Palmieri hasn’t had a full season for us yet. But if you took his season’s pace and the way he played, this was the player I was hoping we’d traded for.
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I've been one of Palmieri's biggest critics and even I am willing to admit that he was one of the best forwards after he returned from his injury.
He's the type of guy I'd move in a hockey trade if I was the GM of the New York Islanders (which I'm not but should be), but he's not someone you're looking to dump right now.
He's the type of guy I'd move in a hockey trade if I was the GM of the New York Islanders (which I'm not but should be), but he's not someone you're looking to dump right now.
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Also it should be noted that Engvall is one of three 27 year old UFA forwards with 15+ goals and 30+ points (others are Barbashev and Bunting). Engvall will likely be the cheapest of the three to sign and posted his numbers averaging the least TOI per game of those three guys.
Also, Ryan Donato is an intriguing name out there for me. 14 goals and 13 assists in 71 games playing ~11 minutes a night on the Kraken's fourth line. He's, again, one of the younger UFAs and can play both center and wing.
Also, Ryan Donato is an intriguing name out there for me. 14 goals and 13 assists in 71 games playing ~11 minutes a night on the Kraken's fourth line. He's, again, one of the younger UFAs and can play both center and wing.
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For sure, and he carried it over into the playoffs.
I'm more concerned about Pageau's production and the entire fourth line. It would be very tempting to trade Cizikas and sign someone like Donato to re-invigorate the fourth line.
Parise-Pageau-Holmstrom/Walhstrom
Durandeau-Donato-Clutterbuck/Fasching
Martin as an extra replacing Johnston as the de facto punching bag, Fasching becomes full time 4RW once Clutterbuck gets his eventual injury.
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Agree. He performed well in the playoffs but is trending downwards in general, as most players do once get into their 30s. As pointed out by someone above, the Isles have too many $5 million players who underperform and Palms is one of those. In addition to Bailey, at least one of them has to go, so if there is a taker I'd go for it.
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I honestly don’t get the love for Palmieri. I agree completely with your post.
He’s been given plenty of minutes to play on the top 2 lines and has been mediocre at best during the regular season. I might add that although he hasn’t recently been paired with Barzal, he didn’t exactly gel with him in the past. Maybe someone else with a bit of talent at that price tag might unlock #13’s potential?
Over his career, he’s produced at a 0.5 PPG clip in the playoffs. Pretty good and even a little better in a very small sample size with the Isles.
You know who’s performed better in their career? Our old whipping boy Beau at a 0.6 PPG clip over 3 playoff seasons with the Isles.
I’m not advocating to give him away but this is an aging player that should be moved for the right price considering we’re not a win now team.
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"That’s been par for the course under Lou Lamoriello though. Even with those playoff runs to the conference finals in 2020 and 2021, a lot of that has been due to the strong systems coached by Barry Trotz, and in spite of the players Lamoriello has brought in. They aren’t bad by any means, but their lineup has a lot of average pieces at best, and in an era where you either need talent or strategy, Lamoriello’s recent moves have left them without either.
If Lou continues to be at the helm, they’re destined for mediocrity and even if he leaves in the next season or two, the next GM has a massive cap hole to get out of before this team becomes a true contender again. If teams like the Bruins and Jets decide to blow it up, they at least have an easy path to that and some solid pieces to move and establish a strong prospect pool, but the Islanders won’t find too many of those in their system. They dealt their best forward prospect, Aatu Raty, in the Horvat trade. Maybe they make the playoffs again next season, but that will rest solely on Sorokin, and a goalie can only carry a team so far on his own."
"That’s been par for the course under Lou Lamoriello though. Even with those playoff runs to the conference finals in 2020 and 2021, a lot of that has been due to the strong systems coached by Barry Trotz, and in spite of the players Lamoriello has brought in. They aren’t bad by any means, but their lineup has a lot of average pieces at best, and in an era where you either need talent or strategy, Lamoriello’s recent moves have left them without either.
If Lou continues to be at the helm, they’re destined for mediocrity and even if he leaves in the next season or two, the next GM has a massive cap hole to get out of before this team becomes a true contender again. If teams like the Bruins and Jets decide to blow it up, they at least have an easy path to that and some solid pieces to move and establish a strong prospect pool, but the Islanders won’t find too many of those in their system. They dealt their best forward prospect, Aatu Raty, in the Horvat trade. Maybe they make the playoffs again next season, but that will rest solely on Sorokin, and a goalie can only carry a team so far on his own."
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The WPG Jets who have had zero success in their franchise history are in a good position? Their best prospect Raty who these same pundits didn't even include on any top 100 lists before he got dealt to the Canucks? The Islanders just made the playoffs without their best forward and best defenseman for about half the season.
They absolutely need to make moves but the team just made the playoffs for the fourth time in Lou's first five seasons with a coach other than Barry Trotz.
Again, they need moves but Bo Horvat just shot at a career low 8.1% shooting percentage. Let's break it down:
Horvat has a career 14% shooting percentage. The last time he shot below his career percentage was four years ago. Assuming he can shoot back to his career average the Islanders added a 32 goal scorer.
Let's say he shoots at his average the last three years. I will just average the three seasons together instead of adding up the actual totals. This math actually makes Horvat out to score LESS goals. His average is roughly 15.7% the last three years. This would equate to over 20 goals if he takes 200 shots this next season. 200 shots would mean he misses some time as well.
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You’re not wrong.
Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.
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Touting this as an accomplishment is quite underwhelming for me. Half the league makes the playoffs. We were 1 of 16 and had an early exit. Yay us!
We’ve recovered from from Wang and Snow. We have competent owners. The coaching situation you mentioned was of Lou’s own doing, totally unnecessary, and nobody will convince me otherwise, yet I feel like the Isles trajectory has plateaued and is going in the wrong direction. Lou should no longer be GM. I don’t want him in on player personnel decisions anymore. His idea of what this team should be and the route he’s taking us there on has stagnated.
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Too much of this fanbase takes just making the playoffs as a successful season. Right now we’re essentially just the mid 2010’s Minnesota Wild…the loser mentality needs to stop.
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The Real JT
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I’ll add to that a little Monday morning QBing.
Lou made the wrong moves at the TDL. The Horvat deal looks like a big loser right out of the gate. It’s early for sure but so far, so bad. That’s not just because of the player, cap hit and assets dealt but also the opportunity costs of other deals that could’ve been and will never be.
Did I mention not flipping Mayfield and Varly at the TDL for pieces that for a start would’ve allowed us to trade Bailey and free up cap space for other deals? Even if you don’t believe in the value of draft picks as many here have stated, they’re still necessary to acquire talent from outside the organization in potential offseason deals
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Again I am completely fine moving on from Lou. That being said it is not some magic pill like many make it out to be. The coaching situation I think is absolutely fine. Trotz obviously was not wanting to coach. Are you really going to sit here and argue that point?
I have said countless times that the team needs more skating ability on the front and back end of this team. I think Lou will do that this offseason. If he doesn't that would be a major problem.
Without a statement from anyone other than a pink slip from Lou, are you?
I'm simply identifying players currently under contract who still have some sort of upside. Pageau is underperforming. I've said as much. I'm not sure that Cizikas, at 33 years old and 13 years in the NHL is underperforming anymore. I think this is what he is now. As far as Pageau vs Cizikas in a 4C role I am sure JGP is the better option today. Since you identified them both as contracts you'd like to move, and moving both of them out this summer is unlikely, if one has to start the season on the Island it should be Pageau. There's a better chance of getting 15-30-45 out of him than there is getting half that much out of Cizikas. And since I think we can move Cizikas out easily without anything attached I feel he should be the one to go before Pageau. That's all this is. No sentimentality here.
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There is that interview with The Athletic where Trotz said he was handling family matters during the first half of the season and that he wrapped it all up so he can get back into the league again.
I know you don't believe Lamoriello did Trotz a solid, but there is some evidence that there was more to Trotz's struggles last season than we were originally told. We won't know if that was part of why he was let go or not but it isn't unreasonable to think it played a factor at the very least, directly or indirectly.
It was common knowledge that Trotz was moving his 79 year old father to Nashville where Trotz’s daughter lives. If I’m also not mistaken, there was an interview or a sound bite out there where Trotz said he expected to be coaching the Islanders this season and he was ready to so. All we have from Lou is needing a new voice in the room. I take Lou at face value. He has a track record of making some “curious” coaching hirings/firings.
You are mistaken. Trotz wasnt ready/able to coach this season, which is why he didn’t take a head coaching job. He was offered many.
Trotz was offered 2 jobs. Winnipeg, which was no longer a match for him since moving his father OUT OF Winnipeg, and Philadelphia, which is a shitshow and a coach-killer job. Trotz announced his decision to not take another coaching job at about this point.
Trotz was not ready to coach the islanders or any other team.
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If you do not think Trotz had his choice of essentially wherever he wanted to go I do not know what to tell you.
This may be true, and probably is. However, knowing now that Trotz wanted to become a GM, I think something else was up. I truly believe that the succession plan was for Trotz to become the GM and for Lou to move to a President role. However, I believe that Lou made it clear that he was not planning on leaving as GM. It's reckless speculation on my part. However, I do believe it to be true.
I guess we'll never know.
Tell me you’ll stop trying to justify things that weren’t in evidence. He was offered 2 jobs, did not take them, then announced he wasn’t interested in coaching this season.
This seems more plausible than anything else floated around here.
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I think that's reasonable, and probably at least part of it.
Everyone is speculating because we've been given very little information. I'm not going to point fingers and accuse anyone of being an idiot for having a different take on the matter.
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