Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California
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Throttle
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Isles could do better for $9.125M for the next 8 years.
Envious of a train wreck? Maybe if they didn’t try to speed up their rebuild not too long ago bc fans/ownership got impatient, they would be just fine right now… they also whiffed mightly on a Top 3 pick. Oh well, start again, see the playoffs in 2027…
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Throttle
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All of AZ moves signal ownership wants to change the tone of the franchise and prep it for sale and/or relocation (or both). AZ will continue to add this offseason for this very reason. See you in SLC.
Osakahaus
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But Gary Bettman told me they're staying in Arizona, he wouldn't lie to me at all!
SRBisles
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There’s so much out there right now, hope the Isles get involved somehow but I won’t hold my breath
Osakahaus
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Let them be silent. This free agent class sucks. If the isles work as a barter for trades, thats fine.
YearlyLottery
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If Lou views Horvat and Barzal as both centers this would be the time to strike on Nelson getting dealt.
TeamKidd
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I'm just having a hard time understanding how a team who cant score goals would trade our best goal scorer on a good contract. obviously everyone can get traded, but it would have to be a great deal to even consider it.
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My general viewpoint as of now is as the team is currently constructed it is time to start moving on from certain pieces. If the Islanders are able to grab 2-3 prime pieces for Nelson that would play a large role in taking this team to the next level.
For a team that has some cap issues if you can all of a sudden trade Bailey and Nelson and get prime assets back (while also having the option to pivot from Pageau) they would be in a great spot cap wise.
This team would need to actually make their identity an elite defense again. The Islanders had a better offense on paper this year than any Trotz year. The main difference is the fact that this defense simply is no longer elite.
For the record I would also be open to trading Barzal instead of Nelson. I think in 2-3 years though they will look back and wish Nelson was the one who was traded.
SI
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Barzal is not getting traded and I think folks should move on from that.
I brought several different potentials since last season about Nelson - if Lou is going to trade him then he has to get this right.
A hockey trade for scoring W or PMDman - ones that have been pitched Nelson for Buchnevich or Toews.
A pure future package for Nelson with the idea that the $ on Nelson goes to a FA like - Barbashev, Tank, Bertuzzi.
Keep Nelson and revisit this conversation next off-season when he turns 33 and has 1 year left.
SI90
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I’d take Krug. Would solidify the left side.
Some speculation STL and/or Flyers could retain on him.
Some speculation STL and/or Flyers could retain on him.
seafoam
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SI
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The term is too long.
I’d be more inclined on a Bailey, Aho, and Johnston for Lauzon, Barrie, and depth minor leaguer - maybe Mayfield’s rights go the other way.
seafoam
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A genuine concern I have is that finding a Bailey trade will take all the might Lamoriello has and he won’t have enough left in the tank to improve the team.
If Bailey eventually gets traded and we just see Engvall, Mayfield, Varlamov, and Wahlstrom re-signed this is going to be a long three years…
If Bailey eventually gets traded and we just see Engvall, Mayfield, Varlamov, and Wahlstrom re-signed this is going to be a long three years…
SI90
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If first 2 years were good. Last year the entire team struggled. If he came at half his cap I’d take him in a heart beat
Glorydays22
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So stupid, we should have been in on Durzi for that price.
Hell no...Don't want Barrie and his contract. We need to shed salary
Throttle
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I think they’ll leave and will come back around again once the whole arena thing settles out, it’s a top 15 market and growing. The NHL will be there.
Throttle
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Just bc you don’t like the idea, doesn’t mean it should not be considered just like trading everyone else off the roster. Holding onto player that’s played 400+ games and underperforming for his to soon to be $9M+ is the wrong move.
Fans have over invested themselves in him. Jack Hughes gets paid $8M, Tkachuk makes $8.5M, etc. in the world of comparables, the ice skater is pretty far behind.
SI
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They just signed him to an extension - it’s not happening. Tkachuk and Hughes are different - Hughes got no bridge deal and Tkachuk at 8.5 in Fla is worth more than 9.15 in NYC.
Throttle
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Well, Barzal didn’t earn his bridge unless $17M or 7M cap hit the past two seasons is ‘worth it’ for 60 points…there’s lots of evidence to demonstrate he ain’t earning his extension either. Get out before it’s too late and that NTC kicks in. Gonna be 8 long years.
And I’m talking about actual play on the ice. Tkachuk can carry a team, Barzal can’t. Hughes can score and play with multiple players, Barzal can’t. When your teams highest paid player can’t do those things, you got problems.
Dallas’ two highest paid are old dudes that are offset (luckily for them) by younger talent. Dal is paying a 26yr old Hintz $8.45M for a backtoback 35G scorer. Florida wanted to acquire Tkachuk bc looking pretty obvious Barkov at $10M doesn’t have ‘it’ when it matters.
The Isles paid for future performance on his bridge and they got a whopping 60 point center that can’t take face offs and couldn’t score a goal in a near 20 games when the team opened up the offense. Now, what are the Isles paying for when other similar players in his own draft class are performing better and making less? Waiting on the Hull/Oates or Kariya/Selanne wing and a prayer?
Maybe a AZ, WPG, SJ will want a guy already signed long term and can sell the story, Isles can get a player(s), pick, and reallocate to better balance the roster.
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This is the difference between talking about trading Nelson from a personnel standpoint and talking about trading Nelson from an ideological one.
SI
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Your take is hot garbage - you don’t know hockey and your Barzal hate is boring and tired. Lou just signed him - he is part of this franchise’s future - move on.
I’m not engaging with you.
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IslesNorway
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Islanders aren't trading Nelson unless they are going full on rebuild/retool, but they are not. Nor are they acquiring Krug because of that godawful deal he is signed to. He is paid $8.5 for next season and the one after that, so please stop any idea of taking on that deal.
I'm 100% sure Lou is working hard on dealing Bailey and that he will get a deal of sorts done. It will be a bad deal for us, but I just hope to God he doesn't take that newfound cap space to spend on a 5 year extension for Mayfield and 3 years for Engvall. Knowing Lou, that is probably just what he will do and we are stuck in mud for the foreseeable future.
But for all of you hoping the Isles being active over the next week - don't hold your breath. They have little to nothing to work with and very few desirable players on good deals to tempt other teams with, and until the Bailey situation is sorted they can't do anything at all.
I'm 100% sure Lou is working hard on dealing Bailey and that he will get a deal of sorts done. It will be a bad deal for us, but I just hope to God he doesn't take that newfound cap space to spend on a 5 year extension for Mayfield and 3 years for Engvall. Knowing Lou, that is probably just what he will do and we are stuck in mud for the foreseeable future.
But for all of you hoping the Isles being active over the next week - don't hold your breath. They have little to nothing to work with and very few desirable players on good deals to tempt other teams with, and until the Bailey situation is sorted they can't do anything at all.
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