus of centers on the team. Nelson could return an asset that could help this team today and/or tomorrow. tl;dr re-arrange the chairs on the deck

b.) this team is not winning a Cup in the next two years, so trade Nelson while his value is arguably at the highest it’s ever been instead of letting him walk as a 33 year old or re-signing him to another deal that will take him to retirement. tl:dr cash in

there are 30, perhaps 31, teams that are not winning the cup in the next two years. and in case you were wondering, there are only 32 teams total in the league. not very good odds.

 

[MJF]

That was my inclination as well making a deal for a top 4 LHD like Hanifin or Graves a not happening, which goes back to - how do you upgrade the blue line - sign someone on the RH side that is not Mayfield. Is that Dumba?

I don't see Dumba taking a big paycut to play here.

I think you re-sign Mayfield if he can be brought in under $4M. Then, if Bolduc has a good camp, you pair him with Mayfield and keep Bolduc on the Island.

Otherwise we're looking for a placeholder who will be on a PTO or a cheap contract like a Troy Stecher or a Mark Pysyk. I'd rather give that ice time to Bolduc.

 

[IslesNorway]

I like Mayfield, but hockey is the only team sport that continuously hand out 4-5 year deals to players well into their 30s, and that's the last thing we need. If Mayfield is fine to re-up for 2 years, then that's perfect, but it won't happen. The roster needs to remain fluid and the more long terms deals are handed out, the more it cripples the GM.

Let Mayfield walk into UFA and see what he gets, same with Engvall. If they aren't getting what they hope for a la Klingberg last year, then offer 2 years and call it a day.

 

[dlawong]

there are 30, perhaps 31, teams that are not winning the cup in the next two years. and in case you were wondering, there are only 32 teams total in the league. not very good odds.

Do you think Nelson will come back here or leave in 2 years if Isles continues to struggle to make playoffs and get knocked out in 1st round? You may have to overpay him to stay. If you can get a huge return for him now including either a top-scoring winger to play with Barzal, some really solid future pieces like top-end prospects and '23 picks, or a smooth young puck-moving LD with some edge and able to handle the physical game, you go for it. If Nelly gets hurt or has a subpar season then you will not be able to make that move anymore. His contract and goal-scoring should get a lot of potential calls. Just keep him out of the Metro though. Of course, you do not move him, unless it is for a huge return.

 

[doublechili]

So stupid, we should have been in on Durzi for that price.



Hell no...Don't want Barrie and his contract. We need to shed salary

Barrie has 1 year left at slightly less than Bailey's cap hit. And Barrie would be 3rd pair RHD in place of Mayfield. So the idea is that they get a PMD for the 3rd pair in place of Mayfield and get rid of Bailey for "free" (not assuming a straight Bailey for Barrie deal though).